Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi
You should show this thread to you Polish friends tannipartner.I did, they requested me not to judge them by one rotten apple.Quite an aggressive personality you are.Ever heard "Survival of the fittest"?Darwin propounded the theory.In a world where a random person comes of judging an entire country full of people, from her one cursory visit and probably around two years of association with the country, and passes judgemental, rude remarks an dictates them their culture, what do you expect? I told you long time before, you get what you deserve. If you want soft approach, you do same. after 8 pages of racist , condescending and deluded remark, you expect people to take all that?I doubt people I meet online more and more.you trust people you meet online?I doubt you having anything to do with Europe.As you yourself said above, you doubt people you meet online. So self explanatory. I am in no mood to convince you.Anyways, it is clear enough for me who was aggressive here,Read yourself, who started the thread. Big words for someone who start judging a country of 1.2 billion people based on one visit extended to one family only.You can never get away saying things about missionaries to a Catholic and get away with it. You said it, you had to listen.You too can never get away saying you know what is better for me. If you dare lecture me about my conscience about missionaries, you will listen to every word I say about them. You dare tell me to have an open mind, then i will open yours as well. Don't like it?"Do to no one what you yourself dislike."As I move away from topic already so I will not continue with it. This is responding to your restlessness.Yeah right, read your opening post. What is your topic? India and Gandhisim?India is a land of elephants and monkey and tajmahal,?Indian women have no respect ? YuHu look, I went to India once, I met a family there and see now I am a living expert on Indology.MaxMller spent his entire life researching the vedas and Upanishads and yet never claimed he knows about India. and he had much more reason to be highhanded and condescending.You ou seem to have much knowledge on Europeans?European History or world history for that matter, is not your personal property. You can speak for Poland and Polish if you wish. Don't try to lump Europe as your zone. Other europeans might not like it. And enough knowledgable people exist who despite not being born to a country or culture have much knowledge about the history of a country and culture. Even Indologists, from USA and Europe, who might know more about India than me. But their visit is not limited to one, neither their study of people to one family of relatives.Good for you. Thank You so much for telling that. Finally My life got its purpose served.You should feel blessed to be on our lands (if you actually do).Maybe if I was in your land, but sadly I am not on your land You can keep your land to yourself.Be thankful that it gives you opportunity and good life.Honey I created my life and my oppportunities.. If anyone I should thank It would be me and my God. There are enough lazy, jobless people living on unemployment benefit here whose life doesnt seem to be good despite living here.Christianity and Europe are never apart, and will never be. Remember it too.Really? Where does Turkey belong to then?When you mean Christians who do you speak for? Catholic, Protestants? Lutheran? Evangelical, Greek Orthodox? Church of England won't find it amusing that you are speaking for them.
You seriously need medication.You cannot tolerate and must lash out, it gives me nothing but pity.and it is merely sign of helplessness.I will qoute you here, since thats the only way you can write something without making an utter fool of yourself.If you love your country so much, you should leave for India surely too π. Why dont you take next flight and leave?Why don't you first make up your mind about me.. If I am not in Europe,surely I cannot leave , can I?And If I am, again, your land is safe from my vile presence.Don't get so worked up.There was one more person here talking many things about Russians, but she seem living safe as a single woman in Russia, which is impossible in India!Oh My! How did u know it is impossibleπ²? Is it when you tried to take a walk alone with your relatives in your husband's village on your only visit ? How far did you walk? from the front door till the back door?I must call my Grandmother and tell her how her whole life is an illusion because she does not live in India at all.
- Higher Education check
- work: check
- respect: check
- Single woman living alone : Check
Thats a whole lot of check there.Still, ofcourse, you know best about Europe and India and we Europeans are not relevant in our own continent and history or culture? Sure.Speak for yourself. Europe is not Poland you know. I may know nothin about Poland and Polish people, I know a lot more about Europe and its culture. For sure. Don't lump yourself on the back of others .I offcourse know better about India than you, and so are all the posters who tried to have meaningful conversation with you. But your refusal to open up to try and listen to others drove them away.But you see I am aggressive and restless , so you have to tolerate me. As long as you will reply to me, you will get one back. Not my problem if it is not palatable to you. You started dishing dirt out.
