Shyam and his so called Lust factor - Edited* - Page 7

Originally posted by: sree07

totally agree. ASR had the same obsession over khushi but he decided to fight it and forget her. Heere destiny played a role and bought them together. Shyam never tried to supress the depression and he made advances all by himself. interesting.

@Bold that was an awesome question. How did he allow this to happen! He is pretty rationale and thoughtful, still he let his guard down. May be we get to see some intersting linking of Shyam - ASR - Khushi past :)

Originally posted by: nancynair

I also felt that the fault lies with CVs here, or there is some plan they have we are yet not aware of in suddenly in the Babuji episode they made Shyam black.

Wow... even I couldnever the lust angle in Shyam's characterization coz I never saw it!! Its a psychopath, immoral who lives in his imaginary world where Khushi is also in love with him!!

Good Post!!

Originally posted by: sree07

I don't know after seeing yesterdays episode where Shyam babuwa was playing all cupid cupid for Arhi, I somehow have a strong desire to write something about him. I have watched most of the episodes of IPKKND (but let me confess I have skipped scenes of Shyams monologue, Shyam-Babuji conversations, couple of Gee-Gee moments and khushi-Shyam hug 😳).

I have come across numerous analysis, OS, FF, SS where Shyam is all about Lust. Is it so? I could not pin point a scene in IPKKND where Shyam was lusting after khushi. (If anyone is feeling otherwise, please let me know the scene.).Let me pen down my own reasons..

Lust means having a string sexual desire towards someone. I have never felt the motive of Shyams loitering outside his marriage is lust. I have not felt he is lusting after khushi. I feel that he is strongly attracted towards khushi from the first sight for some unknown reason (the same way arnav fell for her. please don't hate me for this comparison. I could not stop mentioning it 😳). The thing called love at first sight, is it just because of lust? Some strong pull towards a person, may not always because of lust.

All the while he was staying in Gupta House, Was there any display of so called lust towards khushi? No. He was smitten by her, by her innocence, by her sweetness and by her craziness. But nevertheless he was a gentleman in front of her (as far as I can recall). He is just a psychopath who wanted to make her his own no matter what. 'Making her his' does not mean physical relation only. If he wants physical relation only he does not have to take the risk of marrying her. He wants khushi's love. Lust can be a motive for this obsession, but not the only one. And there was no indication from CVs side that Shyam villain-ism is riding on lust factor.

While we were expecting a Arhi confession of love, what did we get? Shyam Confession. what an irony! Alas whatever he said in that confession is true. He thinks he is in love with her and Shyams insane mind just imagine khushi is reciprocating his love. I would say his attraction should be better describes as a lewd and psychotic one but not something with lust.

Now after marriage, his first interaction with khushi is "How can you do this to me and my love?". What the! He himself is married and whats the logic behind saying those lines to khushi. Those words are from an insane mind where everything is good and rosy between khushi and him. Worldly logic does not apply in his imaginary world. As per him khushi is upset with him because he is married to Rani sahiba. He never sees anything bad in the current situation. In his eyes, whatever sin he does is to make khushi only his and is fair in his eyes. All is fair in love and war. But is there any indication of only lust here? beats me!

In the Shyam-Khushi car conversation, It was evident that he is worried that arnav will do something to hurt khushi. He was all boasting 'if Arnav does something bad, tell me', i will deal with it. Imagine any of khushi's friends(who knows all the behind the scene story) saying the same lines to khushi!. It will just be interpreted as a genuine concern and protectiveness towards khushi. But Since it is coming from the villain, the entire sentence is meaningless and evil. Shyam is the only person in the world other than arhi who understands ASRs current hatred towards Khushi.Hmm. Here also I don't see any lust. Just a vain attempt to touch her mind.

Holi color fiasco..I read couple of posts describing Shyams touch as lustful. Is it really so? It was a ploy to mark her, mark her as his own by painting red. Shows the same obsession and possessiveness he displayed since beginning towards khushi, not lust. His attraction towards khushi bear all the strong traits of extreme obsession. Just because he stands at the wrong side of morality, We are not calling it love.

I am not sure if i have posted it somewhere... But I see that in someways, Arnav's and Shyam are just the opposite sides of the coin or may be better describes as the yin yang. both having strong, powerfull and yet equal feeling towards khushi. One riding on the path of protection and other one on the path of destruction. And all started at first sight.

