Let's be honest, are men actually like Dutta?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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One of the things that we swooooon over when it comes to Dutta is his purity of action and thought. I think you'll agree when I say he is a complicated man, but with a beautiful heart. And his attitudes toward people, including women, are honorable. His greatest wish in the world is for an emotional connection with someone, which is something I think many women can relate to and respect, vs. looks.

Now, let's switch back to reality. Dammit!

I would say Dutta is unlike 70-80% of men, and I don't think I'm being pessimistic or looking down on the lesser sex. 😆 😆 😆 Just joking...
In all seriousness though, not many men have this attitude towards women. I've had many a conversation over this over time...from an evolutionary (which believe it or not is very applicable to this day) and psychiatric and even societal perspective. And it is to a valid degree, very true...men's interest is triggered by visuals...ahem 😆 and the emotional connection piece is not something that many men fully think about in their lives...it's not part of their language as much as it is for women. There are some really interesting books/research on this very topic.

I'm curious what your take is on it.

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TheRager thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree...Dutta isnt real. Very few men are like Dutta. What MR said in his interview is right. Most people whether men or women want a good looking partner.
But then again for both men or woman its their experiences that shape their personality and thinking. While a younger man...college or in his first job would look for a beautiful partner. Thats why in college and initial days of job there is intense peer pressure. This emphasis on looks reduces with time as experiences add on. But even then everyone wants a pleasant looking partner.
Coming to Dutta...his experience with his first love and then later his experiences in the underworld have made him the person he is today. If his first love would have been say Naku I am sure he would have been a different person.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i agree with u..dutta IS unlike many men around..
you would never find a man with such a pure and golden heart..
i mean u will find very loyal hubbies..who never mind looking at pretty women...
for girls its always the beauty that matter..just like nakku said..but for dutta,the nature of a person is more imp..

men's interest is triggered by visuals--u have hit the bulls eye here..this is what happens in real life..

men only do the job of earning..they just want the satisfaction of mind n soul..i agree..they are not that emotional..there are very few who are emotional...hence they are called 'MEN'
some men feel like they have more freedom than women...but men are rational fools 😆
i agree with u gp..dutta is one of a kind..
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if there are actually men like dutta in the world...i think they wouldve been taken long ago...we live in a modern society were men like that dont exist or really difficult to find......like its difficult to find an ugly duckling that is actually a swan- its acually hard to find men that are pure hearted- and that dnt ogle pretty women.......

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Now let me throw this discussion on its head.

Dutta is a very, very attractive man. The question is would he be as equally attractive to us if he were not so?

My answer to that would be perhaps we would not become attracted at first. But that would be our loss. However, I think women, for the most part, would still open a relationship with the person, eg as a friend, whatever. Over time, though, I think women would perhaps appreciate a man who was like Dutta on the inside--the complexity, the vulnerability, the inherent goodness--and even develop that emotional bond.

I do not think that is the same for most men. They would stop at step 1. No go, if the looks aren't there, at some level. And from the competitive angle mentioned above, I have to laugh at guys like that. Such morons, really. I had many friends who were guys and were wonderful friends, but I cannot tell you how many times I rolled my eyes at them, or gave them a piece of my mind. Guys being competitive over their girlfriends, wives--perfect. And they're more preoccupied with impressing other men--unfortunately, many of them do not change. Sad but true. What a waste of time they can be.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00

Now let me throw this discussion on its head.

Dutta is a very, very attractive man. The question is would he be as equally attractive to us if he were not so?

No...atleast not at first glance. But thats because actors are expected to be good looking. Or have some charming quality about them. The biggest actors in bollywood arent supposed to be very good looking like SRK or Big B. But both have some attractive quality about them. While Big B played the intense, silent brooding hero perfectly...for SRK it has been his wit and charming personality apart from his expressive eyes and dimples that did the trick.
If Dutta Patil would have been played by an ugly guy with a great body then he might have found few takers initially. Then depending on the story, pace, charaterization and acting the actor might have grown on the audience if all went well. But it might have been an uphill task to retain the ratings as Naku herself was made to look unattractive. By casting a good looking atleast they ensure the target auience-women tuned in.

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My answer to that would be perhaps we would not become attracted at first. But that would be our loss. However, I think women, for the most part, would still open a relationship with the person, eg as a friend, whatever. Over time, though, I think women would perhaps appreciate a man who was like Dutta on the inside--the complexity, the vulnerability, the inherent goodness--and even develop that emotional bond.

I do not think that is the same for most men. They would stop at step 1. No go, if the looks aren't there, at some level. And from the competitive angle mentioned above, I have to laugh at guys like that. Such morons, really. I had many friends who were guys and were wonderful friends, but I cannot tell you how many times I rolled my eyes at them, or gave them a piece of my mind. Guys being competitive over their girlfriends, wives--perfect. And they're more preoccupied with impressing other men--unfortunately, many of them do not change. Sad but true. What a waste of time they can be.

