Can some please define what a trained dance is?

All I hear is Mahi and Chang are not trained dancers while Yana and Sushant are trained dancers and so the show is not fair, well this is what i think.....

Originally posted by: flora

Can some please define what a trained dance is?

All I hear is Mahi and Chang are not trained dancers while Yana and Sushant are trained dancers and so the show is not fair, well this is what i think.....

Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa is an adoption of "dancing with the stars" and "strictly come dancing" which a supposed to be ball room type of dance.

Are we saying that Sushant and Yana are trained in all the forms of dance like salsa, mambo, the Argentine Tango, jive, cha-cha-cha, Paso Doble, waltz, contemporary, stomping, hip-hop etc?

I believe the right thing we should be saying is that Sushant and Yana have a better sense of rhythm than Mahi and Cheng had when they first come on the show;...... if not people like Mel B, Brooke Burke, Lil' Kim , Toni Braxon, Alesha Dixon, kristi Yamaguchi, Hard kaur ......... (and the list goes on) should not have been on any of the shows as they were all musically incline.

I am not an fan of Sushant or Yana's but I do appreciate the work that all the dancers put into their routines, The choreographers have a-lot to do with this, if their routine is good and they know their partners strengths and use them well then they will always look awesome ⭐️on the dance floor.......

this is my opinion, if you feel I am wrong then enlighten me.....

good post. sushant is nly trained in maritial arts and jazz. not all forms.

Excellent post! Thank you for pointing out this fact...... Some ppl REFUSE to understand this since like AGES and continue to japo the "this is a show for non-dancers" raag😆

The original format of the show is "Dancing with the STARS"....doesn't specify anything about whether the stars need to be trained or not.....they are from all walks of life.....the only thing they share in common is that they are celebrities....that is all they need to be on this show.....lol

Very good post.

The format of the show is to have celebrities form different walks- so I don't find anything wrong. However since people do bring the 'trained dancer' point again and again, I shall try to put forth my own thoughts on the issue- especially about the common ideology doing the rounds that a non-dancer deserves to win and a trained dancer does not.

(I do not know much about Yana's training so can't comment on that in detail. I'm using sushant as an example to point out my views. But these same stand for Yana also. Even though trained, I feel she too deserves to win.)

Sushant is not trained in all the dance forms. He is only trained in Jazz. When he was given a form like Locking and Popping, he was confused since he did not even know what it was. He learnt it from the beginning.

Sometimes this training even goes against him. In ZNKD, when they were doing a staccato dance, (dressed like zombies) Vaibhavi picked on Sushant saying that the Jazz effect in his movements was easily visible and so it looked odd and wrong in this particular dance.

As such, Sushant too must have tried hard in all these weeks to make sure that while doing a Samba, Salsa or Flamenco, his Jazz style should not come in the dance. The effort to unlearn and then learn is there from his side.

He has done more dance forms than others. He has even tried something like Chhau which was more like semi-classical with all those postures and stuff.

I agree with what you said that it all boils down to the choreo to identify his protegee's hidden talent and make good use of it. This is what I have been saying since the beginning of JDJ. Last year, Sonia was the choreo of Baichung Bhutia who did not know anything about dancing. She capitalised on his agility and came up with good concepts to make him win. Ditto for others.

The contestants are wax in the hands of the choreos. The choreos have to identify the best way in which to mould them. If I take Shampa's example, she makes use of Sushant's expressions in the best possible way, which I feel is frankly the best part of his dance. (Now expressions have nothing to do with training, right???) Also she makes use of his martial arts training, like in Chhau.

At the end of the day, I feel that whether trained/untrained, all these celebrities are doing their best and toiling a lot. I don't agree with what people say that only the non-dancer works hard. If I take Sushant's case--- he comes up with new innovative concepts every week and he and his choreo together execute it to perfection. They try to devise their acts in a way that they would be technically perfect as well as their acts would have something so that the common man, who doesn't know the exact difference between a Samba and a Salsa, can enjoy it. Their acts are touching and leave you with a different feeling each time. And all this, while the guy toils hard in a daily soap with not much hours to spare (Yana and Chang get this advantage that they get much more time to rehearse). Many times Sushant compromises on his sleep to prepare a 'Purr-fect' act. He did not sleep for 3 days in the teen ka tadka round.

