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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: janavii

I don 't understand Y everybody is blaming V. He is not a superhero or something. he is a normal human being and he to has feelings. So whats wrong if he is behaving erratically? don't see the whole scenario as VD lovers. see it as a common person. I don't find anything absurd abt V's behavior. its D who has married for selfish reasons like Baa's health and all but V always maintained the honesty part and never misbehaved with D or given any chance for the crazy thoughts of love and all. He at every step kept on clear that D is only a good friend and nothings else. then Y is V wrong if he behaves as he does when he meets his first and only luv in 2 or 3 months. U mean u all wud consider him a good and stable person if he would have forgot his first luv within 2 months and get attracted and fall in luv with the the first girl who moves close to him ? even though it is his wife?


Guys n Gals, Iam not VD or VS lover. Iam neutral . Iam not supporting anyone. Jus suggesting the reality check. Thats it. OK no offense meant


First and foremost I absolutely disagree that only D was 'selfish' and married for selfish reasons .

ALL have married for personal reasons , even V . Yes he honestly told all and that was creditable indeed ...even he married for the sake of keeping the elders in his family happy .

If V honestly told ALL , D honestly ACCEPTED all . To this date she has NOT pressurized him or demanded more . She has developed feelings but she is AGAINST pressurizing him by holding up the We r After All Married Card .

No one is blaming V for being 'human'

No one is saying feelings go away in just two months

All r however saying is efforts should be made to MOVE ON .

Attempts to put the feelings for the first love aside and focus on the present should be made

S is affecting him professionally and personally both in a negative way now , he is a mess

If his HONESTY is being hailed so much Why is this honesty not shown in

Telling Devki the Truth

Breaking off marraige after realising that I love Sabina only and cannot get her out of the mind and dedicating life to pursuing HER

Why does he even want to have this farce of a marraige

Its a 3 month old marraige after all , unconsummated

Devki will readily give him divorce

Just like he gave her divorce papers on first night

But for that she HAS to know the truth

She is in the marraige as she has HOPE that his affair is OVER and he will come around with time

Let her understand na , that its NOT OVER yet and he JUST WONT COME AROUND

She will walk out with dignity

THATS REAL HONESTY FOR U

And if u want a typical Indian mentality reality check POV for this story ...YES he shud put his so called love affair of .how many days ...lets see ...a month ? BEHIND him and focus on the very real marraige of 3 months he has shared with Devki . When u marry , u MUST attempt to put ur numerous past affairs etc BEHIND as Marraige is not a joke . People will not think he is less of a human . Its simply called moving on .

And if one simply cannot move on ...set the spouse free by telling the truth . Stay in ur past then , its ur life !

Thats MY POV .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I think thats what V has said and done. He already said that he can't give her his luv and he has given the signed divorce papers on the first day of the marriage itself which says and shows that he least cares about this marriage. When V has kept everything about his luv life b4 D and said he can't give D luv, then D walked out saying then she can't marry him. At that time he didn't go and ask D, no pls come and marry for my elders etc etc. All the Virani's came to know the D rejected the marriage with V. Then also V helped her out when BB is not feeling only as a friend. Then where is the question of V marrying for his elders? And about set the spouse free, he has done it on the first day of their marriage itself. isn't it?
And about V moving on, come on yaar, it is his first and only luv, how can u think he can move on so soon even though he is married or one sided? if its a teenage luv or if she is a 50th girl he moved closely, he wouud have moved on. But she is the only woman to whom he is close and in luv in his late 20's which is fully matured age. Do u think it will be so easy to move on in these conditions?

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: janavii

I think thats what V has said and done. He already said that he can't give her his luv and he has given the signed divorce papers on the first day of the marriage itself which says and shows that he least cares about this marriage. When V has kept everything about his luv life b4 D and said he can't give D luv, then D walked out saying then she can't marry him. At that time he didn't go and ask D, no pls come and marry for my elders etc etc. All the Virani's came to know the D rejected the marriage with V. Then also V helped her out when BB is not feeling only as a friend. Then where is the question of V marrying for his elders? And about set the spouse free, he has done it on the first day of their marriage itself. isn't it?
And about V moving on, come on yaar, it is his first and only luv, how can u think he can move on so soon even though he is married or one sided? if its a teenage luv or if she is a 50th girl he moved closely, he wouud have moved on. But she is the only woman to whom he is close and in luv in his late 20's which is fully matured age. Do u think it will be so easy to move on in these conditions?


