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Posted: 13 years ago
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come on Kools. everything is not over still. Picture abhi baaki hai mere dost. And anyway, in Indian court, a married couple should live 2gether for atleast 1 year to get divorsed yaar. who knows what comes up?
Chaaru's is arranged marriage, so she didn't expect luv. Then kya VD's is luv marriage? atleast charu's is AM, but VD's is Compro marriage dost.
V is really a chicken I accept. He thought when he told all his luv story to D b4 marriage that D will do what he can't do i.e rejecting ans saying no to elders which defo V can't sat to his papa. But chaal ulta pad gaya aur, D ko marriage karna hi pada. Bechara.
Is V the only one who is hiding truth? If chaaru is so concerned abt D means, why she can't go and say to D that this is V's past, through S out to save ur marriage. instead of feeling frustrated.
U said that even though IMV didn't give love to charu, he provided her well with children and all
Do u think or want that D to be a spineless one who can be happy with the children and all provisions without husbands love. That if V says that I will give u childre, but not lov, then D will accept it? D is a self-respecting girl, isn't it? Even if she know's the truth now that S is V's past, she will through V away from this wedlock dost, bcoz she is intelligent and she can put 2 and 2 togther.
U said moaning over CP is IMV's private moments and he completed all his respo towards chaaru
see back once when CP is is in Mumbai, how IMV has behaved. and about resp's V has not shireked out of a single resp of D as a friend or hubby. When she got her leg sprianed, he did everything for her. He tried to helpout her father. He is not giving luv like his father , except that he is also doing everything a good hubby should do. Isn't it?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Janavi: I for one have loved V for everything he stood for.. and in fact have had endless debates with Kools on VD equation being rather real and cute in spite of their marriage not being a proper marriage.. but at the same time. .i do understand Kools POV also.. for her the institution of marriage has gravity and people messing around with its sanctity in the name of convenience and lifestyle is just not OK.. thats her principle in life.. I have a different conviction.. but I see where she comes from. .and I respect that..

having said that.. I have re-iterated that VD have only had 2 months of togetherness and a lot of tumultuous events after that.. by themselves they were building a beautiful camaraderie.. and its impossible for someone not to love D.. V would too only if the family wasnt in such a hurry and let them take their own course.. like Baa said every relationship has its own course.. one cant be compared to another.. IMV is different from VV.. his time and place is different.. his personality is different..

2 things that I did not agree to your post was VV was not being a chicken by telling D everything.. and hoping she would refuse. .he was doing his karma.. not looking at the outcome.. if you see the scene he was surprised at how she rejected him with dignity.. he was in fact rather brave and honest with her.. she had that right to information.. he couldnt betray her..

secondly.. in your comparison of D to Charu's situation you used the word spineless.. If you mean to say Charu is spineless.. I object.. she is ANYTHING but that.. and neither will D ever be spineless.. even if things were different btw her and VV.. she faces IMV with courage.. just as Charu does hold her ground on some convictions like her lifestyle in front of IMVs complete disregard. .the beauty of this show is every CHARACTER commands respect for their conviction and strength.. you may or may not relate to their ways.. but they are extremely convincing in their manner.. kudos to the characterization..
Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#53

gems of imv this is one of my fav scene , kyaa ullu banata hain sabka😆😆

some of his lines r too good, faisle banane ki shamta sabne honi chahiye
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnzuA6IN1U4[/YOUTUBE]
and this one imv bhawanji first scene, this was rocking,
jo apne man ko jeet leta hain woh sabko jeet leta hain😎woh din waapis chahiye

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYZpP3HZhCU[/YOUTUBE]

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Janavi: I for one have loved V for everything he stood for.. and in fact have had endless debates with Kools on VD equation being rather real and cute in spite of their marriage not being a proper marriage.. but at the same time. .i do understand Kools POV also.. for her the institution of marriage has gravity and people messing around with its sanctity in the name of convenience and lifestyle is just not OK.. thats her principle in life.. I have a different conviction.. but I see where she comes from. .and I respect that..

having said that.. I have re-iterated that VD have only had 2 months of togetherness and a lot of tumultuous events after that.. by themselves they were building a beautiful camaraderie.. and its impossible for someone not to love D.. V would too only if the family wasnt in such a hurry and let them take their own course.. like Baa said every relationship has its own course.. one cant be compared to another.. IMV is different from VV.. his time and place is different.. his personality is different..

