Love and Mis-understanding ... it proves

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I thought of writhing this thread as we all are happy now for this Sagini re-union ... but tell me one thing ....
I'm getting a doubt on love .. hate and misunderstanding here ...
For an example ....
Kaushi loves Ragini, Veenu & Family and hates Sadhna ...
So even if Veenu wants to stay separate with his family and Malti and Veenu bashes Kaushi for no reason ... takes money and buy jewel and all those non-sence ... still after all the mis-behaviour from them, did Kaushi hate them ..... andwer is no .. instead she wanted Veenu and famili's khushi and mortgaged the house without informing Mamaji .... All problems of Malti she treats as 'Bahu nadan hein'
And the way she treats Sadhna ....
So I mean ... same thing was in front of both Ragini, Kaushi, Mamaji ... now Mamaji really loved Sadhna, so he trusted her and supported her in the same situation where Ragini did not .. It' sok that you can be angry on someone, but you throw that person out of her sasural (if Ragini would not have supported Vasu that time and asked stopped the incident ... Alekh and Sadhna would not have separated at the first place) and also bash her so much .. Ragini even saw that after all this Sadhna went to meet Ranvir at jail just to please Ranvir .. still she believed that Sadhna want to chinao her khushi ....
So was that love ... I do not think so ....
Same applies for Alekh ....
If he would have loved Sadhna, then would have taken strong step ... exactly what Mamaji did .... when Kaushi wanted Sadhna out of house. Instead he told what ... for all his vachan's that during marriage he was not normal .. so all those vachans are not valid 😲 Alekh did not believed Sadhna when she told truth about Rakesh goon that Naveen hired him .... so he believed Naveen more than Sadhna ....
Now what I meant from this post that all these people do not love Sadhna at all .... they just want to be goody goody ... If Sadhna only sacrificing (and to knwo that they need proof .. no beleif on Sadhna) then say Sadhna Sadhna and hug her .. and for any slightest thing not happeninig as per their wish ... bash her an dthrow her out of their life ....
So Kaushi maybe hating Sadhna, but she also showed what love is by supporting Veenu even after they did so much harm to her ...
And apart from Mamaji, no one loves Sadhna from heart ... otherwise this would not have been the situation .....
So logically and really what should Sadhna so now .... simple .. now she also does not have any job with Mallika ... so leave the house and leave the city and run away from these selfish people ... In logon se guruma aur rakesh gunda achcha hein ....
Sorry for being a spoilsport. But .. is this really love .... Or just a goody goody show, when you feel that ohh galat insan ko chor samajhke saja de diya ... ab use jaake keh du .. mujhe maf kar de and all my guilt would go ..... if you love someone, what comes may can you treat the person so badly .. actually even after such a bad treatment Sadhna never thought of any bad for anyone ....

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-Ammie- thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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So I mean ... same thing was in front of both Ragini, Kaushi, Mamaji ... now Mamaji really loved Sadhna, so he trusted her and supported her in the same situation where Ragini did not .. It' sok that you can be angry on someone, but you throw that person out of her sasural (if Ragini would not have supported Vasu that time and asked stopped the incident ... Alekh and Sadhna would not have separated at the first place) and also bash her so much .. Ragini even saw that after all this Sadhna went to meet Ranvir at jail just to please Ranvir .. still she believed that Sadhna want to chinao her khushi ....

the red bit..i don't agree yarr..do u really think if ragini would have supported sadhna ...vasu would not have kicked sadhna out...she would have definately done this.. after all ragini is only sadhna's kali bahan to vasu so do u really think vasu would have listened to her...i don't think sooo....

i would like to reminde you MR RS words "fights and misunderstandings are a part of life and they make one's relationship stronger" that is the bottom line of this track..

i think that a human is not perfect...misunderstandings and confusions can happen to anyone...and ragini is a human tooo...

sadhna and alekh are having misunderstandings too so does that mean they don't love each other...they do!!

we have already discussed all this a lot of times...now lets forget who did wht and concentrate on wht sagini and specially ragini will do now...