Many feel that he had an advantage in comparison to others cos he had a better sense of beat etc. due to his prior training. But then others have advantages too-- some were not bound in time constraints too like the others. (since they were not soap stars)

If we are saying that this competition is unfair cos some were trained and some were not, then we must also agree on the fact that the casting was not fair cos some have got much more time and some have not. (being soap stars). The equality is still not there. Consider BOTH the facts and then analyse or stop cribbing.😃

Personally what I feel is this --- the contestants KNEW what they were getting into. They knew some of their opponents were trained and yet they agreed for the show. Similarily, some other contestants knew that they would be getting less time in comparison to others (since they worked in daily soaps) and yet agreed for the competition. So now, making a hue and a cry over BOTH these matters is not fair.

The effort ALL of them put in their performances, and their honesty, must be respected. The ultimate decision should be only on the dance done and not on the basis of 'he was trained, while others were not.' If the production house offered the show to a trained dancer, its not his fault! He has done his acts with all sincerity and dedication, and I feel that he should not be made to pay for the production house's "casting error" (as people call it).

Very well said, Nikita........at the end of the day, it is not about the best "trained/untrained" dancer winning or that only the untrained ones be applauded since they are more challenged dancing-wise.

EVERYONE is working hard....in the end, the person who's choreographer uses his/her strengths and abilities in the best possible manner is the one that deserves the praise.....

But I guess.....at the end of the day, this is a popularity contest to an extent as well and the audience will vote for the contestant that they like the most even if it doesn't necessarily have much to do with dancing in some cases......lol

I agree with you nureat. In fact, if you look at it closely, there are many places where the casting may look 'unfair': For example:::::

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Originally posted by: nikitagmc

Sometimes this training even goes against him. In ZNKD, when they were doing a staccato dance, (dressed like zombies) Vaibhavi picked on Sushant saying that the Jazz effect in his movements was easily visible and so it looked odd and wrong in this particular dance.

I agree with you

As such, Sushant too must have tried hard in all these weeks to make sure that while doing a Samba, Salsa or Flamenco, his Jazz style should not come in the dance. The effort to unlearn and then learn is there from his side.

I completely agree with you

He has done more dance forms than others. He has even tried something like Chhau which was more like semi-classical with all those postures and stuff.

I agree with what you said that it all boils down to the choreo to identify his protegee's hidden talent and make good use of it. This is what I have been saying since the beginning of JDJ. Last year, Sonia was the choreo of Baichung Bhutia who did not know anything about dancing. She capitalised on his agility and came up with good concepts to make him win. Ditto for others.

For the first time I really appreciated Mahi dance last week as she was given floor contemporary and Savio produced a routine that was worth watching. I think Savio see her like Hard Kaur and as such produces energetic routine which Mahi cannot alway cope.

The contestants are wax in the hands of the choreos. The choreos have to identify the best way in which to mould them. If I take Shampa's example, she makes use of Sushant's expressions in the best possible way, which I feel is frankly the best part of his dance. (Now expressions have nothing to do with training, right???) Also she makes use of his martial arts training, like in Chhau.

This is why I blame Savio😡 for not bringing out the very best in Mahi

At the end of the day, I feel that whether trained/untrained, all these celebrities are doing their best and toiling a lot. I don't agree with what people say that only the non-dancer works hard. If I take Sushant's case--- he comes up with new innovative concepts every week and he and his choreo together execute it to perfection. They try to devise their acts in a way that they would be technically perfect as well as their acts would have something so that the common man, who doesn't know the exact difference between a Samba and a Salsa, can enjoy it. Their acts are touching and leave you with a different feeling each time. And all this, while the guy toils hard in a daily soap with not much hours to spare (Yana and Chang get this advantage that they get much more time to rehearse). Many times Sushant compromises on his sleep to prepare a 'Purr-fect' act. He did not sleep for 3 days in the teen ka tadka round.

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Many feel that he had an advantage in comparison to others cos he had a better sense of beat etc. due to his prior training. But then others have advantages too-- some were not bound in time constraints too like the others. (since they were not soap stars)

That is the effort that i am talking about, the one we should appreciate, I remember the day they announce that the contestant would give double routines....... how sushant, ragini ankita and Mahi looked, I felt bad for them due to their time pressure...... still I saw two very lovely performance sushant 👏👏👏👏

i love this post =D 👍🏼