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Posted: 14 years ago
love the conversations among saffs, tanya and jaanu -- coming here uplifts me because SOTD understands the essential goodness of Arman. And I have believed -- and will continue to believe -- that goodness is what makes the world go around. Talking of which, the complaint till now was that Arman were too sacrificing and too unrealistically mahan. Now that they have finally realised their love for one another, savita is calling them selfish and uncaring. Only last week, they showed archana listening in sweetly to Damo-Sav conversation, She holds no grudge against a mil who wants nothing more than to see her dead. What better proof of her goodness? Must Arch always run after her mil and fall at her feet? Even if she did, won't her mil curse her and kick her out?
@hardyboy, I really appreciate what you have written about living in chawls and being the sole bread winner. But equally, you'll agree with me that times are changing; mumbai has always been ahead of itself, and the fact that you are now living in Pune testifies to the possibilities of advancement the city offers. And once members move out, families automatically become more nuclear. Unlike Delhi, which is a babu city, Mumbai truly celebrates enterprise though some of that has now gone with the kind of corrosive politics that has taken over.
Coming to mother-child relationship, it is undoubtedly special but no mother ought to turn the fact of the child's birth into an eternal karz that can be repaid only by the child being in bonded labour to the mother. That is so melodramatic, exploitative and OTT. There is another point here:. Why does the son have to bear all of the responsibility of being in debt to the mother? The premise seems to be that the son ought not to go away ever, no matter how badly he is treated. This is so regressive. Aren't we feeding into partriarchal notions of son preference when we constantly ask the son to fulfil his duties towards his mother?( Does the mother have no duties towards the son?) How is that the mother is so easily able to gift away the daughter? Why is she paraya dhan? Was she not born of the same womb? And if so why is there no umbilical attachment and why is she not in debt to her mother? The sad thing is when a daughter does try to help her parents or her maternal family, she is seen as bartering away the sasural's interests.
The sky high expectations of the son and the belief that he is divinely ordained to look after the parents, is the reason why eastern societies kill unborn daughters. Why is sex-selective abortion not common in the west? Because for all its other faults, the west does not glorify the mother-son relationship the way we do. For the daughter it is even worse: she is paraya dhan for her own parents; yet in her marital family she has often to tolerate vile abuse.
The upshot of son preference -- and the daughter being treated as paraya dhan -- is that even when a son is financially able to live separately and look after his parents, he is made to feel guilty for even considering the option ( not in real life so much as in TV soaps). Anything like that becomes a betrayal. Case in point: Vinod and manju wanted to live in their flat but sulo got all tearful and emotional about it. Had they stayed separately, the K parents would have been better off. There wouldn't be the daily problems between the mil and dil. Isn't it better to be happy living apart than unhappy living together -- assuming this is financially possible?
But the worst double standard in PR is the constrasting relationships between sav and manav and sachu and shravani. The mother who is so accusatory of her son because he has left her has strangely no compunctions about separating another mother from her infant child. In your own case you want your married son to be tied to your pallu but you don't want your grandson to spend even his infant days with his mother. What irony!!! And it truly beats me that sravani is offering no child support to her baby. Sending a couple of 100$ once in a while ought to be the easiest thing for her, and yet she has left her only child in the care of an aged couple with no wherewithal. How absurd is this. What if the old couple were to die tomorrow?
SOTD, many, many thanks.
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Posted: 14 years ago

@ vidyasu1

As is your habit, articulate and relevant.

Long since wondered, the burden of blame on Archana, over presumed snapping of two sons from a mother- the One who had been base instrument in cunningly bringing this innocent girl down to her miserable world in the first place.

