Reply - Know Gandhi, then talk...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I could have replied to this post in that topic itself but i really hope that all members need to know some other facts about Gandhi...that's why i opened a new topic...No offense to anyone but this post is for the greatest man who fought for India and Africa...

That's it...The topic maker had asked the question why all think about Gandhi as a leader or Great Man and the topic maker had herself answered it.

Gandhi, never said in any interviews nor in any books its written by him, that he was a great person..He had never himself publicized himself as a great personality nor asked anyone to think like that about him.
Yes but in his autobiography he had agreed his mistakes and said he had learned from the mistakes..There lies his greatness.Courage is not in doing mistakes and not accepting them but in accepting them and say that i have done..and he had done so...
He was a freedom-fighter in such young age in Africa where he was practicing as a lawyer...there were millions of others but only he, a small man, got the courage in standing up to all the misdeeds that happened to people in Africa? Why? Like others he could have thought about himself, his life, his family, his sons...but no..,he thought..about millions of people who suffered...and they were not his own..nor were they Indians...but he did..and he fought...

He lived his entire life in only one dress...How many of us could do that? He lived more than 20years without salt...Imagine..20years...he could have stayed in London all the time or in some other place...but why did he come back? Why did he come back to India? has anyone told him if he fought, Indians will make him father of Nation..? Had he known astrology or has he got a future vision where he got a father of nation title by Indians...

In his autobiography, where you are pointing out his flaws, haven't you read the part where he give away all his dresses to a woman who was sitting in a bank of a river...?

He had agreed and had accepted that he had done mistakes..sin(he says) but ask those people who suffered in freedom struggle, ask them about Gandhi, they will tell you who he was and about his greatness...

Do not point your finger at anyone before thinking and thoroughly knowing about one person.--- This is one lesson we all read and know and IF has got a COC where we have to respect each others opinions..but i have to disagree with the topic maker as feelings are not personal here but had wounded the Nation as a whole...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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👏 👏 👏 - Agree to you. These days when the definition of heroes have changed so much people truly have forgotten what the real heroes have done in their lives. It disheartens me when people have nothing better to do then just find error in their lives.

This response should not however target or name a person on this forum since being a free forum she is free to voice out her opinion as well.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: BHAVI1972

👏 👏 👏 - Agree to you. These days when the definition of heroes have changed so much people truly have forgotten what the real heroes have done in their lives. It disheartens me when people have nothing better to do then just find error in their lives.


This response should not however target or name a person on this forum since being a free forum she is free to voice out her opinion as well.


yes...I am sorry but i just replied and posted at that spur of moment when i saw the post...Thanks for reply though and am happy that i got a reply and that too supporting Gandhi...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Goodness!! To think I might've missed out on this topic, if I had relied simply on my own posts. I've been logged in for a while now and didn't come to the board till now, just kept refreshing the "My Posts" page to see if there were any interesting posts to reply to.

I would've been delighted if you had replied to my post in the same thread itself. Yes, I've admitted that I'm prejudiced against Gandhi, but by no means am I blind to his achievements and his personal triumphs. Nor am I averse to being corrected. You really must read that thread in its entirety. But perhaps I could point you out to specific posts which might help you exonerate me from the charge of demeaning the great man.


Please look at my posts on

Page 3 - my reply to KITFan
Page 4 - Post no 3 on the page, my first post on that page
Page 5 my reply to smrth, would like to draw your attention to the last para on that post.
Page 6, both in reply to smrth and Naina

Finally, In my defense - I'm NOT denigrating Gandhi at all, nor am I belittling his contribution to the Struggle. But Gandhi as a freedom fighter is not under discussion here. It is not even relevant to the show and the episode in question. What is relevant is Gandhi-Kasturba personal relationship. Do please enlighten us about the same, if you can.

My only point is that where he's upheld as a role-model for men guilty of DV, it is a wrong reference, because Gandhi himself was guilty of it. That he recognized it as such and wept copious tears, and called it a Sin does not take away from the impact of his actions.