2 things that I did not agree to your post was VV was not being a chicken by telling D everything.. and hoping she would refuse. .he was doing his karma.. not looking at the outcome.. if you see the scene he was surprised at how she rejected him with dignity.. he was in fact rather brave and honest with her.. she had that right to information.. he couldnt betray her..

secondly.. in your comparison of D to Charu's situation you used the word spineless.. If you mean to say Charu is spineless.. I object.. she is ANYTHING but that.. and neither will D ever be spineless.. even if things were different btw her and VV.. she faces IMV with courage.. just as Charu does hold her ground on some convictions like her lifestyle in front of IMVs complete disregard. .the beauty of this show is every CHARACTER commands respect for their conviction and strength.. you may or may not relate to their ways.. but they are extremely convincing in their manner.. kudos to the characterization..



No sonu, I didn't say that Chaaru is spineless, her case totally different. She doesn't know that her hubby dear has a ladylove in his past. so, she is entirely dedicated and thought hubby in the sameway i.e. her hubby is all hers. so, the she can't be spineless. But in D case, its difo. She knows about V's love life and if he comes near her, she can defo conclude that he is doing the copro thing, U know.

And about the sacred instution of marriage, I respect it too. But, I feel instead of being in a bad marriage and loose ur self-respect, its better to come out of it. No women want to be a second choice in her husbands heart. And for the efficient, intelligent & beautiful D has no need to play a second fiddle to someone. Do u remember what D has said in thursdays epi "Shak tho Door ho saktha hai, lekin shak karne ka aadat nahin". How much she has covered that she believe in Vji, she got a doubt, isn't it? What if she come to learn about V and S. Lets play a scenario . D will learn about V and S. IMV will again steer everything and make everything normal for V and D and throughout S. Then V and D will have same equation. Won't she have her suspicions whenever she sees him in deep thoughts or something like that. Now don't give the crap like she is intelligent, she won't doubt and all. women R women. U know. Is this all necessary for D always feeling herself in S shadow?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Neither is V chicken nor r Charu and Devki spineless if they opt to remain in loveless marraiges .

All 3 r extremely strong , noble characters .

V can be described as young , inexperienced and someone who has not thought deeply about his compro marraige situation ...like most youths he lives in the present .

If D decides NOT to divorce V but continues living in that marraige , I can totally understand where she comes from . And I can totally understand Charu living in her marraige and not walking out either .

Love is not the only priority on which marraiges r based ...there r many many factors to be considered before breaking up that institution

There r children involved , family members inviolved , and decisions r taken keeping the whole picture in mind .

It takes strength to walk out and divorce . It takes greater strength to make a decision , put a lid on personal feelings and expectations and focus on the larger picture .

A divorce can often be the prioritisation of personal feeling and ego over all other factors ...even children . For instance I know women who have opted to divorce their spouses although they were excellent fathers and providers , as their egoistic tiffs were more important to them .

Then there r those who do away with personal expectations by evaluating the situation and focus on in laws , children , keeping family together .

I don't judge both . Both r facets of strength only . Its simply a matter of perspective , choice and personal priority .

Many often feel , is divorce worth giving up what we built together simply coz my husband had an affair and has still not got it out of his system ? Good Luck to him , but I won't let my children suffer emotional trauma by throwing tantrums or breaking their security cocoon . To hell with that woman , he is an excellent provider and really loves the children ...That woman is NOT my goal , my children r . I won't walk out , I will modify instead how I live in my marraige .

