Are Dil nd Dimaag Mutually Exclusive?

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Are dil nd dimaag mutually exclusive?Does taking decision wid either one negate d other? 😕

IMV is highly admired 4 his brains, but whatever decisions nd moves he makes r totally devoid of d feelings of d heart. He's able to be ruthless nd unscrupulous nd make all his diabolic moves coz he doesn't hv a conscience which plays an important part in making any decisions.

Also those who make decisions with their heart often end up loosing nd looking foolish. Two cases come to mind. 1st being d case of D. Whn she rightfully got back d Swing Air deal, she handed it back 2 IMV saying dat she too wants it to be d launching pad for Sid as it would totally be Sid's project. By doing dis she lost d golden opportunity of bailing her company CP enterprise, at d same time proving her mantle of an able businesswoman. Now she's simply playing second fiddle 2 V in his Mumbai Floats project nd infact her efforts nd hard work r in jeopardy, just coz V isn't able to distance his inner turmoil regarding S frm his dream project. It maybe a phase dat will pass or else D will make it a success on her own, which she is capable of. But d fact remains dat it is V's project nd she is at d mercy of his whims nd fancies instead of being d boss.

Similarly S chose 2 leave V, coz she thought with her heart nd apart frm being black mailed by IMV did not want 2 create a rift between V nd his family. As she herself had said, dat she could easily finance V if she so wanted nd V could hv gone on to build another successful business, but she didn't 'tht would hv been thinking with her head, but she chose to think wid her heart nd lost V.

The only exception being whn V acquired d land 4 Mumbai Floats. In tht scenario both heart nd head came into play nd d outcome was one of satisfaction for both d parties involved.😊

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intruderfast thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
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u opened a topic wow😆😆 its a tough qs , i need some more yrs of experience to answer this qs
ok will comment later right now making post on vv😆
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

u opened a topic wow😆😆 its a tough qs , i need some more yrs of experience to answer this qs

ok will comment later right now making post on vv😆

Yeah kabhi kabhi mere dil aur dimaag mein bhi khayal aata hai...😆
Looking forward 2 ur jhasu comment.😉
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Posted: 13 years ago
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it depends on the situation i think, but in today's age one should use its head first

and if dil and dimaag dono ek baat kelte hain toh kyaa kehne no tension,
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...as our proper daily function--controlled by the healthy balance of our respective hemispheres...can somehow parallel this to Left vs Rt handed people (the majority being one/the other ; success in respective workfields ex.Rt=creativity), and yet exists the state of Ambidexterity (usage of both hands)..can kinda derive it as ability of extracting the "best of both worlds"~~highly admirable...likewise perhaps key of success may not be One Always over-powering the other, but rather in their play of balance according 2 wat the situation demands...

EXCELlent topic i must say!

perhaps a coincidence of symolism IMV actually wears the "eye-glasses (handicap of one'z natural vision)"
The Physical Divider in their Room (placed by IMV):
"Bhitar koi masla nahi, jo bhi jung hai woh bahar hai...kheyr, agar hum ek dujje ki baat samaj pahte toh hamare bich woh parda nahi hota"...Mr.Man's bottled up inner-self settles scores only w what his vision allows...the external battles...

conclusively again i think/believe (lol) 'tis best done according 2 what the situation/person(s) of the situation demands~~however, due the biast of our lens (although All-most of us strive 2 take decisions via the Most Promising paths...naturally to reap the Most "fruit-full results"), we block/supress our capacity to do so, hence due the very fog of this vision aka bias of our lens, we often fail 2 see all the colors of the rainbow..

..that said..
~i'm not done with all the rainbows, not just yet...there must be more in the sky!...i'm sure of it!!~Harmoni:-)

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran777

...as our proper daily function--controlled by the healthy balance of our respective hemispheres...can somehow parallel this to Left vs Rt handed people (the majority being one/the other ; success in respective workfields ex.Rt=creativity), and yet exists the state of Ambidexterity (usage of both hands)..can kinda derive it as ability of extracting the "best of both worlds"~~highly admirable...likewise perhaps key of success may not be One Always over-powering the other, but rather in their play of balance according 2 wat the situation demands...

