The poison pill? Naku's FR and LTL| VB Note Pg.8

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi everyone!

The recent ratings discussions have been really good and there were some things that were brought up that I wanted to bring up with you. Please feel free to respond. As always, would love to read your thoughts...

1. Naku's FR as poison pill. In your opinion, is the average LTL viewer, if we there is such a "type", mainly watching for the face reveal? Or, rather, the quality of the story?

I part of me deeply believes that the viewers that fell off the wagon, as per the ratings, were mainly the ones who got tired of the dragging and the nonsense. They were looking for the FR, and not seeing it left, but will return JUST TO see the reveal and then the subsequent few episodes until Dutta accepts Naku and marries her.
THIS is where the opportunity for COLORS exists, which hopefully they will not squander, as per their usual modus operandi when it comes to this poor show. If they can have believable, non-sensational, truly in character, compelling stories, then there is an opportunity to lure viewers back into the fold. If they don't succeed in this, then I believe the FR will be the poison pill for the show--it'll remain mediocre in the ratings and probably won't return to its slot leadership position or even #2 in its slot, unless the other networks screw up their shows as BRILLIANTLY and SPECTACULARLY as Colors did this one.

The viewers currently watching the show--optimists, self-punishers (joking!), true lovers of the characters, whatever they may be-- are watching for the story, mostly, not just the FR.


2. Comparisons to other shows.

I've seen many comments about how other "unworthy" shows continue to do well. "Unworthy" or not, they are doing well, something that LTL is NOT in comparison to before. Viewers have their reasons for watching--we may not totally get it. I don't necessarily look down on other shows or the people that watch them--I leave it as "it's not for me". But I applaud the other shows for delivering on their promise--networks and staying true to their core viewer. Whether their core viewer wants the overly dramatic flair or the psycho family drama or oversentimental love story, these shows have delivered.
My one barb with COLORS is that they failed to understand the LTL viewer or this viewer's expectations. In everything, it is about DELIGHTING, SURPRISING, DELIVERING on what the viewer or customer wants....it's the experience and their job is to understand that. And COLORS failed this basic 101 lesson when it came to LTL. I cannot speak about their other decisions.


3. Romance, romance, romance (HOLD ON tight dears, you may not like this!)

So I am clearly in the minority when I say the D-N romantic scenes do not give me my jollies, it's probably one of my last reasons for watching the show. Don't get me wrong--romance is great... I like it in the appropriate context and dose. I liked the romance when it was honest. Now, I see romance between Naku, who is essentially a "guild-ridden"😆 liar who does not trust love and is too afraid to be honest. Instead, she plays her game, without even realizing it. I'm sorry, but I think we as viewers have made enough excuses for Naku -- saying awww! poor thing, try to understand. If you were in her shoes, what else could you do? She's dying from the guilt! 😆 It's not easy for her. She loves Dutta so much, she's afraid of losing him....😆😆 That rationale was understandable in the beginning--but after so many months of her b-s, I have lost that understanding. I stopped coddling Naku some time back.

WELL, I would have told him the truth, not suckered him around like that, and essentially made a fool of him. I'm sorry I was not born in a slum or am literate, but in my opinion, honesty and character, DOES NOT always have income and social strata as conditions. Just because you have had a tough life does not mean you have no ethical or basic human standards or that it's understandable if you lack these standards. In fact, either you are honest or you are not, at some point, you stop and you realize what your actions are. And it has nothing to do with a slum, soot on your face...it has to do with basic common sense and seeing what your actions can do to someone you love.

Anybody?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hi dear... I was just wondering where u disappeared... missed ur topics (if not mistaken) for last two weeks...
Very nicely quoted.... i agree to all that u have stated and hence when the FR happens I would like it to be Naku who is telling it to him. Don know how the CV's have crafted it but sure there would be a big drama... Lets hope n see if they succeed in getting their viewership back.
It was good for u to highlight this topic once again...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am in the minority too as I don't find the romance anything to shout about. But then again I am not a romantic kind of person.😛
From what Cvs are dishing out Dutta's character is so sincere with his feelings and wants to make it up for his misdeeds towards Nakku. He is the one making the marriage work and putting the effort and here we have Princess Two Face wanting to play house but with curtains 😆 (which is so dark ages)

I think it's one to thing to conceal a truth from your loved ones because of predicaments but another thing completely to lie to someone's face, which is what Nakku is doing, I feel.
I guess I just don't like people insulting my intelligence which is what CVs are showing Nakku doing towards Dutta's character.

