Jhanvi/Sia's psychology

saw this amazing post by Since Maan (sorry dont know your name) in another topic and felt the need to highlight it here

Originally posted by: _SiinnceMaan_

Good morning fellow members of humanity = )


Just my two cents (that may not even be worth a dime), but let's get into the Psychology of Sia/Jhanvi's behaviour towards Viraj. Humans, weird little odd creatures that we are, can either obtain a positive or negative response in consequence to an act or behaviour. Jhanvi suffered from extreme, inhumane domestic violence. Now, this occurrence could either compel her to respond in two different ways.

1. Run the hell away, and hate on all forms of violence, violent traits, and men in general.
   

OR

2. Unconsciously, get attracted/pulled towards men who evoke or portray similar traits of
violence, possessiveness, and the obsessive need for control. This is the detrimental
effects of Psychology for you!


Now before the Jhansi ki rani's jump on me with their historical sword, swinging it at my direction, let me assure you that the second point is by no means claiming that Raghav is blah blah blah psycho. All I am saying is that, if you look at this in a psychological perspective, Jhanvi is an individual whom has followed the second path as opposed to the first. THIS, ladies and gentlemen is not her fault due to every person responds differently. She has associated aggressiveness, violence and possession as a form of portraying extreme love due to the 'so-called' affection Viraj used to rain upon her.

For her to feel sympathy, makes no sense to us humans but when analyzing her behaviour, it is palpable that the domestic violence has literally taken a root into her mind. Have you guys ever wondered why some women endure the violence? Why do they not get a sword and chop the bas***ds head off? Why do they go back to their former abusive partner? Why do they move on with an even more violent partner? WHY?

Because they are accustomed to the violence. Their mind has accepted it as part of a norm and hence instead of running over the London Bridge and hiding in a cave, they return back to hell and feel sympathy for the psychopath. Mind you, I am not pointing out the helpless women who are forced to stay due to their society, culture or children - but the ones who are free to take the next plane to Antarctica and staying the hell away from the creep!


In conclusion to my rants, I have split ends! = I need a hair cut damn it! Oh and did anyone notice that KB is looking sexier? Hmm maybe I should knock a few heads and get them all amnesic to see if that is the reason why the leads tend to look more ruffled and stubbled and nicer when losing their memory! 🤣🤣

P.S. Stubbled is not a word. I am aware. But I wonder ... is nicer a word? Sounds weird.

So as this poster has pointed out what many of us have been saying from the start of the Raghav track...WHY is Jhanvi so scared, why is Jhanvi not willing to take a stand against Viraj...why does she get tongue tied whenever he is around...yes she has been tortured abused and hurt but why replay all of that again...why havent the CV's show something from her side, an ACTUAL effort to help her move in the right direction.


I agree with you Since Maan, since I'm a prospective psych student myself Raghav-Viraj-Jhanvi as characters should fascinate me but they dont (personal reasons dont want to dive into) but I just wanted to say that I've been watching the show since the day Raghav entered, so for Raghav's character I kinda have a diagnosis sort of formed of how he is and what he is capable of and what not. I do agree that he does have mild violence streaks but atleast he KNOWS his limit he cannot hurt women, he cannot hurt people in pain, he stands up for people who are weak and gives them the courage to fight...Viraj even though I havent watched the show from the beginning nor do I intend to, still we get an idea of how he is and dont want to dive into that either. But the main question is WHERE is Jhanvi's perspective? Why are we not shown her perspective of what she is going through, her insecurities, her fear is only shown in a minimal light...we see flashbacks...but we dont see her ...this show set out to take a stand against domestic violence right...so where the hell is the message behind it all??

I say this not as a Raghav fan but just as a girl in general watching the show...someone pointed this out in a FB group that it is sickening to see the creatives dive into ship teasing in order to keep the fans happy rather than focusing on the real problem...which is Jhanvi's approach to get away from the evil that is Viraj Dobriyal.


Anyways I think I just rambled on without making a point😕...PLEASE for God's sake keep ship wars out of this topic😊

This is a really good topic. Thanks for bringing up that other post as well. Very interesting read.

That being said, psychology is funky in the way it works, and I obviously don't have an answer. But what I do want to say would be that the CVs have such serious potential to explore psychological states with this show, whether it be through Viraj's OCPD, Jahnvi's (seemingly) constant pull towards Viraj *Used incorrect terminology, but I'm sure you all get what I'm saying*, or even Raghav's emotions, specifically that feeling of guilt, that his mother keeps poking and prodding at, and how it's influencing his current actions, how he deals with the world today.

This show has so much potential.

And I definitely do think that they'll go even further into the Viraj/Raghav tracks because they've developed the characters to that level of complexity. Jahnvi on the other hand, I don't feel was ever completely developed. I feel like another part of us understanding her reactions would be in understanding who she is as a person, which we've never really seen in this show, not in the beginning, and not later either. I wish the CVs had introduced the show with Jahnvi, so we all understand who/what her character is, before introducing the Viraj/torture/etc. Maybe having that further insight *might* have helped us understand her behaviors a little better, where she's coming from.

