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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

One thing is confusing me...what is compelling Sudarshan to continue to support Kala? Why isnt he turning against her? Till now we know Kala showed him the carrot of becoming first Dutta's right hand man and later the bhau himself to get him to act on her behalf. But after holding her family hostage Kala showed Suds his place as her right hand man.
But the business Dutta was in and which Kala is trying to get into is not(excuse me all mahila mukti party ppl) for women. Its primarily a man's business where brute force is required to establish oneself. So what is compelling Suds to continue tolerating Kala's insults and stay with her? Why isnt he turning against her when obviously she must depend on him to get her orders implemented. I am also sure that by now he has stolen enuf from Dutta to hire his own guards too if thats stopping him.

I think that the answer lies in Suds character and his relationship to Kala, somehow. Despite the fact that Kala actually broke her so-called "promise" to him about making him Bhao, he remains loyal to her out of a reverent fear, I suppose. I mean, Suds is a chicken at heart. He doesn't have the - for the lack of a better term - "qualities" to gain and sustain Bhao's position. Kala does, but being a woman, she's much more vulnerable/exposed to threats. From the very start, Suds has followed her orders like a good pet dog. She has planned Bhao's fall and made him do the dirty work. He's not capable of anything else. He doesn't know the human mind as well as Kala does. She sees people's weaknesses and attacks them. Dutta had another strategy to remove his own enemies. Suds talks big, points his gun, and that's really all he can do.
Regarding why he's still supporting Kala - what else can he do now? He's been exposed to the family. He's done a lot of dirty work in order to remove Bhao from PN. Kala might take his spot, but at least she'll still keep him closer to the throne of power than he was before. However, I think, that in the long run - if her reign continues - he will eventually begin to plot against her. The man is incapable of loyalty. He will always switch to the winning side and declare his loyalty there.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I guess he has gone too far, so he has to be on team Kala.
Besides if he is against Kala he will die and he will die when Dutta comes back, so he might just enjoy some power for the short period he has to live. 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I think that the answer lies in Suds character and his relationship to Kala, somehow. Despite the fact that Kala actually broke her so-called "promise" to him about making him Bhao, he remains loyal to her out of a reverent fear, I suppose. I mean, Suds is a chicken at heart. He doesn't have the - for the lack of a better term - "qualities" to gain and sustain Bhao's position. Kala does, but being a woman, she's much more vulnerable/exposed to threats. From the very start, Suds has followed her orders like a good pet dog. She has planned Bhao's fall and made him do the dirty work. He's not capable of anything else. He doesn't know the human mind as well as Kala does. She sees people's weaknesses and attacks them. Dutta had another strategy to remove his own enemies. Suds talks big, points his gun, and that's really all he can do.
Regarding why he's still supporting Kala - what else can he do now? He's been exposed to the family. He's done a lot of dirty work in order to remove Bhao from PN. Kala might take his spot, but at least she'll still keep him closer to the throne of power than he was before. However, I think, that in the long run - if her reign continues - he will eventually begin to plot against her. The man is incapable of loyalty. He will always switch to the winning side and declare his loyalty there.


Ana😡Where have you been re!!!! Are you naaraz with me???😕 😭If so...how dare you be naaraaz with me😡😆
I have almost made the same points...but have not been able to put in as good words as you...
I personally think that Both of them are incapable of loyatly... I mean Kala is more likely to kick him out or make him a perfect Judas goat...And Suds ...well, Rats always leave the sinking ship first...so both are likely to dispense with each other at the first available option...but I don't think we will have to wait this long...Usse pehle hi Sher ayega....or in chamgadado ko finish kar dega😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Srushti-


Ana😡Where have you been re!!!! Are you naaraz with me???😕 😭If so...how dare you be naaraaz with me😡😆
I have almost made the same points...but have not been able to put in as good words as you...
I personally think that Both of them are incapable of loyatly... I mean Kala is more likely to kick him out or make him a perfect Judas goat...And Suds ...well, Rats always leave the sinking ship first...so both are likely to dispense with each other at the first available option...but I don't think we will have to wait this long...Usse pehle hi Sher ayega....or in chamgadado ko finish kar dega😆

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Nahi re, Srush. Why would I be naraaz with my lovely gadhi? 🤗I've just been really sick and then the news of Mishal's replacement came along... dil hi nahi kiya ke online hoon... But I'm feeling better now, so don't worry, dear.
Itne posts miss kiye Confused I can't find the strength to go through so many threads. I'm just jumping in wherever 😆 Lekin haan, Judas' goat 🤣
Did Judas have a goat?
He should. Name it Suds.
Anyways, Suds ka to baand bajne wala hai soon. Dutta ko wapas aane do zara. Then we'll see whose side he's on 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Srushti-


Secondly, Kala has that power, the charisma... ofcourse she is D's sister, bound to, but the charisma is of attracting the wrong kind of people... Dutta's aura attracts people like Nakku, Baaji (plz dont add Seema's name to this list🤢) and Kala's charm attracts people like Suds, Chaskar....