Religious tolerance? My own husband is a Hindu, I dont try to convert him. If he wishes he may. My son will see both worlds and decide. I will only give him all love and a good family.Seriously woman, stop bringing your husband and your son in every damn post. This is not my family your family talk. Give logic and prove a point.Good that you are tolerant. You gave us the wrong impression. So many people cannot be wrong. So there is something wrong with you.Sure he will come many times to India, already we will travel. Many of his relatives look forward to him and keep calling. I am sure he will see the worlds clearly.Come back and talk to us about India when you have done atleast 10 trips 3 months each. till then .. you will still be the ignorant high handed racist.
I hope you get to hear this more times.If you have the gut to show this thread or your behavior in similar manner to other Poles or Europeans, I hope they just ask you "maybe its time for you to leave dear π".Refer to top for their answer when i showed them.hey Madam can you name maybe some 2-3 countries other than Poland? Poland is just 312,679 square kilometres of Europe. And as i already told you, you are safe from my vile presence there. Why don't you let Europe decide for itself? You have a habit of speaking for others. If whatever you say about Europe is true, I doubt they let you to be their Ambassador to world council.Maybe its time for you to leave India-forums dear.
For some reason, it is the Indian woman who is so much aggressive, not the men.Yeah Tigresses are known to be more ferocious than tigers. Your point being?How many men and women have you seen? By your own admission, multiple times, there seems to be only what 4 indian men and one woman you have seen in Poland.And as in India, women don't have respect there, how do they get the chance to be aggressive?Decide first what to say. right now all your statements are contradictory and self destructing.But I wish it be healed someday, hope in the name of Christ the Son of God.Dream on baby.Never I was involved in such an argument. Infact I am never in arguments πOffcourse, since everyone knows you cannot argue, you just say whatever you want to, without any rhyme or reason.They take pity on you.π
πWHAT A CONTROVERSY I OPENED π!Then you have to face the music.It is your Father of Nation not MINE!Then stop worrying about him so much. he stays fine where he is, on our currency note.
THANK GOD I NEVER DISCUSS GANDHI WITH MY IN LAWS! πoffcourse, you yourself said, in India, women are not respected. how can they have a conversation with you?
Originally posted by: King-Anu
@ RTH. Thanks. I do not agree with your points related to partition. I believe leaders represent the will of the people and those elections were fairly recent (1946 I believe). They might not have been perfect but then nothing is. There are always some who object. Still lets agree to disagree as there is no other objective way to come to a conclusion today.
1946 is not recent. Had it been 1996, I'd agree.
If you wish to accept factual inaccuracies as truths, then that is your prerogative. If what you state is your "opinion" . I won't deny you your right to it.
I stand by most of my comments about partition as factually representative (there were some opinions). If anyone has a problem with my claim facts, then I'm up open for debate and willing to post references as well.
Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi
I have answered each.No you haven't. Why don't you start with your comments on the friendship of Gandhi and Mussolini and move on to more serious stuff, like why you think death of your family members are infinitely more important than death of mine? Is it coz you are applying 1β¬= Rs 66 rule and determining only when 66 members of my family does will you consider equal to one?But then when people dont see, not much can be done.Exactly. even when you force then in front of mirror and ask them to take a look at themselves.Christ gave answer to all the question by the Jewish priests, but they said He did not. It means nothing.Oh you poor soul. to qoute you:If you wish you can see through the answers.Not if they are written in invisible ink.If you wish more, in write each question once more in numeric order, each question being 10 words π. Without attack.Atleast 5 members wrote the questions, you chose to bypass them and preach sermon.
By the way, Gandhi is my favorite national leader in the world.Reiterating, I admire and respect that. Keep it to yourself. We will decide for ourselves.I cannot understand so much aggression.Possible because you never imagined you can get back some. We are unenlightened folks. we believe Karma is a biyatch. May be you are getting back what you dished out?By the way, I dont think tannipartner or those who feel same are interested to see any other answer.Yeah speak for yourself, I did not appoint you my spokesperson. I can speak. thank you.They have decided on their perspective and they will never change it.OMG! We are long lost twins. We seem to do the same thing. Don't you think? Although i did it 5 pages less than you.πMuch like many aggressive groups in the world, nothing can show them the light.I can name one such group!! But nah, we uncouth Indians do not believe in hurting other people's sentiments never mind if they do it over and over again.