Beyond all of that, I like the questions you raised about why we don't see Jahnvi's development as a character, how she's progressing. One idea that came to mind was that maybe the CVs do intend to show Jahnvi going into regressive mode, heading back to Viraj, and then kind of final fighting and escaping as she kind of reevaluates the Jahnvi vs. Sia lives.

But seriously, if the show is trying to seriously send out a message, then Jahnvi's voice, Jahni's feelings, Jahnvi's everything are what should be focused on, in my opinion. I personally feel like the show has sidelined the message aspect, as much as I hate to say that considering that's why I initially started to watch the show, so I guess right now, the CVs are utilizing Viraj and Raghav completely, as they do seem to be the more interesting characters, the ones who attract the audience, and thus the TRPs.

Phew, I went on 500 different rants in this post, I hope I didn't put anyone to sleep.

Bidzie- I know I hope they know what the story ahead is

Naina- lol I wasnt bored at all you brought forth some very interesting points. Yes CVs are more focused on pleasing fans rather than focusing on the issue. I'm a RaghaVi fan and I will admit that yes I do want to see a clear future for Raghav and Sia but not the way it is going, Sia already has trust in Raghav enough that she is ready to overlook whatever he did in the past (as shown by today's episode)...so why cant she trust him to if not protect but at least sympathize with her, share the fear she has.

My pet peeve with the show at the moment besides the ship teasing is Jhanvi's character. No doubt SJ is doing a brilliant job with what she is givine but how long...Jhanvi is such a WEAK character, she is so reliant on Raghav at this point to protect her/care for her what not...when will she stand up on her own...I know that in a way as Since Maan pointed out psychology is funky and wacky BUT I would love to see Jhanvi's brain and how it works in this regard, why does she want Viraj to recognize her...why does she not confide in Raghav when she herself stated she has immense trust


also agree that the show has SO much potential and I watch a LOT of TV shows and this is one of the better ones out there today on the sorry state of TV but still some elements leave a lot to be desired

Originally posted by: Tani91

Bidzie- I know I hope they know what the story ahead is

Naina- lol I wasnt bored at all you brought forth some very interesting points. Yes CVs are more focused on pleasing fans rather than focusing on the issue. I'm a RaghaVi fan and I will admit that yes I do want to see a clear future for Raghav and Sia but not the way it is going, Sia already has trust in Raghav enough that she is ready to overlook whatever he did in the past (as shown by today's episode)...so why cant she trust him to if not protect but at least sympathize with her, share the fear she has.

My pet peeve with the show at the moment besides the ship teasing is Jhanvi's character. No doubt SJ is doing a brilliant job with what she is givine but how long...Jhanvi is such a WEAK character, she is so reliant on Raghav at this point to protect her/care for her what not...when will she stand up on her own...I know that in a way as Since Maan pointed out psychology is funky and wacky BUT I would love to see Jhanvi's brain and how it works in this regard, why does she want Viraj to recognize her...why does she not confide in Raghav when she herself stated she has immense trust


also agree that the show has SO much potential and I watch a LOT of TV shows and this is one of the better ones out there today on the sorry state of TV but still some elements leave a lot to be desired

@Bold: That's why I'm watching this show. For me, I want Jahnvi to grow stronger as a woman, grow independent, voice her opinion, and be able to face Viraj. This itself means a lot to me personally because I know women who have been through domestic abuse, and have suffered because of it, and were too weak to stand up. I want the CVs to show that women can stand up, fight their battles, even if they have help, but they can fight it, they can grow stronger and now give in to the men in their lives every step of the way.

If the CVs really intend this to be a message to the viewers, actually convey some social good, they have to show Jahnvi being stronger and fighting back.

On a side note, with the other shows you mentioned, I know exactly what you're talking about. With respect to social messages, this one has a lot of power, I hope they utilize it.

I was a huge fan of Maryada, and the CVs in that show also showed a woman who went through that domestic abuse, and she reached a point where she ended up killing her husband. I just remembered that and kind of wanted to mention that as the other extreme example, with Jahnvi being on one end of the spectrum while this other woman, suffered for a long long time (had a 10-12 year old kid with her husband, sent the kid away so she wouldn't have to see the truth of her father, be affected by what happened), and finally reached that breaking point where he ended up dying in her hands.

I want to say that all women/people will reach breaking point at some point or the other, and I guess Jahnvi hasn't yet. (Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, considering she was raped, she lost her child, and for me, what hit me the hardest, would have definitely sent me past sanity was the way Viraj tricked her about her parents, her family dying.)

Thanks to SinceMann to inspire you to make this thought provoking topic.

Jahnvi is being protrayed the same way she is been shown since the beginning. The character has always lacked passion and independence to me. I still remember the early episode when Jahnvi friend asked her after college what will you do are you going to further your studies or get married and raised your children. Jahnvi reply is my father find a boy and her friend ask again so what kind of husband would you like and her goal is he should love her a lot and know her thoughts without her saying it. Like Really !

So you see Jahnvi doesn't have high goal and that's why is so easy for people to make decision for her and she follow without questioning.

