Morality, circumstances and luck

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Posted: 16 years ago
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We have heard this dialogue so many times that no one is born a criminal, but society and circumstances make that person a criminal.

Thus, if a person is bad then that person may be so because of other factors not controlled by him or her.

For example suppose a person is born very poor and he cannot feed himself without stealing. Is he wrong if he steals? Thus, while deciding punishments, should we look at a person whether he/she is poor or rich?

Please share your views and my comments later.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Of course it is wrong. The guy, even though he's poor, cannot break the law to feed himself. After he commits the crime, he can be given empathy, but cannot he forgiven for his deeds. He still has to pay the price, which is ironic. 😆
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Originally posted by: debayon

Of course it is wrong. The guy, even though he's poor, cannot break the law to feed himself. After he commits the crime, he can be given empathy, but cannot he forgiven for his deeds. He still has to pay the price, which is ironic. 😆



so do you think a rich person stealing something and a poor person stealing something have same moral responsibility and hence same culpability?

or should it be proportional to their circumstances?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: karandel_2008



so do you think a rich person stealing something and a poor person stealing something have same moral responsibility and hence same culpability?

or should it be proportional to their circumstances?

If they commit the same crime, yeah.No one is above the law and everyone is equal in the eye's of the law.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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ok lets see what others have to say. My comments later.


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Posted: 16 years ago
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No, I am above the law. I am god himself. I can drink , do drugs, rape women, kill babies and eat meat in front of all temples. So there.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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An act of stealing by a poor person cud b an act of desperation or it cud B an easy way out to get ones needs fulfilled. An act of stealing by a rich person cud B due to simple greed or due to a psychological disorder called kleptomania. So I think in all fairness one needs to go into details of every case & use descretion . But I m afraid that as far as legal matters stand, the punishment will B same as per the crime committed , irrespective of motive.
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Originally posted by: gengarjetty2

No, I am above the law. I am god himself. I can drink , do drugs, rape women, kill babies and eat meat in front of all temples. So there.

😆Ya Get rid of Gandhiyan anti-scientific philosophy...cos according to him... Poverty has some spirituality in it,...so If you praise poverty as spirituality, naturally the poor person's ego is gratified..... Hence the poor people in India go on worshipping....its wrong...a change is imp....I believe because out of poverty all kinds of sins and crimes arise..... The poor man has not to be gratified, he has to be made aware, Do something and get out of your poverty.... If we go on praising the poor man he will becom more and more poor to becom more and more spiritual...I think people are duped and dulled by the saints, by the leaders, by the moralists.....if people are poor it is easier to give them beliefs, superstitions.....ya and easy to convert... If people are poor they are always afraid of hell and always greedy for heaven. The priests/mullas/other pandits can dominate them and the politician can also dominate them becos they are so poor...I think need to change public mind set in different way!!😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very interesting topic. This subject had bugged me for as long as I can remember. There is many other factors involved here, other than just the circumstance, including (but not limited to) intention, motive, its effect on the society, and a lot more. Once I wrote an article on it; will have to dig that out. Will come back soon.

Edited by PhoeniXof_Hades - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: karandel_2008

We have heard this dialogue so many times that no one is born a criminal, but society and circumstances make that person a criminal.

Thus, if a person is bad then that person may be so because of other factors not controlled by him or her.

For example suppose a person is born very poor and he cannot feed himself without stealing. Is he wrong if he steals? Thus, while deciding punishments, should we look at a person whether he/she is poor or rich?

Please share your views and my comments later.

Culture and religion play a great role on morality, not economy. There are plenty of people who are poor but do not engage in crime cuz it goes against their values. And then there are those who would kill a man for 50RS without thinking twice...

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