I am a true Catholic and I will always ask everyone to see light π.What is the color of the light btw? and in which spectrum does it lie? Visible? Infrared? UV?πTannipartner must also work on her attitude.Thanks, you just saved me a seminar course. Much obliged.Although I feel she is not aware of it π€’Now I am. Now I know I should stop taking bullshit right from the beginning and speak to people in the language they understand.I have seen similar lady though, an Indian in a get together in Poland. She later left to India.Now that you have done the very unchristian thing of cursing me indirectly, can i return the favour? You are the civilized one, you tell.I wish well for the women of IndiaThey appreciate it. Who doesn't want good wishes for free?and self esteem. whose? yours? Yes, I wish you too.
(not talking about all Indian women, many surely have lot of courage. Just saw some very aggressive, maybe as they are less in Poland and close down.How many did you meet? I just counted one. I sure have a lot of courage, going up against a mighty white european as you. Don't bother. I will pat myself on my back.πRecently very motivated to read about Malala of Pakistan!Good luck. She is an inspiration.)
Originally posted by: King-Anu
@ Tannipartner. I do not know what was in your heart. You wrote something and in my judgement I did not see it as a figure of speech. Therefore I responded accordingly. Now you are telling me that you did not mean that. Fine. I am someone who by nature trust people. Therefore I am putting aside my earlier reply. I take back my words and would like to apologize for that comment. Your action was not a wild one. lol.
Originally posted by: tannipartner
I am not sure how to interpret your apology. You don't seem to mean it. By adding the lol it seems you are doing me a favour. You are writing it as a jest to placate someone just because other members told you, and not because you regret attacking someone. I am sorry, I just don't see it as sincere effort from your side. Thank you for your statement though. We had an enjoyable debate. But I am still having some bitter taste.
The red highlight is an illustration of my issue with the 'lol'.
This is not exactly a jovial discussion. I'd assume (and hope) it is an attempt to clear misunderstandings. In such situations a 'lol' is considered inappropriate until the air is clear. Especially placed after that statement, it appears to emphasize sarcasm or mocking. If one raises objection, he will state he is only being humorous.
I'm honestly not sure if King Anu intentionally does these things or if he really does not understand the netiquette use of lol.
Sorry Souro! I was just trying to clarify what I meant by picking on the 'lol'. I hope King Anu grasps what I'm trying to say.
I'll get back to the debate. Gandhi or partition? Choices! Choices! Choices! I could respond to Polki_zofi more. But where is she? Looks like we are tearing her apart here. *
*intentional tongue in cheek statement.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
The red highlight is an illustration of my issue with the 'lol'.
This is not exactly a jovial discussion. I'd assume (and hope) it is an attempt to clear misunderstandings. In such situations a 'lol' is considered inappropriate until the air is clear. Especially placed after that statement, it appears to emphasize sarcasm or mocking. If one raises objection, he will state he is only being humorous.
I don't know what is in his heart but in my judgement it looks mocking to me. let me see, what he says. I have an equally trusting nature though.π
I'll get back to the debate. Gandhi or partition? Choices! Choices! Choices! I could respond to Polki_zofi more. But where is she? Looks like we are tearing her apart here. *
*intentional tongue in cheek statement.
your choices choices sound like decision decisions made by that girl in the creepy vampire movie part3.πplease read the article she posted, its by salman rushie. All her questions are answered there itself.
Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi
I am a Catholic. I cannot believe what you said of missionaries. Maybe they were sailors of conquerors, but then you dont know missionaries well. Evangelical? It is not my faith.
Its your faith, you will not see anything negative about it. And that is how it is. I admire your faith and your respect for your beliefs.πBut we too have our faith and beliefs.. So when you come down saying craps like India exist coz of missionaries and all, its natural we will take offense. And since we are debating, we will put out factual information that might be a rude shock to you. But you chose to go down this lane.We did not start the disrespect fest.