Example Jahnvi fake's her death is and of all the name she can use she chooses her sister name and still her attitude and dressing sense is the same I mean nothing changed at all. That's why that maid was able to recognize her photo so easily in Viraj house.

Now please don't get me started on this jasso of trying to figure out if Viraj is faking. The girl can't stay around or talk to Viraj for more then 5 seconds so how is she going to prove he's faking. The bigger question why is she even trying and reliving all that horror again instead of just telling Raghav and his family who is Viraj Dobriayal.

They say we're a creature of habit and a product of our environment. So all the Raghav, Komolika & Geeta can come and go but until Jahnvi stop living from the way she know, and fight for the passion of life she will remain this way.

And I don't know if CV will ever show growth or keep her like this just to accommodate what you asked us not to mention in the topic. Those fans maybe happy and contend but as a viewer and woman I need more.

Jhanvi's pull towards Viraj makes sense to me. I said it back in March, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if she went back to him. Domestic Violence is a cycle. People say, why would she go back to him after everything: she was raped, she lost her child, what he did with her family.

Is Jhanvi really dependent on Raghav at the moment? I don't think so ... think about it!!! She has not run to Raghav and confided in him the moment she saw viraj did she? She is fighting in her own right or wrong way. She is strong what she needs is become a bit clever now because the ways she is using to find out if viraj is faking or not won't work

I have always said it there is hell lot of difference between growing stronger and being sucidal ... she can't deal with Viraj alone no matter how strong she becomes no woman in her place no matter how strong can so she needs to take help soon in my opinion!!!

As for Jhanvi being weak and all ... she represents the woman who bear torture hence she is like them but she was in a phase to grow stronger but before she could viraj landed but despite that she is doing her best to deal with it. Any woman in her place would run away the moment she saw viraj but she did not ... because she wanted to ensure viraj does not harm the family ... that for me is strength ... only thing she needs to understand now is that no matter what she can't deal with viraj alone (its a hard fact) and so she needs to confide in the only person that can help her and that is Raghav (yup he is a man big deal!!!)

Why i feel people have a problem with jhanvi is because we compare her with ourselves ... she is not like us ... she was not someone who was independent ever ... she represents those women who bear torture so to expect her to be strong is wrong in my opinion ... if all women were strong why would there be domestic violence in this world?

FOr me Jhanvi will only become problematic if she considers going back to Viraj again under any circumstances because when you are living a hell you have a 100 reasons to put up with it ... but once you are out and you have sensed freedom you would never want to go back into it!

Awesome thread Tani! And a big thanks to Siinnce_Maan for typing up such a brilliant post and sparking a wonderful discussion on the forum.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Is Jhanvi really dependent on Raghav at the moment? I don't think so ... think about it!!! She has not run to Raghav and confided in him the moment she saw viraj did she? She is fighting in her own right or wrong way. She is strong what she needs is become a bit clever now because the ways she is using to find out if viraj is faking or not won't work

I have always said it there is hell lot of difference between growing stronger and being sucidal ... she can't deal with Viraj alone no matter how strong she becomes no woman in her place no matter how strong can so she needs to take help soon in my opinion!!!

As for Jhanvi being weak and all ... she represents the woman who bear torture hence she is like them but she was in a phase to grow stronger but before she could viraj landed but despite that she is doing her best to deal with it. Any woman in her place would run away the moment she saw viraj but she did not ... because she wanted to ensure viraj does not harm the family ... that for me is strength ... only thing she needs to understand now is that no matter what she can't deal with viraj alone (its a hard fact) and so she needs to confide in the only person that can help her and that is Raghav (yup he is a man big deal!!!)

Why i feel people have a problem with jhanvi is because we compare her with ourselves ... she is not like us ... she was not someone who was independent ever ... she represents those women who bear torture so to expect her to be strong is wrong in my opinion ... if all women were strong why would there be domestic violence in this world?

FOr me Jhanvi will only become problematic if she considers going back to Viraj again under any circumstances because when you are living a hell you have a 100 reasons to put up with it ... but once you are out and you have sensed freedom you would never want to go back into it!

Yeah you're probably right that some may have issues with Jahnvi cause they compare to themselves but not me. I don't have an issues with Jahvi cause I don't expect anything different from her at all. The time I expected Jahnvi to be a lioness and show that she fear nothing was after losing her child. Jahnvi was always weak person the torture just made her a doormat in my opinion. That lamb weakness and submissive attitude of hers is what attracted Viraj to Jahnvi in the first place.

@ bold

That comment has me confuse cause statically is proven majority that face domestic violence are strong independent women. These men are very smart and manipulative and know how to make you feel that is your fault and slowly break your esteem to accomplish there goal of striping you of yourself. This show hasn't capture even 10 % of what real domestic violence entails.

Look at Rucha Gujarthi a strong independent actress who from the outside looking in you think she has everything going for herself. Yet the actress has been enduring domestic abuse from her husband and when she finally couldn't take she reported it to the police. All comments are saying how can it happen to a smart independent girl cause it can happen to her then what about regularly people. Like people choose domestic violence it can happen to all rich, poor, strong and weak it doesn't matter cause no one is above it happening to them in this world.