EXCELlent topic i must say!

perhaps a coincidence of symolism IMV actually wears the "eye-glasses (handicap of one'z natural vision)"
The Physical Divider in their Room (placed by IMV):
"Bhitar koi masla nahi, jo bhi jung hai woh bahar hai...kheyr, agar hum ek dujje ki baat samaj pahte toh hamare bich woh parda nahi hota"...Mr.Man's bottled up inner-self settles scores only w what his vision allows...the external battles...

conclusively again i think/believe (lol) 'tis best done according 2 what the situation/person(s) of the situation demands~~however, due the biast of our lens (although All-most of us strive 2 take decisions via the Most Promising paths...naturally to reap the Most "fruit-full results"), we block/supress our capacity to do so, hence due the very fog of this vision aka bias of our lens, we often fail 2 see all the colors of the rainbow..

..that said..
~i'm not done with all the rainbows, not just yet...there must be more in the sky!...i'm sure of it!!~Harmoni:-)


Snatched the WORDS out of my Right hemisphere😆 ( left handed and not so creative 😉) btw proved beyond doubt you are are medico/scientist.. but your symbolisms were bang on woman.. esp the divider tht Charu once talked abt.. the conundrum.. the battle is always inside.. the different sections of your hemisphere.. whether you let your hypothalamus/pituitary (aka hormones) get the better of your frontal lobe's executive function is the real deal😉

as for your rainbow.. all the best😃
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Munira: If I think physiologically.. heart is just a manpower center.. it cant THINK or DECIDE..it just receives the signals of the brain.. its the different sections of the brain the react to rationalte, emotions if you will.. stress etc.. and obv the balance and the battle between the lobes is extremely individualistic..

enough of my gibberish coming to your figurative questions.. Loved it.. coz I am all for decision making.. 😉 put can I rub it in.. b4 I try making sense😆
He's able to be ruthless nd unscrupulous nd make all his diabolic moves coz he doesn't hv a conscious which plays an important part in making any decisions.

And you question my love for S.. how can u underestimate your love.. gahhh .. ok moment of backhanded compliment over.. well in reality its not ying yang in decision making where one is only ruled by emotions vs logic.. its always a balance.. and in all the cases you sighted whether its Ds or S neither of the decisions were impulsive and based on only sentiments.. it was extremely conscious and thought out.. yet brain decided.. D or S loss tht you put forth was definitely known to them.. in spite of that they stood for their conviction.. both are on some levels in peace with it.. and thats what matters..😉 sleeping well at night.. In all 3 cases D, S, IMV they easily make those decisions coz they live by their convictions.. so there is hardly a conflict

but one thing I defo give credit to IMVs mental gymnastics.. is the weighing out the effects.. when one decides logically esp in case of a mental conflict.. btw your conviction (due to emotions, persona etc) vs logic and feasibility.. Logic has an upmanship on ONE COUNT.. coz it takes into count the reaction from the world.. A decision made on convictions sometimes may not get the desired effect from others coz they dont need to abide by your sentiments (what we call taking advantage and losing propositions) .. but when you put logic in front you would take the cons into account..

But in case of D/S they still went with conviction KNOWING it may not meet the desired effect.. may not come across as a globally smart move but its a personal prerogative and hence BANG ON👍🏼

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Originally posted by: sonali.19281

Munira: If I think physiologically.. heart is just a manpower center.. it cant THINK or DECIDE..it just receives the signals of the brain.. its the different sections of the brain the react to rationalte, emotions if you will.. stress etc.. and obv the balance and the battle between the lobes is extremely individualistic..


enough of my gibberish coming to your figurative questions.. Loved it.. coz I am all for decision making.. 😉 put can I rub it in.. b4 I try making sense😆
He's able to be ruthless nd unscrupulous nd make all his diabolic moves coz he doesn't hv a conscious which plays an important part in making any decisions.

And you question my love for S.. how can u underestimate your love.. gahhh .. ok moment of backhanded compliment over.. well in reality its not ying yang in decision making where one is only ruled by emotions vs logic.. its always a balance.. and in all the cases you sighted whether its Ds or S neither of the decisions were impulsive and based on only sentiments.. it was extremely conscious and thought out.. yet brain decided.. D or S loss tht you put forth was definitely known to them.. in spite of that they stood for their conviction.. both are on some levels in peace with it.. and thats what matters..😉 sleeping well at night.. In all 3 cases D, S, IMV they easily make those decisions coz they live by their convictions.. so there is hardly a conflict

but one thing I defo give credit to IMVs mental gymnastics.. is the weighing out the effects.. when one decides logically esp in case of a mental conflict.. btw your conviction (due to emotions, persona etc) vs logic and feasibility.. Logic has an upmanship on ONE COUNT.. coz it takes into count the reaction from the world.. A decision made on convictions sometimes may not get the desired effect from others coz they dont need to abide by your sentiments (what we call taking advantage and losing propositions) .. but when you put logic in front you would take the cons into account..

