The Tenderness of Love

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Posted: 16 years ago

A little emboldened by several positive comments, and in the off chance that someone from the KB production team occasionaly scours the net to see what is being said, I'd like to offer this:

I have to play catch-up since we're a good week behind as compared to all you lucky beasts in India 😭

Nevertheless . . .

I just got a chance to see the 5.5 min vignette from the episode where Abhi asks Simi to meet him in the kitchen. Everything between them from that point on was so sweet it made my heart ache . . . I could feel . . . palpably . . . the excitement of new love, the maddening desire to be with each other, to want to give a token of that love to keep thoughts of you alive - all to the point that you risk life and limb (I think had he been caught, Mr. Sethi would certainly have broken a limb or 2 of his, but spared his life 😊 ) to go on this crazy escapade . . .

The 2 in silhouette was a lovely touch from a dramatic standpoint . . . His gifting her that bell of his was just out of this world sweet (I simply cannot think of an adjective that characterizes it accurately) . . . yup, that's what happens . . .

I imagine this has little appeal for the pragmatists of this world, but for us 'suckers for romance' it's pure heaven ( I luuuuvvvvv well done romances 😊 ).

That said . ..

I hope they get to a point where those feelings melt into tenderness and he actually does more than just grab her hand/arm 😕 I'd like to see him hold her . . . and if kissing gets the production team into hot water with the moronic authorities, that could be dispensed with 😕 I cannot imagine that such a moment would cause shock or consternation among the viewers. Only prudes would object . . . but they're already long gone because the entire premise of the serial would have offended all their sensibilities practically from the outset . . . so who gives a fig!

I very cursorily read comments about the episode where there are barbs exchanged between the 2 (I wait with bated breath) and how awful & repugnant that was . . . how could he be so mean . .. how could she retaliate in equal measure . . . well . . . that happens too . . . jealousy followed by anger followed by nastiness followed by repentance . . . I cannot conceive how romantic love (as opposed to Platonic) would not entail such a state of affairs . . . bards sang of and extolled romantic, not agape love (as between a parent and child) . . . think Tristan and Isolde or Heer-Ranjha . . . shoot . . . who cares that it's all make-believe . . . it's a fairly recurring theme in literature, and now, film . . . in that well known 16th century bard Will Shaksepeare's (or de Vere (the 6th (?) Earl of Oxford thought to be him) Othello gets so jealous that in wild rage, he actually throttles his 'pure as the driven snow' of a wife to death . . . remember that?! Hell . . . Abhi and SImi calling each other you're such a kid' and 'you look old enough to be someone's mom' is laughably mild . . . how is it possible that Abhi would not be terrified (and jealous) at the prospect of losing her?!! To Nakul?!! Yuck!

I also like what's happening between the sisters . . . Simi is gently co-erced by Mili to confide . . . Neetu finds a confidant in Simi . . . lovely . . . of course there will be hypocrisy (Simi asking Neetu not to see Vicky in secret!! Wha?! Come again?!! ) . . . Of course there will be friction and threats but I look forward to seeing how these aspects are handled by the show's production team.

Go Sunshine Productions!! You have my vote!! 😊

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Bun Maska

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Posted: 16 years ago

God..............that was awesome.👏.........you are a gifted writer SVG.....true that was the epitome of romance.........and indeed we woman are suckers for lovestories ........so give us these tender moments to watch any day than watch the likes of Dagars and the RBs

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Lata
God..............that was awesome.👏.........you are a gifted writer SVG.....true that was the epitome of romance.........and indeed we woman are suckers for lovestories ........so give us these tender moments to watch any day than watch the likes of Dagars and the RBs

count me in yaar I am the biggest sucker for romance here👏 yes why don;t they throw out such villains. we have enough of manju anita mr and mrs Tarneja nd manju's friends so why bring a fauj or villains. leave abhi simi alone to adjust to each other.😊

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Bun Maska

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ramas
count me in yaar I am the biggest sucker for romance here👏 yes why don;t they throw out such villains. we have enough of manju anita mr and mrs Tarneja nd manju's friends so why bring a fauj or villains. leave abhi simi alone to adjust to each other.😊

no prizes for guessing that 😃..........so makes 2 of us and most of the women/girls here ........am sure most of us want to watch lovestories anyday..................eeks this dagar ka bachha........such a fake 🤢

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Romenas

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Posted: 16 years ago

Absolutely!Hopeless romantics!!!Wht2do??Hehehe!
By da way,SVG lata is ryt!u'Re a dam good writer i must say.Pls,try ur hand at writing an ff of abhi&simi.I'm sure u'll emerge as a great writer!

