Let's talk about right, and rights.

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Ok! A whole forum is debating about the right of people to make certain decisions/actions and then if they are right in doing so. Let's see if we can tell the difference between having the right to do a thing and if that automatically makes that thing right. Subtle difference? Maybe yes, maybe not...

IG's Ban-

Does he have the right?

He is the IG of a city who was offered a bribe by a famous criminal in his own son's engagement. He has the right to sever social connection with this man. If in his mind no compromise is acceptable it is better for him to take a firm stand and he has the right to take this stand.

But is he right?

It is a high-handed demand. It is ruthless. He has not considered the happiness of his own family or the discomfiture of the Saxenas when he made the demand. He has expected that his son adopt his own hard line. He has expected his son to feel exactly like him. But the fact is if his son goes against his wishes he is very much capable of distancing himself from the wedding.

Aman's reaction

He is sad to put the Saxena's in a tough spot, but he believe his father is right. He has a similar disgust for the Thakurs and their evil ways. He really wants to marry Aarushi and is particularly dismayed at this having come to such a bad conflict. If the Saxena's had insisted on the Thakur's he may have had to oppose his father, but he does not in his heart want to do it. Let us see what the future holds for him...

Saxena's reaction

This is complex, let us look at it in detail.

Attitude towards Mathurs

Respect them tremendously. They are exactly the sort of upright, cultured family that they want to associate with. They like them individually. They LOVE Aman. They may think that the IG is a bit rigid but they approve of his ethical ways. They REALLY want their daughter to go into this family. THEY HAVE A DEFINITE RIGHT TO LIKE WHOSOEVER THEY PLEASE.

Attitude towards Thakurs

They dislike them. Disrespect them. Are ashamed of them. And are still very very angry with them. The only reason that they TOLERATE the Thakurs is because their daughter is caught in that house and they don't want to alienate them further because it will only have repercussions on their daughter's happiness. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HATE THOSE PEOPLE who have made their life and their daughter's life miserable, insulted and threatened them on several occasions who are responsible for all loss of prestige in society and who have treated the Saxena's inhumanly. No man can forgive in-laws who have blacken his face and his daughter's face in front of him.

Attitude towards Krishna

In the beginning he was just a Thakur to them, but now they have tremendous affection for him because they understand that he really loves their daughter and now their daughter too loves him.

Their reaction to the 'Shart'

They were dismayed at having been put into a difficult situation. They are extremely sad to exclude their own dear daughter from the best thing that has happened in their family in ages. But they have suffered enough because of Pratigya. NOT HER FAULT, the poor thing, but due to her, her family has undergone severe trauma and social ridicule. Like Aadarsh said they have lost all standing in their society and biraadari because of their association with people like SS. P married K only to avoid more trauma for her family, so that Aarushi's future is not further compromised. Why should Aarushi suffer because of Pratigya. Why will they throw away their daughter's whole life for the pride of another? They have a right to secure their daughter's happiness any way they like.

It is a differentt matter if they thought that the IG's demand was unreasonable. But they don't think it. They can very well imagine how the IG loathes being asscociated with a man like SS when they themselves feel so humiliated by his connection. Shyamji almost died of mortification when SS offered that bribe in a family function. So why will they not accede to he IG's wishes? They are both right and have the right to do this.

Pratigya's reaction

Her situation is so pathetic that it is even laugable to talk of that poor girls right. Right now NOBODY is considering her plight or happiness.

But she certainly will not kick up a fuss based on her marital ego and cause further damage to her sister's life. She is not so selfish. The poor girl has come home to face the wrath of her husband and his family rather than try to make her life more comfy by fussing with her family. That girls courage, fairness and absolute selflessness leaves me amazed! No tears, no demands, no manipulation. That girl is one straight arrow. My heart bleeds for her. On a side note, she also believe the IG has the moral right to associate or disassociate with whom he likes.

Krishna's Reaction

Does he have the right to feel hurt - Yes

Does he have the right to hurt his unfortunate wife in anger – No

Krishna cannot DEMAND respect from his in-laws. He cannot expect for them to place his ego above the happiness of their daughter Aarushi. He says that his family has given respect to P and her Family. That is the most laugable lie! Apart from K himself who deeeeep inside his heart does respect P and her family, everybody from his family have given her only humiliation and rejection. His own outward behaviour has often been hurtful and very disrespectful. A family who thinks nothing of blackening their samdhi's face in their house doesn't have a leg to stand on while demanding respect. THE SAXENA's DON'T RESPECT THE THAKURS. PERIOD. No amount of screaming will change this. Only better behaviour will.

