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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamindian

Well..... after reading these posts I would like to make a SHORT COMMENT that it's true that even kids disrespect elders in India, Youngsters Go to Pubs in India,children drink etc etc BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE..????????????????????? WHAT's the Percentage of PREMARITAL SEX IN INDIA? WHAT's the % Of Divorce?? How come the % of Divorce is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch higher in 'some' countries compared to India????????????????

The percentage rates r not the issue here . In fact I agree with your percentage rates . What I am trying to say here is if indeed the divorce rate is high in America , rate of pre marital sex is high in America , does that give us back in India a right to judge them ? For it is a highly developed nation , with progress that leads the countries ..........that definetely proves that there is much more to America than just high divorce rates , high pre marital sex rates . All that these percentage rates prove is that these r the social evils of a rich country .............and 'cultured ' India has its fair share of social evils too . ......like dowry burning , female infanticide , selling of children , even bride burning . The percentage rates of these social evils is much higher than any other country but it does not determine what really India is . We will not like it if people in foreign countries think of us as ' primitive ' . In fact , in the movie Namaste London we see a scene telling us precisely that . Akshay kumar blasts a Britisher telling him what India really is .
What we back in India need to know is hundreds of social disorders can be flung on our faces too if we really get into an argument by being judgmental about a foreign country . Also , it can be argued that the divorce rates in India r perhaps not higher as the judicial system in India is very grindingly slow , [ it takes years and years for a court case to get resolved and one wastes his life in pursuing the case instead of simply stopping and moving on as before ] ............and so much poverty and illiteracy is there in the rural areas that they dont even have money to hire a lawyer and be educated enough to fight a case in court . How many women back in India r really living in marraiges with their own wish or simply because they have fewer or no options ? It is a moot question that no percentage rate can ever answer . If they had education and a judicial system like the States what wud really be the picture can one even imagine it ? No Na ? Hundreds wud try to get out of oprresive marraiges , in law harassment [ a monstrous social evil ] .........and perhaps clamour for freedom .
Does the high divorce rate of a western country really give us a right to sneer at them and pat ourselves on the back saying we r indeed more cultured althhough we r poor ? That high divorce rate is the social evil that particular country is battling with due to its own economic , legal , geographical conditions .............just as we r battling with issues like chauvinism , domestic abuse , dowry etc due to our economic , legal and geographical conditions that go into making the culture of a country . Why shud we , instead of battling with our own issues like immense poverty or illiteracy , pass judgments on issues in other countries without even knowing anything about that country ?
Does our culture get enriched when we put down others as cultureless ? That is the point I am talking about . Ha hum gareb hai par Sanskaron mein tum se [ meaning US ] kahi zyaada ameer hai is clearly a superior attitude . Our Indian culture does NOT advocate ego .............it advises against it . So long as there is ego ............there can be no self realization in true sense . We can say Yes we r poor but we r rich in culture .............and stop there instead of adding tum logon se .........[ meaning US or any other foreign country ] . In fact when we talk like this on public stages or serials , we undermine our own beautiful culture with our judgmental , superior talk . Restrictions in India only ensure secrecy ............it does not guarantee that the social evils like premarital sex , rape , unwed moms , do not exist . Oh they exist allright , only under wraps . We see people in US going to support groups , therapies etc coz this country can afford it ............these facilities r not available in India so we find people hiding these things and sitting on it as they ' want to live in society ' . They wud probably deal with an unwed pregnant daughter by getting the foetus secretly aborted by a doctor in another state . My cousin who is a social worker deals with this day in and day out and she wud be apalled by the rates of these ' secret ' issues ............isues that never get to the statistic bureaus and in the percentage bracket as they r always very well hidden .
True that serials do portray partly the culture of a country . But honestly ...........look at the false portrayal. See Choti Bahu and tell me............are village women this dumb ? The India i see when i live in villages on my trips there is not like this . The atmosphere is rustic but it has sharp rustic common sense .............villagers r not devoid of an upper storey in their brain . R village women this stupid and submissive ? Even illiterate women r smart , fun loving , full of common sense . What rubbish do these serial makers deliberately show in portraying India ? Even city bahus r shown as extremely idiotic women enduring atrocities under name of sanskaars and whats more , their endurance capcity is glorified ! For instance , a bahu will tolerate her husbands affair and bring up his illegitimate child coz it seems Indian culture is ' once married sasuraal se uski arthi jaati hai !" Arre but in which text is this ridiculous statement written , please show us , for serial makers flaunt it in every damned serial at least once . On the other hand I can show a statement that is well documented and authenticated in writing in our famous cultural text ............the Gita ..............where it is clearly stated that bearing injustice is a far greater crime than doing it ! So how shud Indian culture be comprehended..............by that sasuraal se arthi jayegi thing [ we even see our hottie Manav saying this about Archana in his jail ] ............or by the fighting injustice spirit ? Will our stupid serial makers ever show such dialogues ever in serials and stop showing such outright nonsense in the name of glorifying Indian culture ? For glorifying Indian culture is done in only two ways.............by running down other cultures and not comprehending their own in the real sense .
It's also true that INDIAN LIVING ABROAD probably follow religion more than staying in India BUT Indians living abroad consitute even lesser than a minor% of the REAL Population of that Country SO WHAT INDIANS DOING{Or Not Doing} In that COUNTRY MIGHT NOT BE a CORRECT PROTRAYAL Of the Society of that Country...... It's BEST to refer to the SERIALS of that country made by People of That country..... KEKTA might be showing Western Culture in 'bad light' but what we see in the Serials in THOSE COUNTRIES are NOT WRONGLY SHOWN????????????????????????????? There are actually more night clubs,Nude beaches,Living Together relationships,Unwed Pregnancies,teenage pregnancies n last but not the least DIVORCE RATES outside India.... can that be really denied?😲
It's also Partially True that FREEDOM is lot more in FOREIGN Countries compared to the Indian Society where there are many restriction n 'taboos'..... for GOOD or for BAD is a different question !!!!!