Edited by smrth - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
Hey Vidyasu1 and smrth,I think we wrote some similiar posts,and I enjoyed urs too - hope you drop in when u get a chance🤗
smrth,I too feel that savita likes to think she is going thru victimhood,while being the zaalim from day 1 alongside manju and sees that as the shortcut to success - if she had a point to prove,she wud have rejected evil ajit and brought her daughter back to finish her education,and given a thappad to manju for calling manav a chor - she wud have told dhammu,no need to do ehsaan on us,we will repay the 3 lakhs,and dont need a job for my son in ur factory,instead she blasted her son to go and get Archu committed to Jay,while it was none of her business -
She harps on sachin's death to Archu and not 1 word to vandu's nanand manju on it mind u,not 1 word - if she is so blunt and strong,let her show her strong arm tactics on the strong rassi and manju - but the fact that she beats up Archu and emotionally blackmails Manav shows a classic zaalim attitude - prey on the weak.The way she snatched the baby from the mother was her classic devious way as usual,emotional blackmail and then run for it.
Vidyasu1,especially the part about the financial dependence - she was demanding money from Manav when he had no job yaar😕maybe she wanted him to sell a kidney or something,that is wat loyal sons in mumbai do maybeHe simply makes nothing of significance yet,while damo seems to be doing pretty ok-but she cant appreciate her hubby even nowIt is not about money,it is always about power u know😕sadly,Archu is not even contesting and savita is writing election manifestoes against her already😆love for love vs love for power - MIL-DIL stories are about one of them wanting absolute power,and it is a reality,no myth,especially in desi culture
End of the day,there is no justification to misplaced anger and pure maniacal ego,savita,rassi,no difference,fitrath dono ki right now is the same and giving into it,will mean extracting her pound of flesh of ArMan and breed more egoistic heads of her - ego exists,inflates ,pokes,ruins and then deflates - to me some chrs speak by their deeds,them thumping their chests only reenforces that empty vessels make more noise😳the hollowness of bringing up her grief for sachin long lost when she sees ArMan together and her shallowness in espousing Manav's respect and happiness,when she has publicly humiliated him directly, and tries to separate ArMan repeatedly,only rings of a lack of strength of character that insists on living at the expense of others,not in conjuction...I think it is a deep rooted desi mentality actually,crab in well pulls the other crab down😆 - zindagi fitrath ki baath hai finally😕
In my opinion,there are no gray shades - each deed is propelling toward a heaven or hell situation,coz nothing in between has been designated - unless one shows dilemma in one's positiion,ability to change directions is nil - and savita shows none right now.Positiveness will come when she starts showing that dilemma,until then she is negative,period.
Gud nite ...was a nice chat after a long time😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
Wow wat an interesting conversation going on here with my favourite debaters Saff n Smrth with Vidyasu (who i haven't got the chance 2 know).😊
U guys rock👏
Vidyasu ur posts r fab. Smrth u r as usual with ur top notch English.😉 This is another story that i need my dictionary along but i like ur posts dear. Confession time 4 me, i saved ur post abt wat u said abt Archu after SR but lost it when my PC crashed.I think it's the most romantic post i've ever read.😳
Saff u r my all time fav as usual n it's an open secret i'm completely biased when it comes 2 u
.😳😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
Good to hear from you saffix -- I love the way you call a spade a spade, no convoluted iffy stuff from you. Keep it up girl. Smrth, good going.
I will take a bow for now. Spread sunshine and happiness at SOTD. Good night, though it is afternoon here and am way, way behind at work. v
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Posted: 14 years ago
OMG !! I just saw a news on indiatv that henceforth some people will be matching kundali of Saas and Bahu......😕🤣

Can it get wierder than this !!!

Or it is need of time???😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
Soni wat r u saying?🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago

yes, we all were laughing out loud, and they were promoting that jyotish.🤣
I have never seen my kundali, hope such time dont come 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago

Excellent analysis Smrth ..
Agree. excellent analysis by smrth and vidyasu1... they said what is on my mind.

I agree with every thing you have said here ...
My main grouse with savita is not the pain she is causing Archana but the pain she keeps causing Manav , as you too have explained above ..
She makes the mother in me very very angry ....

That's exactly how i feel. Savita makes the mother in me soooooo angry. that's why i hate her.