By the way feeling guilty, asking for pardon, debasing themselves at the feet of the women they abuse and repeating the pattern all over again is a typical behavior pattern of all abusers, specially the ones who go for DV.


Once again, I'm completely open to all healthy debate and discussion, within the confines of relevance to the show (limitation, else the discussion would be never-ending). I am absolutely open to admitting I'm wrong, if there are references showing my mistake. I can't be more open-minded than that can I?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Request, can we get this thread merged with the original if you don't mind? There are a lot of people who are coming to that thread, either because they've posted there or have it on their watchlists, and they might miss out on the discussion here and your points about Gandhi, simply because this is a separate thread. I understand you wanted this to be a separate topic, but please do consider my request in the interest of a healthy debate.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I should think after 60 odd years the country would've matured to the point that we could discuss Gandhi the man, without having the freedom struggle thrown in our face at every twist and turn. Let's leave the propaganda to the government machinery, they do a pretty good job of it and better than we can.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi

Request, can we get this thread merged with the original if you don't mind? There are a lot of people who are coming to that thread, either because they've posted there or have it on their watchlists, and they might miss out on the discussion here and your points about Gandhi, simply because this is a separate thread. I understand you wanted this to be a separate topic, but please do consider my request in the interest of a healthy debate.


yes..but i do not know how to merge threads? Do you? i think i have to PM Nadii for that...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi

Goodness!! To think I might've missed out on this topic, if I had relied simply on my own posts. I've been logged in for a while now and didn't come to the board till now, just kept refreshing the "My Posts" page to see if there were any interesting posts to reply to.

I would've been delighted if you had replied to my post in the same thread itself. Yes, I've admitted that I'm prejudiced against Gandhi, but by no means am I blind to his achievements and his personal triumphs. Nor am I averse to being corrected. You really must read that thread in its entirety. But perhaps I could point you out to specific posts which might help you exonerate me from the charge of demeaning the great man.


Please look at my posts on

Page 3 - my reply to KITFan
Page 4 - Post no 3 on the page, my first post on that page
Page 5 my reply to smrth, would like to draw your attention to the last para on that post.
Page 6, both in reply to smrth and Naina

Finally, In my defense - I'm NOT denigrating Gandhi at all, nor am I belittling his contribution to the Struggle. But Gandhi as a freedom fighter is not under discussion here. It is not even relevant to the show and the episode in question. What is relevant is Gandhi-Kasturba personal relationship. Do please enlighten us about the same, if you can.

My only point is that where he's upheld as a role-model for men guilty of DV, it is a wrong reference, because Gandhi himself was guilty of it. That he recognized it as such and wept copious tears, and called it a Sin does not take away from the impact of his actions.

By the way feeling guilty, asking for pardon, debasing themselves at the feet of the women they abuse and repeating the pattern all over again is a typical behavior pattern of all abusers, specially the ones who go for DV.


Once again, I'm completely open to all healthy debate and discussion, within the confines of relevance to the show (limitation, else the discussion would be never-ending). I am absolutely open to admitting I'm wrong, if there are references showing my mistake. I can't be more open-minded than that can I?



smrth has written everything about Gandhi...I should have written this post there rather than opening a new topic but i thought, my views will be blocked or over-shadowed by the other bigger posts...
I agree with what you said in @red that i didn't understand at first...
But if we are to ignore his freedom-struggle and simply look at him as a man, then at that young age, he got married and he was doing every misdeed to kasthurba but he had regretted it...He got the courage to write about it and say to world that he had done and he regretted them...
I am not saying this will cover his mistakes ...NO...it will not...
But let's look in other way around...How many freedom-fighters life history do we know? How many of them have mentioned their family life?
Only Gandhi mentioned...Even today, we all do not want someone to point out our flaws or mistakes..but Gandhi at that age, admitted his mistakes and there lies his greatness...

Can i get a link to kasthurba's auto-biography? i haven't seen it nor read it...

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