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belledejour

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal
A little emboldened by several positive comments, and in the off chance that someone from the KB production team occasionaly scours the net to see what is being said, I'd like to offer this:

Thank you for your offering... it was treat and not just for the thoughts expressed but also the word-craft... hope u keep keep at it!! Let this be one more reason for you to do so since u felt you had to justify your outpur ... or perhaps that little bit was to add to the whole-ness of the well-composed piece! a beginning a middle and an end! 😊

I have to play catch-up since we're a good week behind as compared to all you lucky beasts in India 😭

awww... there are worse things that can happen... imagine another lovers tiff! *horror... if its any consolation im not one of the "lucky beasts" either and there're plenty of us out there! 😊

Nevertheless . . .

I just got a chance to see the 5.5 min vignette from the episode where Abhi asks Simi to meet him in the kitchen. Everything between them from that point on was so sweet it made my heart ache . . . I could feel . . . palpably . . . the excitement of new love, the maddening desire to be with each other, to want to give a token of that love to keep thoughts of you alive - all to the point that you risk life and limb (I think had he been caught, Mr. Sethi would certainly have broken a limb or 2 of his, but spared his life 😊 ) to go on this crazy escapade . . .

The 2 in silhouette was a lovely touch from a dramatic standpoint . . . His gifting her that bell of his was just out of this world sweet (I simply cannot think of an adjective that characterizes it accurately) . . . yup, that's what happens . . .

I imagine this has little appeal for the pragmatists of this world, but for us 'suckers for romance' it's pure heaven ( I luuuuvvvvv well done romances 😊 ).

Yes!!! Oh yes!! but "well-done" is of essence here and thats where subjectivity rules supreme! To each his own!

That said . ..

I hope they get to a point where those feelings melt into tenderness and he actually does more than just grab her hand/arm 😕 I'd like to see him hold her . . . and if kissing gets the production team into hot water with the moronic authorities, that could be dispensed with 😕 I cannot imagine that such a moment would cause shock or consternation among the viewers. Only prudes would object . . . but they're already long gone because the entire premise of the serial would have offended all their sensibilities practically from the outset . . . so who gives a fig!

delayed gratifcation n all that! 😉

I very cursorily read comments about the episode where there are barbs exchanged between the 2 (I wait with bated breath) and how awful & repugnant that was . . . how could he be so mean . .. how could she retaliate in equal measure . . . well . . . that happens too . . . jealousy followed by anger followed by nastiness followed by repentance . . . I cannot conceive how romantic love (as opposed to Platonic) would not entail such a state of affairs . . . bards sang of and extolled romantic, not agape love (as between a parent and child) . . . think Tristan and Isolde or Heer-Ranjha . . . shoot . . . who cares that it's all make-believe . . . it's a fairly recurring theme in literature, and now, film . . . in that well known 16th century bard Will Shaksepeare's (or de Vere (the 6th (?) Earl of Oxford thought to be him) Othello gets so jealous that in wild rage, he actually throttles his 'pure as the driven snow' of a wife to death . . . remember that?! Hell . . . Abhi and SImi calling each other you're such a kid' and 'you look old enough to be someone's mom' is laughably mild . . . how is it possible that Abhi would not be terrified (and jealous) at the prospect of losing her?!! To Nakul?!! Yuck!

Oh yes It happens...Absolutely! Never has a tale worth telling been told without its rise and fall... but as a discerning viewer i ask (demand, if I can get my way!) to be taken along on the ride... i expect to atleast understand, if not feel (that to me is the epitome of great story-telling) the messy emotions... which didnt happen in this instance of nastiness... the whole thing felt half-baked and unconvincing and all those other things that have been said umpteen times here... not to mention i was already resentful because of the sudden change in perceived ages....anyway, did i mention "subjectivity" 😊

I also like what's happening between the sisters . . . Simi is gently co-erced by Mili to confide . . . Neetu finds a confidant in Simi . . . lovely . . . of course there will be hypocrisy (Simi asking Neetu not to see Vicky in secret!! Wha?! Come again?!! ) . . . Of course there will be friction and threats but I look forward to seeing how these aspects are handled by the show's production team.