this is my POV...and m not bashing anyone

peace...amina


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Posted: 15 years ago
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No no I'm not bashing anyone here ... I just think Ragini and Alekh never loved Sadhna purely ....
Yes, there could be mis-understandinf .. for that temporary face-off etc etc ..... it happens .. but here people who were portrayed as they love Sadhna ... actually did not loved Sadhna from heart ....
Vasu is an exception .. she was utilizing Ragini to throw away Sadhna ... that's it .. but if Ragini would have asked not to throw away Sadhna .. it would have been difficult in that situation for Vasu .. only Vasu wanting Sadhna to go out ... Ragini was quite and that made work easy for Vasu .... Now vasu's next target would be Ragini but that would be toughas Ranvir is not Alekh and truely love Ragini and believes her.
Now telling this it does not mean that Ragini and Alekh HAD TO love Sadhna ... they may not love her .. it's their life after all ... so now I think Sadhna should not again fall into the trap of these people and love/ hug mafi show ... she should understand that these people does not love her and would react again the same way at the slightest deviation ... so she should now be strong and run away from these people ... that's it ... no point prologing a show off love relation whose base is not pure love and trust .... Sadhna has no future with this manipualtive .. spineless and Mamma pagal Alekh
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: navaneeta

No no I'm not bashing anyone here ... I just think Ragini and Alekh never loved Sadhna purely ....

Yes, there could be mis-understandinf .. for that temporary face-off etc etc ..... it happens .. but here people who were portrayed as they love Sadhna ... actually did not loved Sadhna from heart ....
Vasu is an exception .. she was utilizing Ragini to throw away Sadhna ... that's it .. but if Ragini would have asked not to throw away Sadhna .. it would have been difficult in that situation for Vasu .. only Vasu wanting Sadhna to go out ... Ragini was quite and that made work easy for Vasu .... Now vasu's next target would be Ragini but that would be toughas Ranvir is not Alekh and truely love Ragini and believes her.
Now telling this it does not mean that Ragini and Alekh HAD TO love Sadhna ... they may not love her .. it's their life after all ... so now I think Sadhna should not again fall into the trap of these people and love/ hug mafi show ... she should understand that these people does not love her and would react again the same way at the slightest deviation ... so she should now be strong and run away from these people ... that's it ... no point prologing a show off love relation whose base is not pure love and trust .... Sadhna has no future with this manipualtive .. spineless and Mamma pagal Alekh



running way from others and taking revenge is NOT sadhna...so i m totally with her in forgiving ragini...and m sure she'll forgive alekh tooo.cause she knows that galti insaan sa hoti hai...and this has just increased the respect i had for sadhna!!

as for ragini at that time she was right at her place...cause she didn't know the future of her husband or her baby...and the nagin vasu was the main reason for ragini's negative doing...she just filled ragini's brain up with all that selfish and jealousy crap..although i know ragini should have trusted her sister..but misunderstandings are a part of our life and m sure this will make sagini bond more strong!! and they'll be able to face the future together without any misunderstandings..

anyways the only person who should not be forgiven by anyone is vasu!! i soo want her to get kicked out!!

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I just want to enjoyyyyyyyy the happiness of the sagini reuniion. Ragini is trying her level best to put everything right. Now why such a bashing at ragini???? Kaushi's , Alek will also change.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Vasu and Kaushi are evil person ... others are not ...
@ kamuralee ... I'm not bashing Ragini at all .. as I told can you force someone to love someone .. so and it's right, you love whom you want .. so no bad feelings for her .... and Ragini is a person with good soul which was poisoned by Vasu + Kaushi + DB in the wrong time ... good to see she understood (with proof though) and feeling guilty which a bad person like Vasu would never never repent ... so as a person Ragini is very nice ... but she does not love her sister truely from heart or understands her.
What I meant was action for Sadhna ... she being the nature she is would again dance around Jiji ... Alekhji and doing this again she would get all these sort of big blows anytime .... For Sadhna, she should understand that these people do not love her and neither trust her or understand her .... she has given enough time (from childhood) to people to understand her nature .. but still she has been misunderstood as selfish and what not .... in the same situation Mamaji and Ranvir (who knew her for so less time) beleived her .... so ... in this scenario ... Sadhna should now say adieu to Sharma and RV family and move out of the city taking a job somewhere else and live on her own ....
And really you think anyone should trust and want a husband like Alekh? I was shattered when he broke the cup and did not even bothered to look back ... and said yes for marriage ... he has cheated Sadhna and now Mallika ... enough reason from Sadhna's side ... he threw her away from RV, did not beleived her .. said yes to Mallika marriage, send love letter to Mallika (as Mallika showed it to Sadhna as letter sent from Alekh to her) .... with Ragini anyways she would not have to stay 24x7 after marriage so Ragini and Sharma family ... ok types but do not stay with them ....
But for Alekh .. yes, Sadhna should always want his prosperity and well being .. but she should not go back and stay with him as wife ... it's once broken considered sold case ....
Girls are treated as such non-strong characters in these tele serials ... they should be strong.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I don' think this proves that Ragini doesn't love sadhna. Had Ragini allowed sadhna to be thrown out of the house when she was in a completely strong state of mind, then ok perhaps her love would have proven not to be genuine. But Ragini just had a breakdown, she was confused and convinced her sisters was plotting against her (due to Vasu's persuasion), EVEN THEN it hurt her badly to see sadhna leave. People act and say 'out of the ordinary' things during such difficult times, so let's cut her some slack. Let's just wait and see how ragini will react to future events, (perhaps when she hasn't just had a miscarriage?) :/