That too is not AT ALL wrong or spineless . Its VERY GUTSY .

I want D to know the TRUTH . But after knowing truth if she decides she still wants to stay in this marraige its her choice . I have full faith in the dignity of her decisions . And I simply ADMIRE Charu . I will never judge her decision ...All I want is for her to know the truth , thats all .


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I completely agree with Kools on this part.. Divorce is matter of personal choice.. deciding to live in an imperfect world again is extremely smart.. coz at the end of the day WHOSE world is PERFECT.. if you are sorted you can always evaluate the pros and cons of any equation.. When Charu told VV about the reality of her marriage she said.. both me and your dad could have easily walked out of this marriage coz we hardly reconcile with each other's ideologies.. but I did not coz of you kids.. her priority is her kids.. she has found her individuality and peace in a spiritual world..

as for D she is bound to think or suspect VVs feelings for Sabina as she hasnt yet seen it in that angle. till now whatever he told her she was happy with that info.. she did not even want to know about his ex.. but here its too close for comfort.. its affecting him.. his family. .the very foundation of their equation..and WORK both of their first love.. she is BOUND to think. .but today if V just told her about Sabina.. that would put it to rest for her..

marrying a guy with a past is not playing second fiddle.. in todays day its unreal to expect your spouse to not have a past.. and who knows how many of them still dwell on it.. every equation has its space.. while that LOVER will always be a lover.. she will never be a WIFE.. D already has a separate place in Vs life.. She is his WIFE.. he just needs to put a pin on that to himself.. even in the past when he got upset about Mumbai Floats or someother times D knows rather well he is dwelling on his past.. and she has the strength to be at peace with it.. she wrote it in the letter.. she doesn't want to threaten his protectiveness but just wants him to acknowledge their relationship..

One more thing that most of us conveniently overlook is LIFE ISNT CONSTANT.. change is the only constant in life.. so if VV lived a different man for 28 yrs b4 Sabina walked in.. and influenced him enough to experiment with his humane side.. who is to say how D will influence him for the rest of his life.. she already does have a special place.. he already looks out for her interest.. pays heed to her ideas.. with time he may give in to the idea of loving her as his wife.. wanting a life with her.. coz its just EASY and good for EVERYONE apart from himself..

D walked into this equation knowing it was sorta farce.. now its not from her perspective.. but does the motive change.. she married coz of BB.. today if her expectations from the marriage has changed.. would finding out about Sabina want her to give up everything she found in the Virani household.. a Mother in Charu.. A godfather in IMV.. a protector in Baa.. A FRIEND and LOVE in her spouse.. if she is willing compromise on a lot of her ideologies when confronted with what are you willing to forego for it.. (Like IMV did in their last convo) her aghast face showed quite convincingly.. she WASNT willing to give it all up.. if she can compromise on her lofty ideals.. why wont she compromise with her IMPERFECT marriage.. she already is.. and she has the strength and positivity to make a dream out of this equation.. and given the opportunity SHE WILL..

All is still not over.. if one looks at the bigger picture.. Sabina's entry has thrown V and D on their individual journey.. confronting their demons. .their feelings.. their expectations.. as individuals.. the little time VD have been shown together.. their camaraderie is still on the same page irrespective of their individual battles.. they have wanted to keep it out of their mutual equation.. so the WANT for the equation at whatever levels is there from both ends.. so there's HOPE.. and the eagle eye of IMV would defo have seen it.. and he will use his diabolic means😆 to further this hope.. all in an attempt to bring order back in his world..

Edited by sonali.19281 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i think the nicest thing i seen in this forum of intelligent discussions is that despite liking of any character, i see that's not a blinding factor...for rather everyonez rationally evaluating every situation based on certain principles n views which they feel strongly towards n maturely speak on...( vs ex. the blindly favored characters in the Uttaran). This is very nice 2 see, n thus an entertaining read...
cheerz 2 all on excellence!👍🏼

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