But in case of D/S they still went with conviction KNOWING it may not meet the desired effect.. may not come across as a globally smart move but its a personal prerogative and hence BANG ON👍🏼

Ah Sonali knew sumthing was bugging me nd finally figured it out. IMV doesn't hv a conscience (not concious)...sorry abt dat!
Dat is wat I mean...does taking action wid your heart automatically negate ur head or vice-versa? I don't think so...but dats how I feel it is potrayed in MB. We know D is super intelligent, but she takes her decisions based on emotions, or her dil being predominant nd she is accused of being naive nd foolish. Whereas IMV's all moves seem brilliant but he's toatally detached emotionally nd his heart does not come into account whn he makes his decisions. I think it's not the right message to send across tht if ur heart rules over ur head then u r doomed 2 failure or not acheiving ur aims. Agreed both S nd D made a concious decision whn they listened to their hearts nd were more or less prepared for d outcome, but tht does not refute the fact dat if they had taken the decision more with their heads then they would hv acheived what they had set out to acheive. (OK S never did set out 2 acheive V, but she could hv had d happily ever after wid V).
Again whn V invested money in CP enterprise, d decision was based on both, so dat's smart as well as good. 😊 So it seems only V is capable of using both his head nd heart simaltaneously nd productively.
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IMV is highly admired 4 his brains, but whatever decisions nd moves he makes r totally devoid of d feelings of d heart.

Each decision in life is made with the heart only . Even the ruthless ones . Infact , the most ruthless decisions r extensions of a deeply stirred emotion within the heart ...it commands the brain to be efficient in achieving the goal . That efficiency comes across as ruthlessness , but the motivating factor is always the heart .

Every decision of IMV goes back to his heart only . His brain , a razor sharp one , is an efficient servant of his heart that appears non existent to viewers . What he FEELS , he DOES . Its as simple as that .

Take ANY of his decision and trace it back to the origin from where it emerged ...it goes to his heart .

The business empire itself is an extension of the pain throbbing in his unhealed wounded heart ...showing BB what HE had missed in rejecting him as a son in law .

The efficiency in executing each business decision so perfectly that it is always a win win for him is again the discipline he has set for himself so that he never slips and remains where he is ...at the top ...for BB to see . For the world to see .

The selection of Devki as a bahu is again , a HEART decision . It appears diabolical . But the moment it was clear to him that she was not just some floozy that BB was having fun with , but Chandraprabha's daughter in the flesh ...he picked her up . It was a medley of emotions ...hate for BB by acquiring CP's daughter from him if not CP and having the balance of emotional power now in HIS hands for a change , A quick seasoned summation of Devki 's calibre ...pretty , intelligent , good family , same caste and excellent for his business empire heir ...Vaibhav , as a partner , side by Side , to ise to great heights ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[ this stems from love for V as a father and selecting the BEST for him } , wanting unconsciously a part of CP around him but not acknowledging it to himself . People saw his decision as diabolical , but he employed that facet of his brain to achieve an emotional victory as he perceived it .

Even the fiendish jailing of Devki and Manhar . He had been wanting to hit Manhar back for a long time ever since Baa left him and went to Manhar's house.
It had been simmering inside , the hurt and the subsequent rage that he is exceedingly careful NEVER to show . It was not just the Swing Air deal ...he would have hit Manhar ANY other way if that had not happened . Manhar took Mommy away from him ...it was as simple as that . He loves BAA and CP crazily . Hate for BB is coz he took CP away , Hate for Manhar was coz he took Baa away by opting to leave his house . Actually Manhar had NOT asked Baa to leave . Baa did it on her OWN . But IMV will NEVER acknowledge that ...he cannot bear that truth . His Mommy will never LEAVE him , someone took her away is the child like obstinacy and rage . Unreasonable jealousy is only unmanageable hurt love . It fuelled more when the Swing Air deal went to Devki with Manhar's honesty projection . He decided to crush him then ...if honesty was the hall mark of Manhar 's character that attracted his parents to him , then he would mar that very honesty .

Devki he pulled out within two days from the jail . He did not want to punish her much . She was Vaibhav's wife and innocent . This much punishment was enough for her to learn a lesson . This was IMV's mind ...always a cauldron of simmering , volatile , suppressed emotions .