Labeling white as racist is all too easy anyway. You look at your words before calling someone racist too.racist can be of any color. R you white? good for you,apply sunscreen when you visit India.. Does not change that you behaved like a racist here.I think racist behavior and hitler glorification cannot be seen anywhere so much but here. As this is true, everything else is self explanatory.its such a mad place. How can it be tolerated?Then take a deep breath, and then READ the posts first.take a look at what racist means, and then compare your lines. See for yourself who is the racistGo back and read, when you claim whatever India is now because of europe, when you claim India has not done any contribution, when you claim India's parition was a choice and the death of people are not important, when you without any knowledge claim a freedom fighter of India to be militia man, you act like a racist.And speaking facts out does not mean anyone is supporting anyone. HITLER caused WW2, he was the reason British empire was weakened, its a fact. India did not get freedom for Gandhi alone. Bose is a revered freedom fighter with contributions to India's freedom struggle , these are facts. You don't need to go far, open wikipidea and you will know.That is not hitler GLORIFICATION. We all know what a monster he is, you don't need to tell us. We are educated people.And if you do not understand why he is mentioned in context of India's independance: Go back and educate yourself. Don't embarass yourself like this.You know what is glorification: When you claim this. Also when you seem to say whatever you say is gospel truth.You see what you want to see as true. Your trouble tocomprehend and interpret facts and opinion is not my problem.
Oh you think calling a debater as outsider and thinking your knowledge about Europe and western world is more than us is good behavior?Yes, when the debater does everything else than debate. When debater purposefully baits members and refuses to listen to fact. When debater comes with pre conceived notion to berate and belittle a bunch of people.As I already pointed out,you don't need to live somewhere to have knowledge.Good behaviour is to accept someone can know more than you. Which everyone other than you are displaying.
If you have so much pride why then come to our lands for better life and education?So good if your country then go back! Live in it. No need to be in Europe.Speak for yourself and your Poland if you wish to.You want people to go back, call all those european dancers who work as background dancers in bw. What are they doing in India leaving the better life and education?Its a free world, anyone will go anywhere to study and work anywhere in world. Indians to america or eurpeans to India. That is why embassies and consulates exist. Else we could just coup up in our own coccoon.people living in europe and your land are not living at your charity.Unis at "your" land earn bucketload of money for these students."Your" land earns in terms of taxes and business coz these people come and work there.Many members here are europeans and americans of Indian origin. they are as much on their own land as you are.So many of you and you dont integrate.You don't need to sell your ass to integrate as you seem to think. Is there anyone you know who integrated by selling themselves off?People can have respect for both the country of origin and country of residence. the concept seems foreign to you. Possible. It originated in India.No wonder why conservatives and anti immigration parties are rising in Europe. There is a reason.there are many reasons for that. Don't talk politics, Some people know way more than you wished for. Don't bite more than you can chew once. If you want to debate european politics, feel free to open another topic. We would be happy to oblige you.Some of the immigrants are good, but those with such aggressive brains make them look bad too. I will not lump them all with you, but your activity does it for them.Some of the civilions are good, some are bad. So? There are enough aimless right wingers who kill harmless turkish immigrants just for fun.Good and bad exists everywhere.Really atlast you feel you should not lump? after latching on to mightier and bigger european brothers all this while?Good for you, your mind is opening.
Going from this forum as it is racist and very mad.naturally, people always think others to be alike.I search and found so many hitler glorification and it appalls me! I didnt know!I also didn't know people expect Indians to dance around trees and be exotic to suit their fancy. But you give some, you get some.No wonder hardly any white here,but you all can come in polishforums.com as usual I see and ask for immigration advice or job. We help... free.Why don't you keep to polish forums then? We don't want to cause you any unwanted trouble. In case you didn't know, there are enough India forums too that offer such informations for free.Christ is the savior, the Son of God, the savior of the world.No one is denying it.Poland survives for Him,Are you also speaking for the polish jews and muslims as well?USA survives for Him, India too.What is wrong in this word? How it makes me racist?Because you insist on your supremacy for your belief, your country of origin and your skin color.Christ belong to India as much as any country.Yes. But we will embrace him, when we want to. kindly stop advising us.Why other races are so quick to label white people as racist?Speak for yourself. we have every reason to label you as one. Your skin color has nothing to do with it. You can get a tan for all I care. Ain't gonna change anything.No knowledge is complete, but hope and belief is.That applies to you too.
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