So why did he even agree to marry then ?😆😆 Some purpose must have been there na ? Why agree to a marraige ? Somewhere along he AGREED to a ritual called MARAIGE ...for WHAT ?
If he is this unafraid , this honest , why not extend that and say I will remain unmarried and be true to my love that failed ? Zaroorat Kya hai shaadi ki ?

I don't get it ! 😆 When one can easily show same guts and same honesty and be faithful to first love by being unmarried ...why go through this silly complicated process of Marrying , sharing a bedroom , remaining unconsummated , and telling wife U can walk out ha Anytime anyday !

Any need for the complications ? He did NOt exactly DENY marraige did he ? He did not even NEED it . Then WHY the marraige ...to oblige Devki ?

No , he too married ultimately for sake of Family . He laid all cards on the table , yes , but he too has married for sake of family as much as D has .

Why not attempt to move on ? Don't people in their twenties attempt to move on ? That woman left him without giving him a reason , That woman is MARRIED now from his POV ...he does not know the full story yet . From his POV she dumped him AND she got married . Even HE got married . So what is he gonna do , stay listening to ille ille in his head for the rest of his life and moon about her ?

So do na ! Do ! But break the marraige , how long does he think this Dosti Cum Compro contract marraige will go on ? FOREVER ? I thought he was mature !😆😆😆

With that logic even people who have extra marital affairs and sleep around can say We r Human after all ! We simply cannot forget our 'love' !
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Why here nobody seems to blame IMV. He is the one who steered whole mess. After D rejecting to marry V, IMV is the one who created consequences for D to marry V,on firsthand IMV is the oine who made V accept for marriage with D, then why IMV is admired. I also said earlier the this is the woman( S) to whom V has been really close for the first time in life, then how can he forget in 2 months of time where as his father is not able to forget his love even after 22 or 32 years of his marriage. U can point out that even though IMV has not forgot his luv he has been a good husband and given Charu 3 children. That is what the marriage is. That what u want that V forget everything (Or act to forget) and give D 3 children and then have separate bedrooms like IMV and Charu and have "a Parada " in between. Do u want V & D become another IMV & Charu by staying faithful to their compro marriage?
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Posted: 14 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: janavii

Why here nobody seems to blame IMV. He is the one who steered whole mess. After D rejecting to marry V, IMV is the one who created consequences for D to marry V,on firsthand IMV is the oine who made V accept for marriage with D, then why IMV is admired. I also said earlier the this is the woman( S) to whom V has been really close for the first time in life, then how can he forget in 2 months of time where as his father is not able to forget his love even after 22 or 32 years of his marriage. U can point out that even though IMV has not forgot his luv he has been a good husband and given Charu 3 children. That is what the marriage is. That what u want that V forget everything (Or act to forget) and give D 3 children and then have separate bedrooms like IMV and Charu and have "a Parada " in between. Do u want V & D become another IMV & Charu by staying faithful to their compro marriage?


Firstly IMV is a villainous anti hero kind of character , He will always do strange negative things that appear right to his POV .😆 He manipulates everything and everyone , he is the type who will even manipulate GOD .😆

Answering ur last underlined part :

No I do not want V's marraige to become an IMV Charu marraige . There was a scene in which Charu HERSELF old her son DO NOT turn ur marraige into OUR marraige .

She has seperate rooms AFTER 3 children and the business flourished ...she does have happy memories with him when they were not so rich , she keeps reminiscing those days .

But V has seperate Beds NOW itself .

So which marraige is bad ?

Why shud V allow his marraige to go his father's way NOW itself ? Better NOT to have a marraige rather than Have one and end it like his Father did right ? Isn't that what you are saying ?

When Charu showed him exactly this point that you have made today , why did V not THINK and come to conclusion

That What Mother says is right , I just dont feel attracted to this woman and after some children we may have seperate bedrooms like my parents ...so Better call this off NOW !

Why has not this realisation struck him ?

IMV did not forget his love of 32 years , true . But He had an arranged marraige , so Charu did NOT expect love etc . Arranged marraiges r deals for life in which primarily it is seen to that the girl gets a life in which she is provided for , has children , and lives comfortably . No woman expects love etc in an aranged marraige , its an understood fact that all such sentiments come by and by or sometimes r hardly there . It is generally expected in arranged marraige that love comes as years go with companionship .

And IMV did provide well , had children and a marital life . They have seperate bedrooms NOW , but their companionship exists . Charu thirsts for LOVE but she is practical enough to know that not all get it and hers was after all an arranged marraige !

Very practical woman . Not that IMV is right here , mind u .Am not justifying him . But this is what happened in THEIR marraige .

So she told her son ...Look , this happened in my marraige , you dont go on same path .