Most men wouldnt really go beyond step no. 1. I guess its some sort of unwritten ancient rule among humans...while men are expected to provide women are expected to look after the house. To attract the most powerful man the woman had to be attractive. This has lived on.
The men who claim to be different ...not caring for looks are mostly lying...or maybe bitter as they know they cant get an attractive partner.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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GP ...... good topic for discussion. I do agree that men and women are kind of diff , their way of looking at things is diff........ but may be we cant generalize that men behave in a certain way , but ya most of them may fall in that category.........

abt Dutta being attractive.......I know many of u might kill me for saying this, but personally I do not find him attractive as such........he is a normal looking guy . So i myself am an example of how I fell in love with his character as time went by and how I grew fonder of the actor. I believe in the saying "Looks decieve" and I have hardly judged ppl by looks in my life. So for me even if Dutta was played by any other actor good or bad looking it wouldnt have matterd much, I wouldve taken my sweet little time in liking the charcter and actor.
I find Maan from Geet pretty attractive but the episode in which he enters the show, I so hated his character and didnt find anything attractive watching him act. But then as time flew by I started loving Maan's character and now Iam so fond of that actor who plays that character, I really cant take my eyes of him 😆.......
As for Nakku's dark makeup goes, I have no idea whats wrong with me, I love her in that dark makeup and dont find anything wrong with her. I agree with Dutta's "Tujh mein kya khami hai" wala line. She is perfect sans that bad-teeth wala makeup. Good features is what makes a good face and color doesnt really matter to me.
But then its me a women and .......men might be totally diff at judging ppl. No wonder they are termed as weaker of the two ....when it comes to loosing heart 😆.........
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Posted: 15 years ago
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interesting conversation. When you are young (early 20s?)looks matter. Then you meet enough good looking (and bad looking) jerks. And you realize that having an emotional connection, being with someone who cares for you and who will be with you in sickness and health, good times and bad, wrinkles and warts is far more important then looks.

Look around you how many people that are married hot looking?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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My (a bit cynical) take on this is that it is almost a clear-cut split between the good looking people and average/below-average looking people. Those who fall into the former category (particularly men) feel they are due a good looking partner. Hence I think almost unanimously that whole cohort of individuals never possess those qualities that we swoon over in regards to Dutta - the indifference to looks, primarily giving attention to one's heart and good intentions, etc. They know they look good and are very much conscious of it.

At the same time I feel those that fall in the latter category - there are many people in that group who possess all these qualities that we find so attractive. It is almost like they are trying their level best to compensate for not being so good looking by having these other great qualities. They of course don't live up to the good looks because they aren't apparent in a passing glance. That is probably why almost everyone of us sometime or another has seen a pair and wondered - 'wonder why someone as gorgeous as her would want to be with somebody who looks like him?' or vice versa.

Dutta's likes are the rare type that are a sort of a combination of both of best worlds and so quite honestly I don't think a good 95% of us would've found anything particularly great in him if he didn't have the good looks and charm as part and parcel of his character. We would've ultimately seen him as the average/ugly sweet guy - sadly almost like the 'nice loser' a la SRK's character in Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi who gets lucky with having a ugly ducking who is actually beautiful fall for him. It wouldn't have been nearly as magical and so darn appealing like it currently is. And it's not just his looks - it is the power factor too. Just the way the guys are notoriously known to be drawn good looks I'd say we are drawn to the power factor - hence that strange appeal with these don type love stories. A good looking guy with a power factor more then doubles the appeal factor. So in the bigger picture we (and in particular men) just historically and universally are quite a superficial species - ouch.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: oddgalout

Dutta's likes are the rare type that are a sort of a combination of both of best worlds and so quite honestly I don't think a good 95% of us would've found anything particularly great in him if he didn't have the good looks and charm as part and parcel of his character. We would've ultimately seen him as the average/ugly sweet guy - sadly almost like the 'nice loser' a la SRK's character in Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi who gets lucky with having a ugly ducking who is actually beautiful fall for him. It wouldn't have been nearly as magical and so darn appealing like it currently is. And it's not just his looks - it is the power factor too. Just the way the guys are notoriously known to be drawn good looks I'd say we are drawn to the power factor - hence that strange appeal with these don type love stories. A good looking guy with a power factor more then doubles the appeal factor. So in the bigger picture we (and in particular men) just historically and universally are quite a superficial species - ouch.

Exactly...the story is appealing because of not only Dutta's character but his good looks are part of his appeal. As you said if not for his good looks the story might have been yet another rab ne bana di kind of story with a twist.
And yes how can we forget power..women are drawn to wealth and power like a moth is drawn to a flame. So that way Dutta is a rare combination of wealth, power and looks and that makes him damn irrestible. Couple it with the fact that the guy doesnt think he's a great catch. Where would you we find one except in fiction?

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