Go Sunshine Productions!! You have my vote!! 😊

All said and done i can't wait for Monday... n that in itself is a reason for applaud... a great way to send the blues packing!

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Posted: 16 years ago

wowww tht was a gr8 topic & post..very-well written..u penned down all our feelings...i am also dying to watch some tender romance between abhi-simi....the kitchen scene was beauiful..especially whn simi holds abhi's hand...the expression he gives jst makes ur heart beat faster....i am jst dreaming agter all this trouble goes away how romantic abhi wld be.......w8ing impatiently for their passionate..possessive & romantic scenes..
once again u r a god-gifted writer...seriously u converted all our feelings into words so beautifully... 😊

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Posted: 16 years ago

Now I'm beginning to get a mighty swollen head 😊 but Thankee ALL who liked what I had to say.

Belledejour:

awww... there are worse things that can happen... imagine another lovers tiff! *horror... if its any consolation im not one of the "lucky beasts" either and there're plenty of us out there!

Great! Then we share the pain alike . . . shall we commiserate?😭

"well-done" is of essence here and thats where subjectivity rules supreme! To each his own!

You betcha! Some parts of the world are still free 😊 As of now, KB is holding on as well-done (better than being half-baked 😊 )

but as a discerning viewer i ask (demand, if I can get my way!) to be taken along on the ride... i expect to atleast understand, if not feel (that to me is the epitome of great story-telling) the messy emotions... which didnt happen in this instance of nastiness... the whole thing felt half-baked and unconvincing and all those other things that have been said umpteen times here

Well . . . you can no longer claim to not be a lucky beast 😊 You're already ahead of me 😭 But allow me the chance to change your mind after I've seen it ?

i was already resentful because of the sudden change in perceived ages....anyway, did i mention "subjectivity"

I give you permission to feel your feelings of subjectivity with complete abandon 😆 but . . . was the age difference ever explicitly provided in the preceding episodes . . . none in which I saw . . . however, consider this: does it really change the plot in any serious way? Reducing his age allows the writers to add more spice by giving him some more of those hilarious lines (see my other post on the 'do you like cast' thread - I'm getting ready to respond to stuff there . . . with another dissertation 😊 ) words that make sense from the mouth of a veritable babe 😊; the change while abrupt, may have had to be done for budgetary reasons i.e. surely Sunshine Prods. haven't a bottomless pit of money and so must cast their net to the same extent as Mr. Sethi has to spread his sheet (sorry for mangling the metaphors) and a story has to be told 😊 which is why I was hopelessly puzzled about what this tempest in a tea-pot was all about i.e. 'why don't they show some intervening stuff for consistency?' 😕 . . . why? . . . the budget constraints bite and how much intervening stuff would be sufficient? Down to each hour of each day? Furthermore, something must be left as an exercise for the viewer (anyone wishing to drop a few pounds/kilos can benefit from this 😆 ) . . . how I envision the intervening stuff is almost certainly different than yours . . . or his . . . or hers . . . or theirs . . .😊

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Posted: 16 years ago

Great! Then we share the pain alike . . . shall we commiserate?

On the contrary, let's celebrate! 🥳The internet is a wonderful thing ...not only has it made this exchange possible... it enables me to keep ahead of what's on here in London (yay!) I relish the regular showing of KB as a re-run and savour the bits I love!...and the parts I can do without are spent on fetching my baby's milk (lately that has been Manjuji's toxic rants... That is one infuriating woman!! 😡

you can no longer claim to not be a lucky beast You're already ahead of me But allow me the chance to change your mind after I've seen it ?

I invite you to do it... I'd like nothing better! ...but how are you awfully sure you won't change yours after you've seen it?!... 😊

was the age difference ever explicitly provided in the preceding episodes . . .

no it wasn't!... hence the use of the word "perceived"...and the ensuing feelings of deception and resentment!

does it really change the plot in any serious way?