Krishna in particular is very wrong to try and take out his frustration on his wife, who is herself in a far more unhappy situation than him. If he spares a moment to look at her situation he will realise that while he is being excluded only from his SIL's wedding she is being banned from her own sister's wedding through no fault of hers. In fact if anything he should feel guilty for having put her in such a sad situation. If she had been an ordinary wife she would have screamed and ranted that her life and prestige have been smashed to dust because of marrying him and his family. But the sad part is that the poor girl is more conscious of his unhappiness than her own. K should undertsand that he is perhaps getting more than he deserves, if he continue to treat her with such lack of consideration and aggression.

So while K's sense of rejection and hurt are understandable, his unreasonable anger and aggression are totally unacceptable.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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agree DYE.......👏 such a beautiful analysis..thnx..........😃


and this litterally sums up everything................

So while K's sense of rejection and hurt are understandable, his unreasonable anger and aggression are totally unacceptable.


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I like the way you have analyzed Pratigya's situation!
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Originally posted by: nisha2010

agree DYE.......👏 such a beautiful analysis..thnx..........😃


and this litterally sums up everything................

So while K's sense of rejection and hurt are understandable, his unreasonable anger and aggression are totally unacceptable.




Thank you Nisha! I also feel bad for his hurt, but that can;t excuse his behaviour, no? P also felt as if somebody had punched her, but how has she been taking it? She has been putting everybody else before herself. That is the way people behave if the truly love and care for other people. Not always think about their own egos or pride.

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Originally posted by: HamiSky

I like the way you have analyzed Pratigya's situation!



Hami, thanks yaar! You know we have all forgotten about the poor girl as if she is not ahuman being just because she is so strong and brave. Just because K is more vocal about his hurt and is ready to kick up a fuss whether for himself or on her behalf, we tend to think he is the only one with intense feelings. But what about P? Is she not human just because she is gutsy? Does she not get hurt by meanness and aggression?
Will any other woman in her place that the mental abuse of the Thakurs and still try to smile for her husband!?
I feel desparately unhappy for her situation. Her love makes her infinitely more vulnarable than before.😭
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brilliant post dye👏👏👏👏👏
and i agree with u when u say that ' So while K's sense of rejection and hurt are understandable, his unreasonable anger and aggression are totally unacceptable. ' barring the phrase unreasonable.....

i think his anger is perfectly reasonable.....
.may be the way he manhandled her was wrong but whatever he said was 100% right........in his POV.........he loves her, married her in front of the world, gave her family respect as he knew it , always stood by her and her family, took everything she and her family threw at him (he reacted but ofcourse for a goon and a thakur i would say pratigya and sucksenas were very fortunate he didn't go to the extremes, all because he loves her) to the point that many a times his family was too insulted........but what is happening now is the height of insult......he is the badaa SIL of sucksenas and instead of inviting him with due respect(yes , respect bec shyamji for one should remember how krishna poured out water from his hands to wash the dirt off his ungrateful face that day), her parents were all busy pleasing the new found ristha(in krishna's POV)........ any man of krishna's nature is bound to be unhappy, angry and blind with rage............and also his bauji did so much for shamji in arushi's engagement(u know gifts, dance etc which is a good gesture in krishna's eyes and ofcourse he don't know his bauji's motive) so he is justified in his anger................
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Fantastic post, Dye!!😃😃😃 ..although I do feel that krishna's anger is someways justifiable but not the part where he manhandles her.....but I have a question....what is Prats stand regarding the wedding at the moment?.....Is she going to attend the wedding or not?....I don't think IG has any problem if Pratigya attends the wedding....but it's up to Pratigya to choose that she will go or not....She did say that she will attend the wedding...but did she say this thinking that with time ...matters will be resolved between the family or is it come what may she will attend the wedding? ...so let's see if krishna understands her view point after he cools down!!! ....And I really want kriya to talk and discuss this time ...not just a kiss and patch up...
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Originally posted by: dhakarn

brilliant post dye👏
and i agree with u when u say that ' So while K's sense of rejection and hurt are understandable, his unreasonable anger and aggression are totally unacceptable. ' barring the phrase unreasonable.....

