Double Standards! *Huge debate topic*

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I have noticed a lot of double standards in the show and elsewhere that I have been meaning to talk about for a while. I did not because I was worried that people would think I am bashing the show, which is really not the case.

I think the show does a good job of showing how characters have double standards just like real people, particularly when it comes to gender issues. I would like to put a disclaimer before I list the double standards I saw - I adore every character in the show (except Shyam) as much as the next viewer and I am not writing this out of malice toward Arnav, Nani, any other character or even viewers of the show.

1. Arnav gets to have a live-in girlfriend with Nani's disapproval but La gets called "character dheela" by Nani whereas she says everyone else (Arnav included) in RM have high characters. Note that Khushi is the only balanced character who pays Arnav the "character dheela" compliment.

2. Arnav gets to hurt Khushi physically by dropping her from the second floor (not easily forgivable) but if Khushi is slightly rude about it, many find Khushi unfair.

3. Nani and Anjali are thrilled Arnav is going for the good girl Khushi but they never consider that Arnav's relationship history might actually offend the Gupta's if a proposal is made. No, they assume their all-eligible brother/nati is so good that only bringing the two together for love will seal the deal.

4. Arnav can sleep with La and emotionally cheat on her with Khushi. He can establish La in the house to make his point with Nani and make Khushi jealous, but if Khushi dares to flirt with NK to just make Arnav jealous, she is the greatest flirt who should be careful (many of us have said this, I am not talking about anyone particular).

5. Arnav is glorified for "having experience" (trust me, I say this while knowing the merit of it) but Khushi is glorified for "being pure." Even a little flirtation is not Khushi's right, but Arnav/or any man of the house may get away with it.

6. La is bad because she dresses Western and Khushi is good because she dresses Indian - as if their dresses say it all. I have made a post about this before. The Western dressed woman is not automatically character-less. And what is character-less anyway? Why is this term more often imposed on women for having the same lifestyle many men are never questioned for?

Nani's character is the old-world woman who also has a double standard when it comes to her male nati (after all the female nati is married). She may disapprove but she won't see his as a loose character but heaven save the woman who dared to live-in with him. As the saying goes, you can't clap with one hand. Somehow the man is not to blame for giving into temptation but if the woman does then she falls from grace.

I am not blaming anyone, double standards are ingrained in all of us to an extent. I am sure I am very flawed with contradictions too. But it is something to be aware of. All that said and done, I love the show and don't think it has double standards. I think they accurately portray some characters having double standards as is true in real life. I probably sound harsher than I mean to be because I get frustrated by gender biases.

I adore you all too 🤗

Would love to hear your views on this! Please feel free to agree or disagree. I have said a lot and I am sure this is a contentious topic.

Mary


PART 2 - Just a few more things to add

1. I am pointing to double standards of both the characters in the show and the audience. Saying that this shows that the CVs are doing a good job of showing biases.

2. I am not blaming any of it on Arnav. I don't think he's a chauvinist either. Glad that many here felt the same way. I remember him telling nani that he likes La as she dresses and tells La later that she doesn't need his permission to go places (when she goes "good" traditional and starts asking for permission). In terms of the poor-rich binary however, he did say that middle class girls are out to get rich guys and they are characterless but I don't really think he believes in it. If I was Khushi, I would take him to town for that one.

3. I don't th
ink Mami is a good example of a "bad" person in Indian attire because she's a different kind of bad. Bad La in Western refers to her character. Good Khushi in Indian refers to her character - in terms of men and relationships. Mami may be in Indian and bad but her character is not shown as bad in the sense La is at first. La only goes "good" when she starts wearing traditional clothing which I found objectionable. She was the same girl and she could have become nice, etc without her dresses showing stereotypically that she's now on the good side.

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Marybarton thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
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So many views, yet no comments.
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I can't believe no one has any opinion about these.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hey

Thank god I am the first o comment on this beautiful and superb topic!!!!!
The double standards is something that irks me...I amen not in characters but in the sol called forum wasis...who say that the show is different as Khushi and Arnav are treated as equals and they are bored of same old saas bahu saagas

But then they end up sub conciously expecting the same old all pure and glorified maid as daughter in law...and all the while saying its not in Khushi's character to behave like this!!!!!

Will come back with more inputs now my boss is calling me...but kudos i apprecaite your post and just love the way you have put ti!!!

Also i feel the double standard is also for the money matters...I distinctly remember Arnav calling Khushi middle class girl in aukat everything in very hurting way...but very few seemed to care...and everyone else were just oohing and aahing his appearance but Khushi just had to make a remark on his diabetes that too only once in very harmless way but there came hues and cries to almost ban the show and i guess if they had been able given right to murder this one character..they would have decided to kill this character in the serial and not Shyam and probably have new meek girl for Arnav!!!!...just for dance there were words like t**t used on her!!!!