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very interesting question, Ksh. You know, a similar thought occurred to me while watching Monday's episode --- in that scene where Suds presents himself to Kala with their 'loyal men' after bumping off all of Dutta's, and she tells him that if he wants, he can call her Kala --- there was a bit in it where she walks around her chair, goes from infront of the BGs who are surrounding them and comes to stand in front of Suds, which was a deja vu moment of sorts...it took me back to the scene where Nakku Bhao was standing in the midst of all those burly and rowdy men burning the town, ordering and jamaoing her control over them. That visual of a seemingly dainty woman being in command...which looks so unusual that you are forced to evaluate the really, how and why of the scene with a double take, nahi? Same was the case with that instantaneous moment of Kala so freely moving about all those men with greater physical power and ammunition which made me wildly think in that second...why haven't a group of the BGs conspired amongst themselves to assassinate her? Pull out a gun right there with utmost ease and send one through her...what is stopping them from overpowering her when she is pretty much defenseless at their mercy?

So yes, I totally agree with you...this idea of a woman, and women like Kala and Nakku especially, being able to head such a business openly seems very impossible and most unusual. Nakku's case is obvious in why and how she isn't fit for this...but for Kala too...she is not a woman who does personally...she is a woman who thinks and provokes...so she can control things from the shadows with the masterful psychological influence she possesses and manipulate the major strings of such a business, yes...but to openly be the queen...she does not have the magnanimous persona of the streets, of invincibility, of being grand and hard at the same time...something like what Dutta has...his opponents know just from his name that he is someone to be reckoned with...he is a force in and of himself. But Kala doesn't have that...she doesn't have years of that reputation to make her untouchable...and the biggest chink in her armor is that she is an usurper. So though Suds needs her, she actually also needs him just as desperately...because on her own, without the brute force of man power underneath her, she is not equipped in persona or character to rule a whole region and that too in the seat of a feudal lord. Women who do have such a capability possess almost a god-mother like aura around themselves in terms of the respect they invoke in their subjects...Kala doesn't have that. Her rule is momentary...and the only way it can last is through the shadows...she can never be a long term and big game player because there will be other giants, more experienced, gritty and powerful in the business, who will overstep her little kingdom and easily swallow it down.

Now as for why Suds is still supporting her...there used to be a cartoon called Pinky and the Brain, and the Kala-Suds pair really and seriously reminds me of that 😆 Kala of course being the Brain and Suds the Pinky, who is too feeble-minded and wimpish on his own to get anywhere. It's an alliance for survival...Kala cannot trust anyone else...so she snaps him up to execute her plans keeping in mind all his weaknesses and jamaoes bhav over him to keep him grounded and beneath herself...he sees Kala as the master-mind who can pave way to a life of power, control and material luxury, things which an influentially mediocre and forgettable person like him has probably stewed over his whole life...so he lets her guide him, because I honestly don't think Suds is as possessed with the idea of ruling like Kala is, and he cares more for the benefits (money, women, etc.) that he can get out of following her plans. However, the day when either one of them is pushed over the edge or sees an opening, they will finish each other off. If Kala gets another 'paltu aur wafadaar kutta' to be her more efficient subordinate, she will cut off Suds' wings and throw him out on the street. When Suds gets sick and tired of Kala's needling or snotty airs, he will take her down himself. But for now, in the middle of their grand hostage plan, he is still too in awe of what she might be thinking and doing to contemplate killing her...so he bears the obvious put downs and keeps at the job because he knows there's still time to go yet until they reach their 'destination.' But even before getting there, we've already seen the seeds of dissension between them...when things start snowballing for them, both do not remain on the same page...he pokes at the failure of her plans and she pokes at his inability to do anything properly...so when Dutta comes around and undoes their work, they will have another meltdown, another argument, and in that itself they will most probably internally combust. For now, they are co-existing out of need and circumstances, on both ends, not just one. In a pressure situation, they will act without thinking and make holes in their own ship. Tai tai fish 😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
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^^ Amazing answer 👏 Dutta's BGs are totally useless, thus they haven't used their brains to think that they could easily nipta Kala 😛.
And haha, Pinky and the Brain- that was like my favourite cartoon when I was a child *sings* 'pinky and the brain, pinky and the brain, one is a genius, the other's insane' 🤣 Oh man, you just reminded me of so much of my childhood 🤣 x
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Fatty: Fantastic points! *Applauds*
Coming to Naku vs Kala point I feel though most people in the forum didnt like it Naku's case when she stops the rioting crowd was different from Kala. Naku has a similar aura to AS who in the beginning was shown to be a very respected figure by virtue of being Duttabhau's mother. Dutta's aura has similarly rubbed off on Naku as after him the villagers looked up to her since everyone else from his family(esp AS) took a backseat when it came to assuring them. Plus Naku had Baji with her who has the same experience as Dutta and is as loyal to her as he is to Dutta. Also Naku was trying to control a bunch of normal villagers whose profession isnt violence.
But Kala's case is totally different. She is among a bunch of goons whose profession is violence supported by the weak-minded Sudarshan who never had the guts to stand up against Dutta. It might have perhaps been more digestable if Kala would have say taken over Dutta's finances especially his legal businesses as when it comes to legal business lots of women can reach and stay at the top simply on brainpower. But I guess the makers wanted to show Kala as Dutta bhau's challenger in the true sense.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