Devki , Vaibhav Sabina etc seem to make foolish emotional mistakes coz they think with their heart and IMV seems to win coz he uses ruthless brain . It is not so . Both think with heart only . The only difference is ...D , V and S acknowledge their emotions honestly and openly to themselves and to the outer world . IMV keeps his totally private and bottled up . He gives vent to them by employing sharp tools of the brain . They don't ...they express them freely and r happier as individuals . IMV , who is extremely private and reserved and cannot bear his private feelings being bared to anyone as he fears hurt , feels uneasy when they cannot get a venting as it is human nature . He then proceeds to vent them by concrete expression in a cause ...be it business ,managing the decision making of people around him etc . He does this as he cannot open up to any other human in the world . These other people ...V , D and S etc DO open up to someone or the other . IMV does NOT . Even Baa ...Baa reads him herself , he never goes to her and puts his head on her lap and has a good cry out .

The inability to open up to anyone makes him violently search his mind to find tools that execute his expression of feelings . Those tools r efficiency and ruthlessness and hence he appears so .

Sabina came the closest to reading him accurately . She said I am a mere excuse ...He is filled with Hate , its an integral part of his personality and he needs to vent it out on SOME ONE ...this time its me . But that Hate too has sprung from love and rejection and the subsequent insecurity complex that ensued .

Sorry if I bored u , but he is fascinating . Bottom line ...His decisions r as emotional as theirs .😃
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 13 years ago
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~Sonali-- hmm scribbl'd the attach'd wrds of Ms.Lefty'z Creative hemisphere aka existence of that "admirably extracted state" eh:-)
hahaaa gud 1 babes, i like i like!!...more like the pathogenesis of amygdala (master controller of hypothalamus, which controls pituitary) aka limbic system
a Full Entertainment package u r sweets! Thoroughly relish the variable horizons u speak on...
aww thx 4 the best hun, n likewise, of all colorz 2 the rainbow, i wish upon u a Pure Whitelight...for coming thru the dimensionz of a prism..carrying a beautiFull array of all da colorz of a spectrum..

~Shhh-- Actually Sonali has correctly spelled n used the term hun...for Conscience is described as an entity in itself, whereas Conscious can be pertained to describing an individual w/ or w/o it...however, personally i'll find it incorrect 2 observe IMV w/ a lack of conscience...cuz he jus a str8 up playa son!!
Death of a conscience can take lpace somewhere along paths of sum peoplez lives...'tis where many (but not all as sum commit their displaced dues outta anger/revenge**cough IMV) deadly criminals may get catagorized who carry no remorse cuz they aren't even capable one (ie. hitler--wz one observed as f&%*#d up in the head aka w/ a death of this very conscience n hence lack emotionz 2 follow ) & i'll safely say that tapasya character of uttaran more/less can be defined as one w a "lack of/death of" conscience
Also, one may even consider IMVs conscious upon the basis of the athiest hues (ex. a strong red streak talk shown @Mandir as CP left him~a vital n pivotal point in the makings of IMV we have 2day) ...but on the contrary, (while keeping these 2 entities apart) i can't jump 2 placing the conscience card under the athiest label, cuz even if he'd gotten CP, perhaps he'd still have very likely carried on in his athiest view, only while not being so cold as he's now...infact (right/wrong justified w/in), he went about "HIS ways" even while being w CP...ex. Recall the (justified) temporarily stealing of dupatta for CP <--a "wrongful" doing by the follow of <3 emotions...

see, i find a diff. btwn "lack of vs displacing" one's conscience...ex. hitler vs IMV, respectively. Many people in this world (run by a conscience of emotionz) are followerz of the <3 <---which IMV wud categorize as "emotional fools" and these r the very such people he Ultra-craftily playz on...and 'tis detrimental one understands the workings of such "fools" in order 2 play em...he's very well got a conscience alright, he just Willingly & Conveniently Places it aside n cud careless in his corrupt gothic way of being..getting bak @ the world.. See, 2 me "the ability 2 view right from wrong (despite choosing either path to travel) vs the incapability to do so" is what definez the existence of one's conscience...now putting it aside, polluting it, suppressing it 2 awaken/not later, or "Playing" w/ it**ahem--IMV, is another category all-together..& actually dear (like V) IMV's also very able 2 simultaneously use head n heart---only that he Literally "uses" (rather abuses) what he draws from his <3 in his Grand "Successful" Plays:-)..as basically IMV = "Ur entitled 2 my opinion...if i want urs, i'll Give it 2 u!!"

~KoolSadhu-- (U seem wise beyond ur ages...btwn the said n unsaid, i concur w another bow!) one word-->Respect!!

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