On a lighter note, our Arnavji is smitten by lust most of the time than Shyam. 😳. think...think...😉

Edit:-

Shyam mentioned that when he is with anjali he thinks of khushi. Is it lust? I feel it is a morally wrong behavior, a lewd one. Not lust. He sees khushi may be because of the attraction and obsession he felt towards her, may be not because of the physical attraction.

One point to add, there was lot of times when ASR was with la (either hugging her or holding her close) and then thinking about khushi all the while. Isn't it the scenario same as Shyam? When Shyam does it, it was Eek moment and when ASR does it, it is Rabba ve..Lol. It is all about Perception baby.. Perception changes everything. 😆.

Both ASR and Shyam were in a relation ship when they met khushi and fell in love. La and Anjali. ASR took the decision to break up with la but Shyam decided to continue. It is the choices that makes you the villain.

From the beginning of IPKKND, it is shown that, Shyams obsession for khushi is eclipsing his Goodness, slowly and steadily, just the way, khushi's obsession is slowing bringing out ASRs Goodness from eclipse. May be, once the eclipse is over, when he get over with khushi's obsession, Shyam's goodness will start shining. May be CVs will give him a path of redemption in future. Nice Characterization by CVs though.

Ok.. I know i have done the unthinkable by siding a little with the Villain. Don't roast me for this blasphemy. Would love here someone bash me logically. Note: I don't condone any of Shyams actions, just the way I don't condone ASRs actions.

lemme try 2 reply 2 each of ur pt. hope u read it patiently.

1st there is no love without lust. its part of love no matter wat rosy words u use. its a basic urge in human beings & any love ll ve a carnal desire involved.

so if u say that shyam loves kushi then it almost means he lusts aft r. even arnav lusts aft her so no issues.

reg being nice wen he was a PG in gupta house he was trying 2 get into the gud books of them & esp kushi. different tactics 4 diff ppl. obviously with traditional family & a girl like kushi he cant b aggressive. he can try 2 win her over only by acting coy. it was just an act. he knows wat works with wat ppl. remember how he easily manipulates the Raizadas.

that shyam-kushi car convo again is not innocent concern. he is just trying 2 poison kushi's mind, trying 2 manipulate her into hating arnav. thats it plz dont try 2 paint it with an innocent hue. it was just a cunning tactic which backfired.

reg arnav thinking bt kushi while hugging LA i hated it & i was 1 of the few who found it puke worthy.

yes both shyam & arnav were in a relationship wen they fell 4 kushi but therein lies the difference. arnav 1st dint understand his feelings & once he realized he tried 2 curb those feelings. the moment he confessed to himself that his feelings towards kushi was deeper he immediately broke up with LA & confessed 2 her that he doesnt love her. also he apologized though i still dint like the way he treated her like a pawn. but at least there is redemption for him on that front. but shyam is a different case. if he really loves kushi then he s'd ve broken up with anjali, applied 4 divorce & then approach kushi. plz remember arnav never hid his relation ship with LA frm kushi. inspite of that kushi couldnt help falling in love. but shyam hid his marital status frm kushi. so plz dont compare arnav & kushi on this point.

yes arnav lusts after kushi but thats coz he also loves her. shyam never loved her. if he had lvoed her he w'd ve never tried 2 murder her dad.

i am not saying arnav is a saint. his character is grey while shyam's is black.

also arnav started getting physical & intimate with kushi only aft he realized that she is also attracted towards him. till then he never took advantage of her. remember wen she fainted in the guest house he admired her but never misbehaved with her or took advantage of her condition.

i am not defending arnav 4 wat he is subjecting kushi to post shyam fiasco. its absolutely wrong & i hope kushi gives him hell but i cant agree that shyam & arnav r similar.

arnav earns money thru honest means unlike shyam who is dishonest even in his profession. remember how he blackmailed that lady into acting for him before anjali. he lives off his wife & then cheats on her.

arnav never cheated on LA. he couldnt help thinking bt kushi but then if that is the case u s'd accuse even kushi coz she did think bt him even wen he was in relationship with LA.

