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return_to_hades

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Posted: 16 years ago

#261

The biggest problem that really faces any country in the world today be it Pakistan or any other is denial. As institutions run by humans, all countries are flawed and subject to irresponsible behavior and decisions. The problem really begins when people start denying that there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Speaking of brainwashing children into terrorism. I think the problem is more prevalent in Somalia, Rwanda rather than Pakistan. Irrespective of the country it takes place in, the fact is that selfish people are using innocent children for their own selfish purposes. Innocent children are being robbed of a childhood and are being either coerced or seduced into a life of violence.

Does it matter whether the cruel selfish humans are Somalian, Pakistani, Afghani or even Japanese for crying out loud - common humanity tells us mindless violence is wrong and one should fight it no matter what.

Dwelling on the past is never going to fix problems, nor is a current problem is going to be fixed by trying to repair past misgivings. It does not matter what traumatic life event made a person an alcoholic, nor can he travel back in time to make better choices. We have what we have and - we have the choice on what we want to future to be.

Pakistan has made mistakes in the past. Pakistan is at a fragile political state torn between two extremities, two conflicting views on the world and Pakistan's role in the world. As they say sometimes people are their own worst enemy - so it is with Pakistan. The country needs to awaken to the fact that it has a problem with extremists and extremism - and find a tangible solution.

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chal_phek_mat

@chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 16 years ago

#262

Originally posted by: mahikhan
LOL itna tu Pakistan bhi argue nahi ker rahe😆

they find it more interesting in teaching to fire a AK-47 in crowd full of women/children

Edited by chal_phek_mat - 16 years ago

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chal_phek_mat

@chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 16 years ago

#263

In a situation when someone feels hurt, it is not the person who is inflicting the hurt who gets to decide what is hurtful and what is not,

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
The biggest problem that really faces any country in the world today be it Pakistan or any other is denial. As institutions run by humans, all countries are flawed and subject to irresponsible behavior and decisions. The problem really begins when people start denying that there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Actually the biggest problem that faces a country is people like populism more than unpleasant actions, but that is another debate😆

Speaking of brainwashing children into terrorism. I think the problem is more prevalent in Somalia, Rwanda rather than Pakistan. Irrespective of the country it takes place in, the fact is that selfish people are using innocent children for their own selfish purposes. Innocent children are being robbed of a childhood and are being either coerced or seduced into a life of violence.

Nope the Problem is more pronounced in nations and people that have a feeling that they are being prosecuted and any such person spreads that message and beleives in that message are the biggest culprits. As an example you will see colored folks scream racism rather than trying to accept everyone gets a bad break and it is not always about race or religion, but folks always do it

Does it matter whether the cruel selfish humans are Somalian, Pakistani, Afghani or even Japanese for crying out loud - common humanity tells us mindless violence is wrong and one should fight it no matter what.
People resort to voilence when someone ignores or belittles or refuses to addess their issues for a prolonged period of time
Dwelling on the past is never going to fix problems, nor is a current problem is going to be fixed by trying to repair past misgivings. It does not matter what traumatic life event made a person an alcoholic, nor can he travel back in time to make better choices. We have what we have and - we have the choice on what we want to future to be.

I am sorry that is a shifting attitude, when you are on the other side one always says that, and that irritates the victims further and do that long enough and they will lace themselves with RDX and blow you away

Pakistan has made mistakes in the past. Pakistan is at a fragile political state torn between two extremities, two conflicting views on the world and Pakistan's role in the world. As they say sometimes people are their own worst enemy - so it is with Pakistan. The country needs to awaken to the fact that it has a problem with extremists and extremism - and find a tangible solution.

Everyone has made mistakes, but they feel that have a valid gripe against all the external parties and if the external parties keep on ignoring the issues, Pakistan will keep on using the measures that make the other parties feel the pain. Pakistan knows they cannot fight the other countries straight on, they have to resort to these actions, unfortunately people started taking things seriously and started putting their mouth where their money was and this happens, you gotta admit, they atleast are trying to practice what they preach, which cant be said regarding a lot of the so called democratic nations😉

On a side note, please remember this is a debate😉

Edited by chal_phek_mat - 16 years ago

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chal_phek_mat

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Posted: 16 years ago

#264

Originally posted by: souro
When you say divide and conquer then two things come to mind. First, India only helped an oppressed group of people achieve their independence (and that too only after the oppressed asked for independence and the oppressor started killing them)
Even the Brits said similar things while illustrating how horribly we treated our minorities and women and inflicting Divide and Rule. That is the same as ever intervention that America does in another country😆

. Second, there was no conquering from India's side following the division.. Conquering the enemy is more fun, India basically managed to split the strength of the enemy in half by doing this, that is the biggest conquest

As far as likening it to Pakistan's role in Kasmir. India didn't send mercenaries to Pakistan to blow up people or to drive out Muslims from East Pakistan.

Again go back and check the RAW activities in that period. Indira Gandhi was notorious in using RAW for these reasons. Ask any Pakistani and they will say they got the inspiration of ISI from RAW and Indira Gandhi

India helped Bangladeshi freedom fighters legally through it's own army in uniform and not some terrorist.