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: vidyasu1

love the conversations among saffs, tanya and jaanu -- coming here uplifts me because SOTD understands the essential goodness of Arman. And I have believed -- and will continue to believe -- that goodness is what makes the world go around. Talking of which, the complaint till now was that Arman were too sacrificing and too unrealistically mahan. Now that they have finally realised their love for one another, savita is calling them selfish and uncaring. Only last week, they showed archana listening in sweetly to Damo-Sav conversation, She holds no grudge against a mil who wants nothing more than to see her dead. What better proof of her goodness? Must Arch always run after her mil and fall at her feet? Even if she did, won't her mil curse her and kick her out?

@hardyboy, I really appreciate what you have written about living in chawls and being the sole bread winner. But equally, you'll agree with me that times are changing; mumbai has always been ahead of itself, and the fact that you are now living in Pune testifies to the possibilities of advancement the city offers. And once members move out, families automatically become more nuclear. Unlike Delhi, which is a babu city, Mumbai truly celebrates enterprise though some of that has now gone with the kind of corrosive politics that has taken over.
Coming to mother-child relationship, it is undoubtedly special but no mother ought to turn the fact of the child's birth into an eternal karz that can be repaid only by the child being in bonded labour to the mother. That is so melodramatic, exploitative and OTT. There is another point here:. Why does the son have to bear all of the responsibility of being in debt to the mother? The premise seems to be that the son ought not to go away ever, no matter how badly he is treated. This is so regressive. Aren't we feeding into partriarchal notions of son preference when we constantly ask the son to fulfil his duties towards his mother?( Does the mother have no duties towards the son?) How is that the mother is so easily able to gift away the daughter? Why is she paraya dhan? Was she not born of the same womb? And if so why is there no umbilical attachment and why is she not in debt to her mother? The sad thing is when a daughter does try to help her parents or her maternal family, she is seen as bartering away the sasural's interests.
The sky high expectations of the son and the belief that he is divinely ordained to look after the parents, is the reason why eastern societies kill unborn daughters. Why is sex-selective abortion not common in the west? Because for all its other faults, the west does not glorify the mother-son relationship the way we do. For the daughter it is even worse: she is paraya dhan for her own parents; yet in her marital family she has often to tolerate vile abuse.
The upshot of son preference -- and the daughter being treated as paraya dhan -- is that even when a son is financially able to live separately and look after his parents, he is made to feel guilty for even considering the option ( not in real life so much as in TV soaps). Anything like that becomes a betrayal. Case in point: Vinod and manju wanted to live in their flat but sulo got all tearful and emotional about it. Had they stayed separately, the K parents would have been better off. There wouldn't be the daily problems between the mil and dil. Isn't it better to be happy living apart than unhappy living together -- assuming this is financially possible?
But the worst double standard in PR is the constrasting relationships between sav and manav and sachu and shravani. The mother who is so accusatory of her son because he has left her has strangely no compunctions about separating another mother from her infant child. In your own case you want your married son to be tied to your pallu but you don't want your grandson to spend even his infant days with his mother. What irony!!! And it truly beats me that sravani is offering no child support to her baby. Sending a couple of 100$ once in a while ought to be the easiest thing for her, and yet she has left her only child in the care of an aged couple with no wherewithal. How absurd is this. What if the old couple were to die tomorrow?
SOTD, many, many thanks.

Replying to underlined points:
I may live in Pune for my job but I go every Friday to my parents . I am in the process of finding a larger accomodation so I can bring them here . I don't see Manav Deshmukh going to meet his mother at all . He didn't spend even two minutes with the old woman on her birthday . Neither do I see him giving them any expenses . Now it is said that his drunkard father actually earns enough . Then why was Manav called the earning member uptill now ?
The show is not about female infanticide and suppression of women at all . The women in the show are very strong . Savita , Rasika, Varsha , Vaishali , Manju are hardly suppressed women . Sulochana is famous for her slaps. And Archana , my personal favourite , has a lot of quiet strength in her . I find that you are getting carried away in an attempt to prove your point .
But this show surely is about a lower middle class family dependent on a son who is the sole breadwinner . And he is not caring about his family enough anymore is my only point .
You are talking of all social issues and what should be . I am talking only of this show . Maryada and some other shows are social issue shows , Pavitra Rishta isn't .
I agree with you about Shravani . She should come and take her baby away .

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