Originally posted by: ipkkndfan_29

Hey Sree (I hope that's your name & I didn't get it wrong 😃 ) ... Excellent post with good insight on Shyam's character 👏👏

I for one have always maintained that Shyam's feelings for Khushi have always been portrayed as an obsession ... an obsession which has been increasing steadily to the extent that it has slowly started over shadowing reality and has blurred the lines between right and wrong for this damaged individual. Only extreme obsession would not let Shyam understand that Khushi does not love him and WILL never love him irrespective of whether his matrimonial status changes ... this signifies how deeply twisted his mental state is.

As far as lust is concerned I do feel that some part of him lusts after Khushi in the same way that Arnav does (but with a major difference which I have mentioned later in my reply) ... a physical attraction to her beauty and her extremely feminine attributes -- However, I believe there are a couple of reasons why this has never been portrayed by CV's:

1. Shyam is the villain here who cannot be shown as being physically close to a girl who is supposed to be pure and innocent both for the love of her life (read Arnav) and the world.

2. Khushi no matter what is portrayed as an extremely moralistic & lower middle class girl who believes that her "izzat" is her most prized possession. If Shyam was shown as physically lusting after her and violating her bodily to an "extreme" degree, then it would definitely disgust & make her mad her enough to scream bloody murder. If you notice, "most of the time" Shyam has been courteous while disguising his true intentions.
I think the nearest he came to physically violating her was the poolside scene on the sangeet night where he completely forgot himself and stepped in to her personal space to show that he has a right to be in her life. This IMO was worse than the terrace scene where even though he hugged her , it was more on the lines of a lover albeit an obsessed one declaring his love to the other person. It looked ugly because we knew what is the story behind it all...as you said its all about perception.

Now coming to Arnav's attraction to Khushi as partly being lust --- I am not sure that that is correct. I have my own reasons to believe that Arnav's reactions to Khushi even though always based on physical attraction (especially initially) and the simmering sexual tension between them has always been a very huge part of their "relationship", but still there is vast difference between Arnav & Shyam's feelings:

Arnav has been in close physical proximity to khushi right from the start whether he was angry with her or when he had realized his feelings for her. But this physical attraction was NEVER one sided. Khushi has equally been affected by finding herself near him. She has never minded whether she is in his arms or he is holding her close to her. Arnav knows this and DESPITE THIS, he has never taken advantage of the right that this girl had allowed him. He has always been a gentleman whether it was while handing her her fallen duppatta with his eyes averted or when they were alone in Nanital.

This however has never been the case in the Khushi-Shyam equation. She has never been comfortable (in the physical sense) near this man even when she did not know the truth about him and even when he was engaged to her. The best example for this was the night in GH (after they are engaged) where Shyam holds Khushi's hand and she snatches it from him clearly indicating that this right was never given to him by her.

Now my question here is if Khushi had faced the same circumstances with Shyam even once before knowing his true face, if she would have fallen into Shyam's arms even once (like she had done uncountable times in Arnav's arms), would Shyam still not have acted and tried to get closer to her physically irrespective of her not being comfortable ... I think he would !!!
This I feel is the major difference between Arnav's & Shyam's attraction towards Khushi.

Now I just hope that the CV's never ruin Arnavs character and show him doing something in his extreme anger. However, I do feel that the CV's should take Shyam's obsession for Khushi to another level wherein he will decide to have Khushi at any cost whether it is by moving towards his prime obstacle Arnav or by going overboard in assuming that Khushi loves him and trying to make her his with force.

I know its been a long post...did not think I will type down so many of my thoughts on this topic ...I have missed a few more thoughts of mine but since am running out of time, I have decided to stop here 😆😆

wow..well-written! you are right.. 2 sides of the same coin and loved the way you said shyam's goodness is going away while ASR's is coming out! WOW!!

Sree best analyze on shyam so far...👏I believe shyam must have some underlying medical condition ..My life is surrounded by doctors... when we meet they mostly talk about the patients without disclosing their name...what i gathered from their talk that our shyam has some kind of mental disorder and it will emerge in some circumstance..that is his love for kkg...more than love may be he is obsessed with her and also i think that he never loved anjali or any other girl before...whatever you call it kkg is the first girl he interested in... he married anji out of sympathy (i always thought he is basically a very kind person) or financial gain...Characterwise there is not much difference between asr and shyam only asr is hero and the other one is villain..and i believe that even hero ASR has some medical condition...😆