One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, depends on which side of the debate you are on, they are just interchangeable terminoligies

India doesn't deny that help and neither do they deny that those who helped were from India. And ultimately the fact is it was Pakistan who attacked first both in case of Kashmir and Bangladesh. The same way India attacked in KargilPakistan even got a portion of Kashmir and then went ahead and gave a portion of it to China. That is their choice and shows their altruistic nature

Really, I don't see much similarity with India's position on Bangladesh in 1970s.

It completely depends where your sunglasses are made in 😆

They could have easily thrown away the refugees and blocked their entry. Ultimately only because Pakistan attacked did the war start.

As I said Indians did not get caught with their pants down😆, Go check the news accounts, India was planning to attack in Winter and Pakistan just attacked first😉 Atleast they were wiser than we were during the Kargil thing😉

I was actually speaking historically. Most of the muslims there had migrated from the other side. And many muslim rulers of the region started driving out Hindus. That started long back. Strangely and I don't know why but Hindus even when they became rulers never persecuted muslims for their religion.

It all depends on how far back in the history you want to go,If you go back 500 years ago, they were more Hindus, so we should declare India as a Hindu state. 2000 year ago we had half Aryan state and Half Dravidian state, so the first half should declare their affiliation with Nazi Germany

The fact is India Pakistan were divided on Religious lines, the terms and conditions were, more muslim majority goes to Pakistan, more Hindu majority goes to India. Kashmir in 1947 was more Muslim than Hindu and it belonged to Pakistan.

What happened in 1990s was just a repetition of history.

What happened in 1970 was Majabir Rehman won a election. Yahya Khan overturned a democratice decision of the E Pakistani people, there was resentment in E. Pakistan. India used that event to fan Anti Pakistan feelings

What happened in 1990 was Rajiv Gandhi overturned a democratic decision of the people of Kashmir, there was resentment in the J&K, Pakistan used that event to fan anti India feelings

So I agree it was a replitation of history😉

And anyways, both Pakistan and India had decided that princely states will have the power to decide whether they want to join Pakistan, India or remain independent. Kashmir wanted to remain independent but Pakistan launched an attack on them.

Only then the Maharaja of Kashmir asked for India's help (and no India didn't interfere in their affairs to begin with). So, it was Pakistan who breached what was decided upon from the very beginning.

The King wanted to remain independant, the people wanted to join Pakistan. And India was a democracy meaning where you go by the will of the people

Sorry I wont have time to carry forward this debate, so I will give you the last word

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Ramsha Saud

@ram92

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Posted: 16 years ago

#265

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Well then manhiji, I think you need to correct yourself when you say that all terrorists in pakistan are aghani's, because you yourself just said that they are indeed pakistani nationals even though you claim they have been brainwashed. A terrorist is a terrorist in my eyes? They may well just be little innocent kids who have been brainwashed, but they are still young pakistani nationals who have the capability to carry out suicide bombings right?😉and erm, how do you know that there are hardly any suicide bombers above the age of 20? I do not need to have relatives in pakistan to know that this is not a fact.

@ram92: I agree that tali ek hath se nai bajti lekin there is a reason why there is less than 2% concentration of hindus in pakistan however in India the numbers have increased very rapidly don't you think? Forget about 1947, there are stories all the time how people are forced and converted as they are poor hindu farmers in karachi who did not have enough money to flee the country.

I am glad that my grandparents chose to flee pakistan when they had a chance, otherwise I wonder where I would be and how i'd be treated in the modern day pakistan.

anyway, my point was that I don't really care a damn if these so called 'kids' at the age of 16/17 are being brainwashed and that being used an excuse because to be honest, those 'kids' have the potential to take the lives of many many innocent ones.

Mana k india has more muslim population than pakistan has hindu population. But this does not demonstrate that all the muslims living in india r in peace and all the hindus living in pakistan r living a terrible life. Y r u forgetting that what happen to the common muslims in gujrat incident in 2002. And whats happening to innocent muslims living in kashmir. U must be knowing that y kashmiri muslims r protesting against indian soldiers. M not deciding this thing for myself that kashmir should come to pakistan or it should be with india. M really shock and disappoint to know about kashmiri Muslims lives over there.

Edited by ram92 - 16 years ago

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souro

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Posted: 16 years ago

#266

Originally posted by: chal_phek_mat

Sorry I wont have time to carry forward this debate, so I will give you the last word.
What?? Again?? Anyways... even I won't have much time too. With Diwali coming in a couple of days I'll be travelling to Baramullah in Kashmir. 😆

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366774

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Posted: 16 years ago

#267

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

I didn't realise a lil typo would come under scrutiny but thanks for pointing that out MAHI. Is that ok now?

Anyway people will always come up with silly excuses but this terrorism needs to go. I don't think I could stand something like another Mumbai attack. :(

And i dont think i could stand gujrat conflicts again i lost a best friends sister in MA i told you that earlier problem lies everywhere....annd thanks..for clearing your point on my name it wasnt that big though i was only kiddin...thanks...