I have answered in black above .............my viewpoint about this whole thing .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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{From KOOLSADHU's POST-
Does the high divorce rate of a western country really give us a right to sneer at them and pat ourselves on the back saying we r indeed more cultured althhough we r poor ? That high divorce rate is the social evil that particular country is battling with due to its own economic , legal , geographical conditions .............just as we r battling with issues like chauvinism , domestic abuse , dowry etc due to our economic , legal and geographical conditions that go into making the culture of a country . Why shud we , instead of battling with our own issues like immense poverty or illiteracy}
WELL ISN'T THAT RIGHT?? ISn't that exactly what ' THEY ' Do too??????? THEy are immensely proud of whatever Good they have and so Should we!! It's of course important to try to abolish the Bad but WE STILL NEED TO TAKE PRIDE on Things that ARE REEEEEEEEEALLY Wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than other Countries!! Look.... no culture is 100% PERFECT but it's very verrrrrrrrrrry important to take pride in the +ve points of your own culture.....even the HIGHLY DEVELOPED NATIONS Do that n there's nothing wrong in it.....Only when you're proud n aware of your inner qualities you can improve!! And this can be called EGO OR PRIDE..... I SEE IT AS PRIDE......... N I'M PROUD OF WHATEVER GOOD MY CULTURE HAS!!
And it's not that only the Postive things about India are being shown and Negative about other cultures are being Highlighted to PAT YOUR OWN BACKS😲 it's NOT that Indian Dramas have HID the 'evils' of the Indian Society......actually many Indian Dramas/movies have shown the Social Problems/-ve aspects also.... there have been innumerable movies concerning Dowry n harassment,Sati,Child Labour, Evils of Social Caste System,Corruption,Poverty..... INDIA HAS ALWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYS BEEN FORWARD AND 'BRAVE ENOUGH' to FACE THE TRUTH and FIGHT IT So it's not that only GOOD THINGS ABOUT INDIA and ONLY BAD or SCARY THINGS ABOUT WESTERN COUNTRIES are Being Shown in the Serials/movies.............. As I've said NO CULTURE is 100% perfect and the dramas or the movies also show that....
As we feel sad while watching the evils of Indian Society we should also feel Immensely proud to see n understand that our culture has some better n more 'developed' moral values than other 'developed' countries in this World....
Edited by iamindian - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamindian

Though we're moving away from the actual Topic Posted

{From KOOLSADHU's POST-
Does the high divorce rate of a western country really give us a right to sneer at them and pat ourselves on the back saying we r indeed more cultured althhough we r poor ? That high divorce rate is the social evil that particular country is battling with due to its own economic , legal , geographical conditions .............just as we r battling with issues like chauvinism , domestic abuse , dowry etc due to our economic , legal and geographical conditions that go into making the culture of a country . Why shud we , instead of battling with our own issues like immense poverty or illiteracy}
WELL ISN'T THAT RIGHT?? ISn't that exactly what ' THEY ' Do too??????? THEy are immensely proud of whatever Good they have and so Should we!! It's of course important to try to abolish the Bad but WE STILL NEED TO TAKE PRIDE on Things that ARE REEEEEEEEEALLY Wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than other Countries!! Look.... no culture is 100% PERFECT but it's very verrrrrrrrrrry important to take pride in the +ve points of your own culture.....even the HIGHLY DEVELOPED NATIONS Do that n there's nothing wrong in it.....Only when you're proud n aware of your inner qualities you can improve!! And this can be called EGO OR PRIDE..... I SEE IT AS PRIDE......... N I'M PROUD OF WHATEVER GOOD MY CULTURE HAS!!
And it's not that only the Postive things about India are being shown and Negative about other cultures are being Highlighted to PAT YOUR OWN BACKS😲 it's NOT that Indian Dramas have HID the 'evils' of the Indian Society......actually many Indian Dramas/movies have shown the Social Problems/-ve aspects also.... there have been innumerable movies concerning Dowry n harassment,Sati,Child Labour, Evils of Social Caste System,Corruption,Poverty..... INDIA HAS ALWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYS BEEN FORWARD AND 'BRAVE ENOUGH' to FACE THE TRUTH and FIGHT IT So it's not that only GOOD THINGS ABOUT INDIA and ONLY BAD or SCARY THINGS ABOUT WESTERN COUNTRIES are Being Shown in the Serials/movies.............. As I've said NO CULTURE is 100% perfect and the dramas or the movies also show that....
As we feel sad while watching the evils of Indian Society we should also feel Immensely proud to see n understand that our culture has some better n more 'developed' moral values than other 'developed' countries in this World....