Alekh on the other hand, was in a clear state of mind when he watched sadhna leave. It hurt him too, but maybe their was more he could have done had he wanted to. I don't think alekh actually realised he loved sadhna then...
However I'm still on the fence about how the family should have felt about sadhna going against ranvir- it's a controversial issue. No I don't think she was wrong, but didn't they have a right to be upset?
Anyway way, that track was complex, I don't think we can base their love for sadhna on that event.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Topic starter - I understand what you want to say. I too agree with this to an extent. Thats why many people here in the forum are not able to forgive Ragini even though she confesses and repents very badly. It is not just because Sadhna did so much to Ragini and Ragini inturn did like this. Even if Sadhna has not done so much for Ragini, she should have stopped Vasu that day when she was throwing Sadhna from house. Ok, Vasu may find some other reason for throwing Sadhna (and tomorrow Ragini), that is different. But the point here is Ragini didnt repent about that even after Ranvir returned from jail. For no mistake of Sadhna, she was thrown out of the house and if we just think seriously it is such a big insult to any human being. What rights Vasu has on that house, same right Sadhna also has. Just because she is nice, noble doesnt mean that anyone can do anything with her. If they had shown Ragini getting confused, repent after Ranvir returns, then many people in this forum would have forgiven Ragini.
That is the reason I find lot of arguments take place here between Ragini fans and Sadhna fans. What Ragini fans feel is also not wrong. They have seen her character from the begining and they like her. Now though they themselves dont like Ragini misbehaving, they cant take any bashing about her in the forum. But I just want to ask them one thing. They all love Ragini so much and dont want to take any negative comments about her (that too when Ragini was wrong), then why the same Ragini couldnt do anything for Sadhna (that too when Sadhna was right). Yes, when we love someone we dont want to hear anything bad about them though we ourselves r angry with them. Our anger may become ok after we get some evidence/facts. This one thing of Ragini even I didnt like much.
Parul is a very nice actress and looks like a sincere human being. Just that creatives did some experiment with her character.
The most funniest thing is Ragini is blamed more than Vinu, Kaushi, Malti, Avni, Vasu, Inderjeet. That means we expect good from good people and not bad from good people.
Anyways, it is better to forget the past and start fresh. Instead of fighting about the past mistakes.
But in the end the question always remain that whether love has to be proven with facts/evidence all the time? Tomorrow even after Sadhna returns then does it mean she has to be careful throughout her life just to ensure that she doesnt break Alekh and Ragini's trust? This is just a serial and anything can happen. Tomorrow they may experiment with Sadhna's character where Ragini has to give evidence for Sadhna to believe her. But in real life, if we come across such situation, then dont we get this question in our mind?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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You are right reguser .... we expected good from Ragini as she is good character ... same applies for Mamaji ... but could you ever expect anything good from Kaushi (see what she behaved today .. people don't even do that with their servant ... that's diff that if they, then the servant would in return give you a big tight slap and come home with their union .. he he he ...) .. and good from Malti ??? jhoot to mein bolti nahin .. usse lalach aur farebi ke alawa kya umeed kar sakte hein hum .. remember in hospital she sais Veenu .. sahi time pe haat mara .. varna treatment ke liye ghar chala jata ...
So you are very right ... we expected a lot from Ragini ... that's why people are so furstrated .... but after seeing Ragini today ... I felt so much injustice ... Sadhna does only good and suffers for life and what Ragini did .. all ended with 15 min guilt ... that also since she wanted to be good and indeed a good person from heart ... but see Vasu .... no guilt .. no repent .. bindyass .. happy and does whatever she likes and treats Indrajeet like dog (Alekh's future with Mallika)
So my main Q is with the directors ... what they want to show ... if you are good, you suffer ... Ragini wanted to be good .. now see Vasu would be after her .... would bash her again as KALI (which actually Vasu is from heart) ... .how can she refer to Ragini as that .... she forgot that Ragini Bahu of this house and Love of his son Ranvir and she refered her as KALI behen of Sadhna .... so what is the message ...
Even after all this vasu would just show some tears and say Sadhna maf kar do (even if that day comes .... I think she would hire goons now to kill Sagini .... ) then everyone would maf her and she would be happy .... this is very very sick of the show ....
Finally when it comes to Alekh ... Sadhna simply needs to forget him ... see everyone loves their better half .. then why do so many criminal case and divorce happens? Alekh should be in jail for torturing Sadhna .. and moreso Sadhna should never ever go back to Alekh .... why is she shown as such a tumbling character? Jiji meine aapko dukh diya .. why she thinks that .... again she would dance around Jiji Jiji and Alekhji Alekhji and again one day these people would take extreme step against her .... Grow up Sadhna ... never never go back to that RV house and Alekh's wife ....
RS please show Sadhna as a strong character ... she is behaving like if there any electric problem in Sharma and RV house .. she tells mere liye hi hua hein ... mujhe maf kar do .... Sacrifice is fine .. not telling all these is also fine .. but cursing yourself for something which you did not do ? I understand her feeling .. from childhood the treatment she got ... she believes her as the reason for all wrong ... but now it's high time to shoe some personality change of Sadhna ... she needs to be strong ....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ragini loved Sadhana just before this jail-track..In her own way, she was always there for Sadhana, and gave her all the love, that Sadi didn't feel the need of Kaushi's love. Ragi's love was enough.