So I feel some fans of IPKKND are not having double standards with respect to gender alone but also with money...for them rich can get away with anything (as many who balmed Khushi for the dance were supporting Lavanya for character dheela dance!!!!) and the poor nope...every blame should fall on them...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ur right that gender stereo types plague us to this day an age. sadly its present in american tv forget indian.
guys with experience are called players yet women with the same history are called something bad ( u know the word)
and women are expected to bend to the will of the man ... i see this a lot in indian tv. women in the name of "sacrifice" giving up their interest and love for that matter to accommodate the men...

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- i think ipk is one of the better ones... khushi works, she stands up for her self, known to be street smart, isnt always a damsel in distress, changes tires, is a problem solver, and she is the bread winner in her family. which some of the highly educated daughter in laws in other shows are not... they are show only in kitchen politics. so love the cv's for portraying khushi well 96% of the time.

- and arnav in his own way kinda didnt interfere with la's day to day. neither did with khushi. man has anger management prob but not ones of chauvinism. he totally stood by and let her push the car and drive and change the tire...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hey mary.. i agree with ur points...
this is the first time m posting something on this forum... nd that is bcoz ur views inspired me to comment...
i m a big feminist myself... n i agree with ur point about non-equality among the genders..
its quite rare to see someone having such deep thoughts... :-)
double standards are a part of the real life... so they are quite acceptable in the reel life...
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-pankhuri
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dudette...i agree with you...
but at the end of the day i think its the knight in shining armour and damsel in distress thing...
if she rescues herself...then whats the point of him?
So goes back to the time of fairy tales when such biases were the basis of existence.
Why does she say aap and him say tum?
why does she append ji to his name and he gets away on just her name...
But IF arnav was not "experienced" how would we get to see the kiss that was ;) That kiss was from a man who knew exactly what effect he had on the lady. Knew exactly when to swoop in and when to pull out.
Sorry...i have slipped in ASR bliss again...but yes - if Arnav were a real life character i am not sure i would be that attracted to him. He would come across as being rude, arrogant, pompous...
and yeah yeah i knwo he has a good heart and all..but who would hang around long enough to see the heart?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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First of a very well written post-great observation! I'm guilty of it too. I remember your character dheela western clothing post and I had added my POV therel! 😊

Will write more later am reserving my spot I guess 😆 have a lonnng day tmrw!
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mary a very nice topic u put your views which were exactly in my mouth.nd one thing what i felt is lavanya previously was like a typical asr type not open to marraiage but agreable to live in but when la finally ttained good virtues nd became traditional why couldnt the family{anjali nd nani} force arnav bitua to get married .nd she had her behaviour changed thanx to kushi.arnav didnt like her for being kushi,nd hurt la also...so i guess nani shud have been more considerate towards la also...given all dis must admit the fact that asr character is quite complicated nd not easy to portray nd barun is doing a fabulous job...ya sometimes i do feel that nani nd anjali are biased wat dey couldnt recognize in a public rabbave...{front of family},from a sensual dance .they come to conclusions with an innocent peck...its ridiculous but i take for arhi nd also atleast now nanji brain worked...gr8 post mary
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Posted: 13 years ago
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U r perfectly right...gender bias is an inherent characteristic of the living society across states nd cultures...it can range from the smallest of things like "dressing" to marriage to work culture...
But esp in our society women are the easiest to blame...Men always have a clean chit...any fault -ladki ne kuch kiya,kaha or rather she provoked..thts y he retailiated...
Its convenient to overlook that the man is the instigator in most of the situations !!
I will not go in dissecting Arnav-Khushi...coz I put forth in my post earlier - they both have done their shares of right/wrongs to each other but at the end of the day they have immensely respected nd valued each other (its just their way of expression has been diffrent from other Indian TV shows)
But mayb am wrong but I feel -
Livin-in La was acceptable by Arnav, coz it was a mutual arrangement between both of them - no expectations,no commitments - just sufficing each other's needs (literally too ) La got the stature,he escaped the marriage talks/and got a polished grl to present to the society...
But the moment he realised his fault/feelings he let her go...thats the best move ASR has done in the show too...
With Khushi its matters of heart,so he is more guarded !!!
I have not found any faults wid Khushi's character watsoever since start - it is an effortlessly layered simple character - she does mistakes like each one of us...but has never wavered from her principles...(she knows her limitations - think of her reply in the Dori scene)
With NK and Shyam,she has been very intelligently maintained her barriers...thats y even Arnav said - tumhe to hosh bhi nahi rahta,wat ppl around think - he nevr doubts her innocence,but sharks r always around !!!
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