Since you haven't yet seen what I'm going on about... its rather futile discussing the subject matter... but as I have strong opinions on the matter, like I've said elsewhere too, and I love intelligent conversations, or the next best thing (u see subjectivity, is a wonderful thng! 😊) here's my take on it...

So, to answer your question ... yes it does!

It takes away significantly from a brilliantly built character and it more-or-less annihilates the premise that Simi can't help being attracted to Abhi, (yes he's the first guy who has paid attention to her, not counting RB of course, but I'd like to think it had to do with his character too!) despite her innate resistance to the emotion, as it is so fundamentally against the dogma she has been brought up with by Manjuji (did I mention I find her nauseating). We got to know this Abhi closely. Simi is irresistibly drawn towards a sensitive, gentle, mature, intelligent guy. A heady mix of impulse and wisdom, of spontaneity and understanding. I could list numerous examples to support each of the adjectives I use to describe him but then that will become my Ode to Abhi ...tempting...another time perhaps 😊, or maybe not the way things are going! 😕). Anyway, she probably sees plenty (did you say something about envisioning the intervening stuff ) of the likes of the current cheeky, adorable Abhi at uni everyday hence the novelty of his character (he proclaims himself to the traffic wardern that he is "ek akela piece" ) is lost!

We, as the audience, got to know him even better! He was super-man in the flesh, (that metaphor was cheesy as cheesy can be but cheese is yummy on top of the right stuff! 😊) and not just for daring to wear that hideous T-shirt! He was the rock his mother and sister leaned on, stood upto his very formidable looking father, independent and critical of his parents' materialistic superficiality. Not to mention a crusader out to put right all that is wrong with the world single-handedly! Not incapable of making mistakes but gallant enough to own upto them and adult enough to face the consequnces. He declared to Simi himself that he can't see injustice happening to anyone himself or others. I can go on and on but u catch my drift 😊 (this is fast becomming the ode i was trying to avoid,,, isnt it! 😆)

Had we been told from the very beginning that he was 22 we'd have probably bought it.... 22 year old boys run on testosterone and adrenaline, but there can always be exceptions...heck exceptions are just the ones worth talking about...except, we were granted the liberty of making up our own minds about his age within reasonable limits ...we were presented with the facts that he was younger than Anita and still at school... and then he estimated himself to be 5-6 yrs younger than Simi (a cardinal sin, which ensues they changed their minds later!) ... We had him happily pegged at 24-25!

However the tempest in the tea-pot rose when the creators had him declare himself 22 in the thick of it all (having just robbed us of a perfect climax after building up to a crescendo, which was fine dramatically, the rise n fall of a story n all that!) and it became a mighty storm when they had him act like a pre pubescent boy in throws of his first crush... a complete 360 degrees turn from the qualities which made him the MAN for Simi!

Much to the horror of many of us, (the tempest in the tea-pot doesnt seem to e subsiding!) the offenses continue! Apparently it was not just an isolated episode of psychosis on his part for which we'd have forgiven almost as readily as Simi!

We lapped up the romance in the much-loved kitchen scene. But they're turning our intense, confident, together Abhi into a mischievous, impish (the bedroom scene with nakul.. yuk!) 22 year old more suited to Neetu's temperament than Simis!

Remember the calm and collected guy who quietly folded his arm and fixed her with a piercing gaze as Simi huffed and puffed at him about doing it for her family! Now they have him proclaiming that it was her idea to have Nakul and his family over for dinner!

Reducing his age allows the writers to add more spice by giving him some more of those hilarious lines (see my other post on the 'do you like cast' thread - I'm getting ready to respond to stuff there . . . with another dissertation ) words that make sense from the mouth of a veritable babe ;

Come now!! Surely there are a gazzillion other ways of adding spice!

I find myself strongly resistant to the premise that he is going to be invariably messing up! (your post elsewhere, I dare to respond here because I don't want to keep repeating myself!) WhiIe an Abhi with a perpetual foot in his mouth might be delightful even adorable he'd seem, like I said, more suited to Neetu than Simi. At best a shadow of his former self.