During the jail-track, Ragini was a totally different person, and uttered hateful words towards Sadhana. I was very disappointed with Ragini at this point. But RS himself said that he was experimenting with the character, hence any logic wouldn't fall in place. Now, that Ragini is repenting, and said, "I was happy that even if I was not fair from outside, I thought I had a good heart...but I feel ashamed cos my heart has negativity and bad thoughts..."....I am willing to forgive her..I think these are very strong words to say about oneself to someone else...and Ragini saying these lines shows that she is disgusted by her own being.

Ideally, no one should doubt their love and trust the other person with full faith, but situations happen. Even RagVir love eachother very much, they had misunderstanding during the mystery track. SaAalkeh love each other immensely but due to miscommunication and misunderstanding they are not together. In real life such things happen. But the biggest of all, is to honestly repent, and try to mend ways.

I have constantly seen posts about Sadhana should leave everything and go, but aren't we being selfish by asking her to do the same. Sadhana's happiness lies with the people she loves i.e. Sharma's and Rajvansh. She wouldn't be happy by being far from her own family. She doesn't want them to be nice to her, but wants to see them happy. Her biggest happiness lies by being with Ragini and Aalkeh, and if Ragini can make way between SaAalkeh, perhaps it would be one of the greatest gift to Sadhana.



The difference between Vasu and Ragini is, Ragini realized that she was wrong, and is repenting...she is disgusted with her own existence, but Vasu is not even flinching. This shows that Ragini is a good person, but made bad choices, but Vasu makes bad choices knowingly.

I will also like to add, that are all husbands and wife very strong? So if they are weak, don;t they deserve to be in relationship? I am not defending Aalkeh or Ragini, but they are not as strong-willed as Sadhana, but they are part of Sadi's life and she loves them, and they love her too.
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