I won't be upset if Kala spits venom during the FR coz Nakku had it coming with her cat and mouse game. The bandage should be removed quickly without hesitation coz playtime is over and it's time to get serious. 😛😳
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00




2. Comparisons to other shows.

I've seen many comments about how other "unworthy" shows continue to do well. "Unworthy" or not, they are doing well, something that LTL is NOT in comparison to before. Viewers have their reasons for watching--we may not totally get it. I don't necessarily look down on other shows or the people that watch them--I leave it as "it's not for me". But I applaud the other shows for delivering on their promise--networks and staying true to their core viewer. Whether their core viewer wants the overly dramatic flair or the psycho family drama or oversentimental love story, these shows have delivered.




How exactly is this something to be APPLAUDED?? It is not rocket science to deliver a show with these typical sort of elements.....the average viewer either wants major kitchen politics and torture being inflicted on the female protagonist as she cries a river or they want "HAWT" romance b/w a good looking lead pair.....neither of those rank high in my books as something to APPLAUD other shows for.

LTL doesn't take the typical path in that respect so I'd rather applaud LTL for being different from the usual run of the mill stuff which is a dime a dozen on TV anyways.

Just cuz a show is doing well regardless of the ABOMINABLE crap being shown in it, I'm not going to start respecting it.....not saying anything to the viewers who are enjoying that sort of stuff....if that is what appeals to them, good for them. But I wouldn't want LTL to go that route just to garner viewers.

There are a hundred factors that can influence TRPs.....LTL doesn't have a typical sort of narrative style but it does have enough melodrama from time to time to bring in the audience since most of the audience thrives on melodrama....if this show was totally understated, I'm willing to bet the TRPs would be non-existent. So somewhere, LTL does have the required elements to pull in the audience that apparently "counts" for TRPs......which doesn't include any of us here anyways.

As for the storyline, I personally haven't written off the character of Naku or Dutta like I'm reading some ppl in here have.....so the storyline still appeals to me....I can still understand the character motivations so I'm watching for that.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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1. Naku's FR as poison pill. In your opinion, is the average LTL viewer, if we there is such a "type", mainly watching for the face reveal? Or, rather, the quality of the story?

I mainly watch LTL because of the story and how they bring it up. Each and every actor in the LTL does the best work. LTL team is giving what i want. Yes they are dragging but the only serial I watch continuously, never miss the episode. Till now the essences of story never get spoil that is making me to sit and watch the serial. When I was I college my colleagues will chat about serial. It seem so funny to me I use to watch serial I won't join them. But now every thing change it is like I am addicted to LTL.

FR ' I am eagerly waiting for it first I was angry at nakku for not reveling her face. When DP story come I completely understand that CV is planning for some thing good so I am waiting for it.

2. Comparisons to other shows.

I never watch any serial continues as LTL. One in a while I watch bidai, satiya, geeth. But I never chat or think about that show. LTL is completely different than other show it affect me. Romance compare to other serial tasha love is so natural. In other serial most of time couple hug nothing real like seeing on movie. In LTL when tasha hug each other it so passion. MR and MV act so good and natural. I don't see any actor or actresses who act like them so natural. There acting is one of the big essence of the story. That is make me to watch the show

When I see tasha love I find that how much my hubby love me how I did not know about him and his love. I learned so many things from tasha. Thing I couldn't change the thing I have to change. But no other serial make me feel like that. Never touch my heart

3. Romance, romance, romance (HOLD ON tight dears, you may not like this!)

It is so natural on LTL. I love it yar. They way datta make her sit on bed. They way he hug her, they way he hold her face, they way she behave when ever he hold her hand or hug her, or when he hold her face, the way he hold her hand. so many thing. I love tash romance on ltl

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with Anu that TRPs really are no criteria to measure quality. If it were so, shows like Rishta.com would have cratered the Pratigyas, Yeh Rishtas, and even the LTLs straight into ground. If the TRPs have declined, it's because the people who mostly figure into those numbers only want to see the FR, regardless of how good or bad the story is. So the TRPs aren't really a reflection of the story, but rather what people want to see...and since there are no amazing twists or great drama at the moment to rope in those viewers, the show has fallen out of its previous rank. Nevertheless, the story is still going well, in a more understated period at the moment, which is appreciated by many.