What a mighty fall from grace for our super-man!

the change while abrupt, may have had to be done for budgetary reasons i.e. surely Sunshine Prods. haven't a bottomless pit of money and so must cast their net to the same extent as Mr. Sethi has to spread his sheet (sorry for mangling the metaphors) and a story has to be told

Not reason enough to accept whatever they dish out... again surely they could have handled it better!

which is why I was hopelessly puzzled about what this tempest in a tea-pot was all about i.e. 'why don't they show some intervening stuff for consistency?' . . . why? . . . the budget constraints bite and how much intervening stuff would be sufficient? Down to each hour of each day? Furthermore, something must be left as an exercise for the viewer (anyone wishing to drop a few pounds/kilos can benefit from this ) . . . how I envision the intervening stuff is almost certainly different than yours . . . or his . . . or hers . . . or theirs . . .

I have no problems with intervening stuff... in fact I welcome it... but I do have trouble when the protagonists have split personalities and I'm not told! That'll need a lot of therapy! 😊

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Awesome! a whole bunch to bite into! I like to bite . . . keeps my teeth sharp! 😊

I invite you to do it… I'd like nothing better! …but how are you awfully sure you won't change yours after you've seen it?!…

Because in KB's case, I'm incongruously accepting of foibles . . .so, conceivably, able to go along with what comes next (I have my own version of what should happen that I will post shortly . . . after a shower and breakfast)

no it wasn't! … hence the use of the word "perceived"… and the ensuing feelings of deception and resentment!

Wow! Deception?! Resentment?! That's rather intense i.e. not commensurate with the degree of the crime . . . c'mon let's give them this one - of course as long as they don't turn Abhi into a snivelling idiot . . .

Ok . . . she is uninitiated in such matters (well . . . she's not much better in other areas too), so you're right in your assessment of the cause behind the attraction (gee . . . now I'm beginning to get seriously concerned about how drastic his character change actually turns out to be) . . . see, when he professed to being 22, his demeanor afterwards did not suggest a pre-pubescent boy (not to me anyhow although his self disparagement was a bit weeeured) . . . on the contrary, he's goofed and is really struggling to express his feelings, terrified by the possibility of the love not being mutual and having to deal with the consequent hurt and disappointment . . . for the first time in his life he has completely unfamiliar feelings . . . 'nooow what do I do?! ' Surely, 22 yr old men are capable of such vulnerabilities just as well as a 24-25 year old . . . that's why be blurts it out so abruptly . . . which was perfectly consistent with the ambiance of the moment . . ..

she has been brought up with by Manjuji (did I mention I find her nauseating)

Yes you did 😊 I would characterize her as someone who sees the world through very narrow lenses (and certainly not rose tinted) . . . a stickler for tradition . . . incapable of thinking outside the box . . . but someone had to be given that dirty job to allow the audience to come to an understanding of why Simi is as subdued as she is . . . a steady diet of criticism of the worst kind, from an authority figure, would beat almost anyone into a quivering pulp . . . so from that standpoint, Manju's flaws are reasonable flaws . . . to be fair though, she does have a soft side that comes out occasionally e.g. when that lovable bimbo, Dolly Chachi, is voicing her 'suspicions' about there being some kind of love connection with our Simi and both Simi and Mili suddenly 'materialize' to mitigate any damage 😊 she looks at Simi and very lovingly asks 'is that true Beta?' Think of how ecstatic she would be if Simi confessed & the fellow was 32, not 22 . . . joy oh joy! I can just see her doing a Polka . . . uh . . . I mean gidda/bhangra . . . around the house 😊

He was the rock his mother and sister leaned on, who stood upo his very formidable looking father, independent, critical of his parents' materialistic superficiality.

Gee . . . how did I miss out on the relationship with the distaff side of the family 😕 he's their rock because he comes home to help Anita out ? (does he? I wasn't into KB when that may have transpired . . . infact, when he made his first appearance, I thought 'gee, what a geek'!!, but then he came thru with the line about 'sure it's good to care about others, but not at the cost of it's being detrimental to yourself' . . . which made Simi reflect . . . and me not see him as quite such a geek . . . he'd moved up to being a twit 😆) ? His father does look intimidating (do you remember the actor from Jodha-Akbar where he was Bairam Khan?), but if not egged on by his imposing wife, could actually be a softie (he will be in my rendition of the future) . . .