Son shud consider this na ? He shud decide that no way r we gonna land in seperate bedrooms later ...hell , we r in seperate beds NOW only ! So lets cut it HERE only , or it will lead to misery , Mom is warning me !

Why is he not doing that ?

Does he think Marraige is a siuation for ETERNAL DOSTII ?😆 Which film did he see ? Tht he has not even THOUGHT once that hell , one day I will have to consummate , think of kids ...will i EVER be able to do that ?

Neither has he thought nor D !

Both put a front in front of elders ...WHY ? Honesty is something to be proud of , isn't it ? The partition in IMV and Charu's room is open to the whole house , the full house knows they now sleep seperately , there is no FRONT !

But V and D r putting on a Front !

IMV had no illusions about what a marraige would entail . When he committed , he gave his wife all the practical things ...consummation , children , good proviision .

When they seperated , he did not HIDE . I see honesty there . IMV has not promised Charu LOVE , he gave a commitment , fulfilled it , when seperated , it was for all to see . He has not hidden anything from family . Charu HAD expected her arrange marraige wud one day find LOVE in companionship like most girls do , to date she has not got it , but she is so fulfilled in other ways ...lovely in laws , children etc , and moreover SHE has found love for her husband from HER end ...Thats enough for her to stay in the marraige and pull on ! She has taken a decision and frankly does not expect more !

It appears as if D is turning out like Charu . She has found love but she does not expect V to have it and if he cannot give it , is satisfied with his Dosti offer !

V is honest to D but HIDES from all . If his father slept seperately later , he is doing so NOW only ! And he gives no cause for hope to his young wife except ETERNAL DOSTI while he moons on his dates with Sabina !

Mooning over Chandraprabha in private moments did not stop IMV from being a responsible husband !

Neither did Charu , who was as practical as Devki , expect love etc from him , she accepted her husband as he was ! She had a life , in laws , children to look forward to !

But she warned her son and told him that there r moments of unhappiness in my picture perfect life ! U please AVOID going our way !

Has son done it ? Nope ! He is going a Far more worse way !

I too do not want him to end like IMV Charu . Thats why I say he shud break up with D . After observing his Parents marraige and dwelling on mom's warning if he still thinks its best to continue THIS way only ...God help him , he gets no sympathy from me at least .








Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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excellent points kools, i agree with u on almost all the points this time😆😆

even this marriage has responsibilities, he has said devki that he will not be able to love her but other than that he said he will give her everything😆
and yes abhi toh sirf 2 months huye hain
have these two thought abt the future
baa baapuji r dreaming of grandkids, bha kaa bhi yehi sapna hain , they married for the sake of their families right, so yeh zaroorat bhi toh poori karni padegi naa
and con does not come in love😆vv has to do it one day , he cant delay it forever, if he is not able to do it yes then he has to separate from d
and reg d being selfish , i disagree completely , yes d married for the sake of bha and so did v
he perfectly knew he would not be able to get rid of his ille ille addiction, then he could have remained single forever
he agreed to marry devki naa , so vv does notget a clean chit here , absolutely not
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Posted: 14 years ago
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excellent points kools, i agree with u on almost all the points this time😆😆

even this marriage has responsibilities, he has said devki that he will not be able to love her but other than that he said he will give her everything😆
and yes abhi toh sirf 2 months huye hain
have these two thought abt the future
baa baapuji r dreaming of grandkids, bha kaa bhi yehi sapna hain , they married for the sake of their families right, so yeh zaroorat bhi toh poori karni padegi naa
and con does not come in love😆vv has to do it one day , he cant delay it forever, if he is not able to do it yes then he has to separate from d
and reg d being selfish , i disagree completely , yes d married for the sake of bha and so did v
he perfectly knew he would not be able to get rid of his ille ille addiction, then he could have remained single forever
he agreed to marry devki naa , so vv does notget a clean chit here , absolutely not


And even that eternal Dosti offer anmol , He is now saying Sabina is my Eternal Dost ! She is behind Mumbai Floats ! She is first my fRIEND , this and that ! Even the mantle of FRIEND he is giving Sabina only so what remains with poor Devki ? Na Wife in real sense , Na Lover , Na friend ! Sab Kuch Sabeena hi hai ! Toh phir shaadi kyu ki bhai ? Divorce and do Sabina jaap ! Full day sit in office and listen to ille ille ille and smile vacantly by day dreaming !
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