Well of course ur entitled to ur point of view .
Me , I have unfortunately seen far too much poverty and corruption of my homeland especially when I lived with my social worker cousin and it was so horrible that I felt deeply for the afflicted people who literally sold their 'moral values ' to get rid of a far more serious problem..........poverty . I fast reached the conclusion that there is nothing good or bad in the world.............no superior culture or inferior culture . All these r man made egoistic trivia .........the truth is one is born in a certain state in a country and inherits the social evils of that state and country . India has a joint family system and inherits the social evil of harassment by in laws and dowry deaths .............US has a nuclear family system and inherits the social evil arising from that state ..............high divorce rates . Inspite of our dowry burning statistics we r not primitive if they cloose to believe that of us and inspite of their high divorce rates they r not ' loose character , immoral people ' as they r falsely portrayed in our serials or movies . We r simply people striving to survive the state in which we r born , amidst the social evils that surround us .
It is my wish as a viewer to see a somewhat fair and realistic presentation of both..........our and foreign cultures in serials . I am fed up of seeing us basking in former glory and currently behaving pretty stupidly in serials . I find immense impotence in that attitude . For instance , Choti bahu goes on and on about Kanha ..........Kanha Kanha it does all the time and shows stupidity galore using Kanha's name . The heroine Radhika actually lets her adoptive grandmother go free inspite of her being a vile ignorant evil woman who burns her alive , and poetic justice is served by Shankar bhagwan's snake and Kanha's cow chasing that mean grandmother . Not just that , that Radhika takes all the sins of her evil grandma on her body and becomes even more sick by arguing with Kanha . I mean please .........give us a break . This is NOT our culture .........this is some sick stupidity shown in the name of our culture and is frankly an insult to our culture . They deliberately do not show a single principle of Kanha in the Gita.....that do not bear injustice or shield evil doers . They do it coz they do not want to lose the suffering pulse ..........they believe that it is that formula that brings in the viewers..........the suffering of the heroines . Then to add more nonsense , as an add on , if name of US or foreign country drops in they start showing the we r poor but richer in culture angle , in the process implying that US is full of loose charactered , nanga punga log ............at the most it is only good for scholarships , otherwise it is a chee chee place compared to India . Again , give us a break . Portray India too sensibly and give some credit to foreign cultures instead of belittling them unecessarily without knowing the first thing about them .
We see Manav too saying to his baba in jail ..........Maine aisa suna tha aurat jab sasural jati hai uski arthi waha se jati hai .........lekin Archana ne toh hamari arthi utha di . Arre what is this morbid obsession with an aurat's arthi in these serials ...........and frankly why talk this way to prove that INdians marry for life and NEVER divorce ? If that poor woman suffers horrendous torture at the hands of her saas like SAvita , why the hell shud she wait for her arthi to go , why cant she show enough guts like Varshu in this show has to walk out of a really bad marraige ? Do we Indian women lack so much intelligence that we do not know the diffrence between a bad marraige and a cultural principle that changes and adapts to changing times ? That times have changed and although it is wonderful to be married for life and attain the status of a sati in heaven after death , it is a waste of human life and a sin to sit and endure torture of a saas only coz her arthi has to go ? Btw , why doesnt anyone ever talk about a man's arthi , ha ?😆
So all Im saying is .........anyone reading us , plz stop these ridicilous portrayals . They influence the Indians back in India wrongly ..........if they r the type to be influenced by TV , they start thinking it is extremely heroic to endure suffering instead of fighting it when they see their own culture so grossly miinterpreted , and if they hear of foreign countries they get a stuck idea in their head that only cultureless , bekaar people reside there . And Both these ideas r wrong .

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