I understand what you mean though, that the FR begins holding characterization hostage. We saw it with Nakku after the whole Chunkey Pandey deal and flower-fan debacle. Thankfully, the Damodar Patil track came in effectively enough to distract from the FR and Nakku's character had a chance to act more normally in the circumstances, forgetting her guilt for a while. Now as the DP track comes to a culmination, they tread into that dangerous territory again...will they go ahead with the wedding and delay the FR (pretty W*F scenario, FR after marriage that is) or start up the FR dilemma again and lead it into the prenuptial ceremonies? If they go with the latter, and maybe even make FR accidental as seems to be their plan, there's still a chance that the characters will be able to remain true to themselves. Delaying it beyond that though...I just don't see it as plausible. Nakku going ahead with the marriage without being fully honest would be character assassination...not only hers, but even Babi (although she's pretty butchered already) and Baaji's.

Edit: Err, that should be Bulbul Pandey 😆 Whatever Salman's character's name was 😆

Edit 2: Or Chulbul Pandey? Clearly not having a very enlightened morning.
Edited by make-believe - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe

Nevertheless, the story is still going well, in a more understated period at the moment, which is appreciated by many. Exactly....word! The story is definitely going well in my opinion as well.


I understand what you mean though, that the FR begins holding characterization hostage. We saw it with Nakku after the whole Chunkey Pandey deal LMAO his name was CHULBUL Pandey, Fatty.....the character from Dabangg😆😆 and flower-fan debacle. Agree about this otherwise though.....the flower-fan bits were total NONSENSE and really put me off as well....as well as the mega extended Bappa jaap that everyone did for two-three solid straight weeks.

Thankfully, the Damodar Patil track came in effectively enough to distract from the FR and Nakku's character had a chance to act more normally in the circumstances, forgetting her guilt for a while. Exactly....the DP track brought back the essence of Naku's character and her relationship with Dutta again and she was back in character....and out of her usual awkward guilt-trip mode which I for one was quite thankful about.

Now as the DP track comes to a culmination, they tread into that dangerous territory again...will they go ahead with the wedding and delay the FR (pretty W*F scenario, FR after marriage that is) or start up the FR dilemma again and lead it into the prenuptial ceremonies? If they go with the latter, and maybe even make FR accidental as seems to be their plan, there's still a chance that the characters will be able remain true to themselves. Delaying it beyond that though...I just don't see it as plausible. Nakku going ahead with the marriage without being fully honest would be character assassination...not only hers, but even Babi (although she's pretty butchered already) and Baaji's. I think for now, Nakku will console Dutta after DP's death....so maybe a week or so goes in that, then most likely the FR dilemma will be back as talks of the marriage begin again....and it remains to be seen what Nakku decides there....cuz there is no valid argument to go ahead with the marriage without doing the FR....even Babi and Baaji have enough sense to know that once the marriage happens, even 'samajhdar' Nakku won't be able to hide her truth any longer.....so they can't pressurize her into keeping mum either....and she won't have a valid reason to refuse also....so the way I see it.....FR will happen....whether by accident or design ....and no marriage for now.....there will be the post FR drama to deal with for a while again.



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Originally posted by: make-believe

Edit: Err, that should be Bulbul Pandey 😆 Whatever Salman's character's name was 😆

Edit 2: Or Chulbul Pandey? Clearly not having a very enlightened morning.



BULBUL Pandey??!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fattyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! My stomach hurts!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Originally posted by: nureat01

I think for now, Nakku will console Dutta after DP's death....so maybe a week or so goes in that, then most likely the FR dilemma will be back as talks of the marriage begin again....and it remains to be seen what Nakku decides there....cuz there is no valid argument to go ahead with the marriage without doing the FR....even Babi and Baaji have enough sense to know that once the marriage happens, even 'samajhdar' Nakku won't be able to hide her truth any longer.....so they can't pressurize her into keeping mum either....and she won't have a valid reason to refuse also....so the way I see it.....FR will happen....whether by accident or design ....and no marriage for now.....there will be the post FR drama to deal with for a while again.