And even that eternal Dosti offer anmol , He is now saying Sabina is my Eternal Dost ! She is behind Mumbai Floats ! She is first my fRIEND , this and that ! Even the mantle of FRIEND he is giving Sabina only so what remains with poor Devki ? Na Wife in real sense , Na Lover , Na friend ! Sab Kuch Sabeena hi hai ! Toh phir shaadi kyu ki bhai ? Divorce and do Sabina jaap ! Full day sit in office and listen to ille ille ille and smile vacantly by day dreaming !

yup i raised the same point in other thread, that did hurt , devki kam se kam iss se khush thi ki vv considers her as his only friend, lekin ab yeh title bhi gaya madam ke haath se
i felt really bad looking at d face
thode din pehle bade shaan se bola tha , d u r my only friend
yup this was cheating in a way,
agar woh sudhar nahin sakta toh yes separate ho jaao and do ille ille while sitiing in basti😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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👏 wow ,what a discussion ...? we lov. v v...a friend in need is a friend indeed ... if vv consider d his true friend,he must has shared the name of his ex-girl friend...but...sad ".he agreed to marry devki naa , so vv does notget a clean chit here , absolutely not"GOOD👏 INTRUDERFAST" i totally agree...with u...ek song only for v v..."kuch to log kahenge, logo ka kaam hai kehna...chodo bekaar ...raina.😊

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Lot said and rolled while I slept in peace with my tired frame😆

Janavi: I understand your point of one should not blame VV ..and trust me inspite of everyone's individual grouse they are trying to see behind his pain.. if anything some of us have been pissed off at Sabina's excessive trying to help VD.. (I still feel its not her place).. yes that man is a mess.. so was IMV after the CP rendezvous.. but all it took was Charu telling him your unrest is causing stir in our children's peace.. and he took control.. he is RESPONSIBLE..

as for VV he has been extremely responsible till recently.. even after Sid told him are you willing to give up on this marriage.. coz if you do you will regret it.. the fact that he comes and apologizes to the girl goes to say he doesnt wanna let go of the marriage.. IDK if its still only for the family.. or subconsciously for himself too.. what VS had may be real.. but what VD had was definitely real.. and what they COULD have is more REAL..

we dont blame IMV.. coz he is very clear.. his conviction reaches to us like no one else's.. he is sorted.. he wants this for himself.. he wants that out of someone else.. he doesnt make bones about being UNFAIR.. he does what suits him and in turn it does benefit his family in the longer run.. bowing down to Vs love for S would have damaged his empire.. torn his family apart.. why would he do it.. also he had his grand revenge to further.. his aim in life.. good or bad.. its HIS..

compare to VV.. he was sorted.. he got married for the family.. wasnt ready for involvement but to some levels did get involved with the girl and fact remains he would have yielded completely into it.. coz I trust D in her ways.. the LOOK he gave her on the b'day was a START.. before madame-ex walked in and he is in his royal regression.. head desk.. all he needs is TIME OUT.. to think for himself and the people around him.. like Vicky told Sabina.. what do you want... and when she told him.. I am not willing to ruin other's dreams.. he told her fine then don't play middle path.. do something once and for all for closure..

VV needs an IMV dose.. oh do you want that girl.. what are you willing to give up for that.. VV needs to think. .he definitely WONT give up on his marriage.. but then be TRUE to it.. even if you are not ready to love her back.. TELL HER.. SHARE EVERYTHING like you have in the past.. she cant make sense of your eccentricity.. maybe if you can't help yourself.. she can help you.. by knowing everything.. either she wld walk out and set you free.. coz its not her place (which she wont coz this alliance for her binds her to Charu and IMV and the rest of the family as much as VV) or she will be your medicine.. she will sooth you out of that pain.. and make you love her.. she CAN.. I have total faith in her strength of simplicity..

@Paaji and Kools: we have gone back and forth.. and you know my takes on most things.. only the heir stuff.. reminds me of the honeymoon phase.. the only time this conundrum came up.. when V said today they want honeymoon.. tomorrow they may want kids.. what do they DO then.. it was a hanging question😆.. he defo hasnt thought abt it.. and in todays day and age.. if you want something.. there are loads of ways.. scientifically.. 😉 it depends to WHAT extent VD are willing to go to fool the family in order to fulfill their wishes and also keep their stand intact.. when they got into this so-called open marriage D wasnt in love with him either.. so they were both on the same page with fooling the family.. they hadn't given a thought to the far future.. decided to take it one day at a time.. also reminds me of when Charu found out abt VD sleeping arrangement and he gets a dose.. he comes and tells her.. I thought this will come out.. but never thought it will come out soon.. so he did presume he had to confront the mess they had gotten themselves into consciously one fine day.. but did not have a solution yet
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