We had him happily pegged at 24-25! We had him happily pegged at 24-25!

Men simply aren't going to take a giant leap - a la Neil Armstrong - between 22 and 24/25 in their maturity level . . . it's more reasonable to think that if he was a mature 24/25 yr fella then he was mature at 22 as well . . . which makes the change in age largely moot . . . for me

Simi is irresistibly drawn towards a sensitive, gentle, mature, intelligent guy. A heady mix of impulse and wisdom, of spontaneity and understanding.

And I still see those characteristics in him . . . that may be attributable to the insane bias I've developed . . . so, while I haven't seen the putative volte-face episode(s), right now, he shows great sensitivity and gentleness when he returns his bell to her as a gift; he shows impulsiveness and spontaneity by sneaking in in the first place!; he showed understanding by relenting - however reluctantly - to keep their relationship secret for her sake; he showed wisdom and courage by wanting to air his feelings - albeit tacit - to all and sundry . . . going through with that decision would have created a ruckus of a kind never seen before on the planet (I exaggerate of course 😊 )

the likes of the current cheeky, adorable Abhi at uni everyday and it detracts from her character, in my eyes

my assertions above refute this . . . I haven't seen his - again putative - puerile side . . . yet . . .

cardinal sin was committed when they had him act like a pre pubescent boy in throws of his first crush

Boy . . . I missed that . . . and I watch the show so intently . . . twice as a matter of fact . . . 'in the throes of his first crush?!' . . . nah . . . it's the first time he's in love not lust . . . and that confuses the living bejeezus out of him . . .

the offenses continue!

Right now, I'm 4 episodes behind so cannot comment . . .

(the bedroom scene with nakul.. yuk!)

haven't seen this yet . . .

22 year old more suited to Neetu's temperament than Simis!

In my opinion, he could never be temprementally suitable for Neetu (who's having to grow up awful fast thanks to her 'indiscretion') . . . until her involvement with the slimey Vicky, she was a confirmed dimwit . . . and Abhi's transgressions aside, surely they haven't altered him to that level . . . gosh I sure hope not . . . what a potential letdown . . . and I'd have to go back and redo one helluva lot!! 'Maata Rani, save me from that outcome!!' 😔 (I have long dispensed with the affliction of gods and appeals for their help, so this is a joke)

Now they have him proclaiming that it was her idea to have Nakul and his family over for dinner!

Well . . . yaaa . . . he's royally pissed at her for enforcing a gag order & now has to deal with this intruder and wretched situation . . . it would all be over (at least Nakul would have exited & they would not have to resort to secrecy) if he could come out and let everyone know about their relationship . . . that there will a volcanic eruption is inevitable (a little tempered in my version 😊) . . . so he's going to lash out with total fabrications - the result of a frenzied mind (and would have even at 24) . . . but I have yet to see this episode . . .

Come now, surely there are a gazillion other ways of adding spice!

Ok . . . but I'm not seeing him any different at 22 . . . not thus far at least . . . tomorrow is another day 😊

I find myself strongly resisting the premise that he is going to be invariably messing up! (your post elsewhere, I dare to respond here because I don't want to keep repeating myself!) WhiIe an Abhi with a perpetual foot in his mouth might be delightful even adorable he'd seem, like I said, more suited to Neetu than Simi.

That whole damn thing was meant as a joke!!! That I got not a single response may be because the humor was waaaay too 'Uhmurican' . . . the point of that silliness was to have women scramble to line up for the chance to get their bodies out to help Neil/Abhi extricate himself from a mess (not to establish the frequency of his faux pas) . . . now . . . would you give up the chance to run into Abhi?!! It's not all over tho' . . . there's still p l e n t y of time to sign up y'know (I'm cracking up as I type this - the American in me is really tickled) 😆

Not reason enough to accept whatever they dish out...

Agreed . . . we, KB'ites don't want to have the show end up an abomination . . . like most of the other schlock!

That'll need a lot of therapy!

Now now dear . . . take a deeeep breath . . . in . . . hold . . . out . . . one more time . . . (hope you can discern the humor in this) . . .

Man . . . I have to go get that shower . . . I'm beginning to smell myself . . . ripe as cheese!! 😊