@red: I'm pretty positive now that FR will be accidental. Even though it'd be much, much better for Nakku to reveal herself, I now feel like it'd be poetic justice if the 'decision' to tell is taken out of her hands just because of how much she and Babi have stalled. With Kala out for the kill, Sudarshan-Ganpat storyline, Baaji knowing and then the accidental reveal...these factors will help in making the biggest and best possible explosion 😆 Nakku coming clean herself would be too tame now, and they will make it accidental if only to create humongous drama for the TRPs and understandably so, since this is the peak of their story.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: make-believe



@red: I'm pretty positive now that FR will be accidental. Even though it'd be much, much better for Nakku to reveal herself, I now feel like it'd be poetic justice if the 'decision' to tell is taken out of her hands just because of how much she and Babi have stalled. With Kala out for the kill, Sudarshan-Ganpat storyline, Baaji knowing and then the accidental reveal...these factors will help in making the biggest and best possible explosion 😆 Nakku coming clean herself would be too tame now, and they will make it accidental if only to create humongous drama for the TRPs and understandably so, since this is the peak of their story.



By accident, do you mean Kala revealing it?? Cuz that won't be accidental....lol...that would be very much by design....but yeah I totally agree that Naku's not going to be the one to reveal the truth....most definitely not....someone else will reveal it and then Nakku will have to bear Dutta's wrath cuz he'll refuse to listen even if she tries to give him explanations then. That is how the high drama will come in which is expected since this is like the show's biggest high point that everyone's been waiting to see since a while now. .....and yeah agree about the poetic justice bit as well.....woh toh hona hi that given how Nakku stalled it for so long....no matter what the reasons in b/w....but now she'll have to bear the consequences....

Nakku revealing the truth would be way too tame like you said and too anti-climactic also😆.....reveal toh koi aur hi karega....and Nakku likely won't get the chance to reveal her side of the story at all......if done well, this can really make things quite interesting for the future of the DN relationship and how Dutta ultimately realizes why she hid herself behind the black makeup all these years and what all lecherousness she's dealt with while he overcomes his own insecurities about how beauty=betrayal.
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Originally posted by: nureat01

By accident, do you mean Kala revealing it?? Cuz that won't be accidental....lol...that would be very much by design....but yeah I totally agree that Naku's not going to be the one to reveal the truth....most definitely not....someone else will reveal it and then Nakku will have to bear Dutta's wrath cuz he'll refuse to listen even if she tries to give him explanations then. That is how the high drama will come in which is expected since this is like the show's biggest high point that everyone's been waiting to see since a while now. .....and yeah agree about the poetic justice bit as well.....woh toh hona hi that given how Nakku stalled it for so long....no matter what the reasons in b/w....but now she'll have to bear the consequences....

Nakku revealing the truth would be way too tame like you said and too anti-climactic also😆.....reveal toh koi aur hi karega....and Nakku likely won't get the chance to reveal her side of the story at all......if done well, this can really make things quite interesting for the future of the DN relationship and how Dutta ultimately realizes why she hid herself behind the black makeup all these years and what all lecherousness she's dealt with while he overcomes his own insecurities about how beauty=betrayal.


If Kala finds out in the upcoming weeks (let it not be through Baaji please!), then she'll be the one revealing it with band baaja and pomp. And if she doesn't, she will have her tanker of oil ready to fuel the fire when it happens...either way, win-win 😛 I'd much rather that 'Bappa' does it by some freak accident, and all the secrets come spilling out one after and another, making matters worse and worse, quite like the wedding day 😆 They had a great opportunity with the Visarjan, some pretty cool ideas and ways to film the FR, but that's gone now.

@bold: Totally. If they bring Morey back somewhere down the line as well, it'll actually help reason out why Dutta forgives her apart from out of love, because he'll see her motivations behind hiding herself and it'll add additional understanding of Nakku's being, past and life for Dutta. I'd love to see that Nakku getting shot idea too 😛 Somehow it just keeps coming back :P

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