i think his anger is perfectly reasonable.....
.may be the way he manhandled her was wrong but whatever he said was 100% right........in his POV.........he loves her, married her in front of the world, gave her family respect as he knew it , always stood by her and her family, took everything she and her family threw at him (he reacted but ofcourse for a goon and a thakur i would say pratigya and sucksenas were very fortunate he didn't go to the extremes, all because he loves her) to the point that many a times his family was too insulted........but what is happening now is the height of insult......he is the badaa SIL of sucksenas and instead of inviting him with due respect(yes , respect bec shyamji for one should remember how krishna poured out water from his hands to wash the dirt off his ungrateful face that day), her parents were all busy pleasing the new found ristha(in krishna's POV)........ any man of krishna's nature is bound to be unhappy, angry and blind with rage............and also his bauji did so much for shamji in arushi's engagement(u know gifts, dance etc which is a good gesture in krishna's eyes and ofcourse he don't know his bauji's motive) so he is justified in his anger................



No, Dhakarn, there is a difference between hurt and anger. He is very very sad that his family has been considered so bad as not to even be invited. But that is completely Shyam Saxena's perrogative. He has NO right to be angry at Pratigya. He cannot demand an invitation. He cannot question the 'majaal' of somebody as if he is the only person entitled to 'majaal'. He cannot expect P to fight for his pride at the cost of her sister's entire life. He must realise that her hurt is greater than his. He is justified in his HURT, very sad for him, BUT all the Thakurs must learn that hurt does not justify violent anger and lashing out at anyone who is being soft and kind in front of them.

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Originally posted by: SaacheeSyna

Fantastic post, Dye!!😃😃😃 ..although I do feel that krishna's anger is someways justifiable but not the part where he manhandles her.....but I have a question....what is Prats stand regarding the wedding at the moment?.....Is she going to attend the wedding or not?....I don't think IG has any problem if Pratigya attends the wedding....but it's up to Pratigya to choose that she will go or not....She did say that she will attend the wedding...but did she say this thinking that with time ...matters will be resolved between the family or is it come what may she will attend the wedding? ...so let's see if krishna understands her view point after he cools down!!! ....And I really want kriya to talk and discuss this time ...not just a kiss and patch up...



Pooja, of course she is not going! that is exactly the point! She is having to be rejected from her own sister's wedding because of the family she married, but instead of ranting she is trying to understand her husbands hurt. can you imagine Komal in a similar situation???!!! She would have brought the roof down!😲 She blames them just for being poor and respectabe!!

Krishna has to feel abject remorse for taking his wife's happiness for granted and treating her so badly. He has to stop behaving badly very soon. Because his indecision and bad moods are showing great signs of a classic pattern of abuse. It is making me very frightened.😲😕
I hope Baba does not go beyong the pale!!
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Originally posted by: Dyehard



Pooja, of course she is not going! that is exactly the point! She is having to be rejected from her own sister's wedding because of the family she married, but instead of ranting she is trying to understand her husbands hurt. can you imagine Komal in a similar situation???!!! She would have brought the roof down!😲 She blames them just for being poor and respectabe!!

Krishna has to feel abject remorse for taking his wife's happiness for granted and treating her so badly. He has to stop behaving badly very soon. Because his indecision and bad moods are showing great signs of a classic pattern of abuse. It is making me very frightened.😲😕
I hope Baba does not go beyong the pale!!



Thank you...I am yet to see the epi...hence not sure how the conversations have gone between them😃😃....yes I agree that nobody is feeling for Prats ...that she is not invited to her own sister's wedding ....but hopefully krishna will see this point once they have a patch up...but I am still not looking forward to what all he says to Prats....especially the lines in the promo....😕😕

Another point...is I think IG didn't had the right to put forward a CONDITION like that ....I mean he could have requested the saxes that it would be better to not invite the thakurs so as to not to repeat the hungama....but by putting forward a condition..they have put saxes in a tough spot....when he knows the Prof's other two children's are related to the thakurs...and it's going to affect them a lot....How long is he expecting this to happen?...everytime...shyamu will have to choose between the two families...and knowing shyamu...we all know which side he will pick....which would unfair to kriya!! 😕

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