@Fatty: Fantastic points! *Applauds*
Coming to Naku vs Kala point I feel though most people in the forum didnt like it Naku's case when she stops the rioting crowd was different from Kala. Naku has a similar aura to AS who in the beginning was shown to be a very respected figure by virtue of being Duttabhau's mother. Dutta's aura has similarly rubbed off on Naku as after him the villagers looked up to her since everyone else from his family(esp AS) took a backseat when it came to assuring them. Plus Naku had Baji with her who has the same experience as Dutta and is as loyal to her as he is to Dutta. Also Naku was trying to control a bunch of normal villagers whose profession isnt violence.
But Kala's case is totally different. She is among a bunch of goons whose profession is violence supported by the weak-minded Sudarshan who never had the guts to stand up against Dutta. It might have perhaps been more digestable if Kala would have say taken over Dutta's finances especially his legal businesses as when it comes to legal business lots of women can reach and stay at the top simply on brainpower. But I guess the makers wanted to show Kala as Dutta bhau's challenger in the true sense.


Ksh, I agree with you. And this was extensively discussed during the Vahini Saheb track too, that on paper, Nakku assuming a role of leadership as Dutta's 'widow' and the people respecting and upholding her for it was believable and even made sense...because in Nakku's character sketch, there is the element of influence through words and motivation, of being a guide, so it's understandable that the people would see her as a figure worthy of acceptance and respect. However, in execution, because of the way Nakku has been put to life and how MV looks, the influential and regal persona required isn't there to 'sell' that image...which isn't something bad at all, mind you --- it's actually one of Nakku's biggest plus points, that contrast between the simplicity of her words and mannerisms, yet the effect she can have on people --- but in this case, seeing that physically wasn't believable...those villagers might not have had a profession in violence, but there is a tendency of violence in every person, and with people like these, I would think that there is more uncontrolled and unpredictable a tendency than the BGs who are trained (supposedly 😆) and expected to be in some order of discipline at least...if Nakku had been played in a different way by a diametrically different-looking actress, maybe the aura of control and influence required in the scene could have made it believable...but Nakku being able to control those villagers who were out for destruction, and Kala ruling over a bunch of trained men who (should) have the killer instincts and full opportunity to end her business here and now are both equally unbelievable for me. Whatever little difference there is between them is crossed out by one being more sensible on paper, and the other, Aashka's screen presence, being more convincing in execution.

As for the financial part...Kala is very money-minded...she got the 20 lacs for Chaskar too, so there is some way that she does monitor and make financial transactions as well...and you're right, being brainy in that department is definitely something which can help Kala stay at the top of the ladder, but on the violent side of the business, sooner or later, I think it is inevitable that she will be betrayed by her own camp or brought down by another...so again, I can't see a 'satta' in which Kala could ever rule and remain queen openly, because no matter how hard she tries, she just doesn't have it...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Fatty: Not only Kala had money to bride Chaskar after Dutta's supposed death...she even had money to cause bomb blasts during the DP track when she was out of Dutta house supposedly away from Dutta's financial resources living as a simple school teacher's wife.

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