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Posted: 15 years ago
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It was a treat reading the post followed by all the reply's,
Koolsadu you are very articulate and obviously very well read. I agree with you on most parts, specially about television sending a wrong message, specially when they don't know how it would affect the viewers. We are in a day and age when the television has become a part of everyday life and the media has an amazing capacity to make a difference in a very positive way. But unfortunately most often this previlage is misused. I think producers, directors, creatives start off with a good intention. To provide entertainment, send a message and then obviously make money off it. But in the process of daily dealings and problems/situations they come up with easy alternatives. I say this from some personal experience, since i know some people very closely who are in script writing and know how exactly the industry works. Very often they have the writers change for silly reasons, they have some parts or scenes put in because some producers or actors think they need to be in. So I really don't think that when the so called creatives are writing a story they have thought of how the character is going to grow or what will happen next. Un like a movie where there is a start, middle and an end. The soaps go on depending on viewership, demographics, budget and finally daily problems like some one is sick or not wanting to work any longer and so forth.
We as viewers can only try to voice our opnion so that if some one is reading they would think of making appropriate changes. Having said that I do want to ask a question and that is why is the scene of taking bangles out of the flame so disturbing. I understand teenagers watching and family's of middle class not being able to control what the kids watch to certain extent. But why is it MORE disturbing than AMMA abusing Rads ALL the time? Why is it more disturbing to see Rads taking them out of the fire than Amma actually throwing it in? or characters like chachaji, mrinalini, arjun coming up with these plans of distroying someone? People like Devki (loving mother) not standing up for her daughter. Its finally a message a person takes from a scene. The chance of some one actually mimicing the scene that is getting some valuable out of a flame for the sake of love is very remote. But the chance of a young individual not standing up for what is right and taking mental abuse from people in our society is very high.
The scene was followed by Dev throwing away the bangles which was very significant, saying that these material things don't matter. Its the way a person looks at it. I feel its more important for the kids to have a stronger understanding of right and wrong behavior. Now again cutting the hand scene was not something i enjoyed personally. But i did not understand it that well. It was very disturbing and the reasoning was not good enough for me.
And I am not saying that Rads putting her hand in fire was something i enjoyed but it had drama and good follow-up. I did not from any angle think what Rads did was right. But I enjoyed her intention behind it, her love for DEV and the message that was sent to Amma, Followed by Dev's reaction. People do crazy things in love like Koolsadu mentioned how Parvati starved herself to attain Lord Shiva.
This serial has shown some amount of spiritual, mystic actions in the past not making it an everyday story. Like the part where Rads is locked in her room and she needs to go to do the puja and magically the door gets opend and they kind of show that it was lord krishna that did it. So one can look at the fire scene and think that her hand did not get burned completely or she did not get third degree burns because lord krishna was protecting her.
Again just my opinion If I have said anything to hurt anyone i am really sorry. this was a very interesting discussion.

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Posted: 15 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: devradhika4ever


Having said that I do want to ask a question and that is why is the scene of taking bangles out of the flame so disturbing. I understand teenagers watching and family's of middle class not being able to control what the kids watch to certain extent. But why is it MORE disturbing than AMMA abusing Rads ALL the time? Why is it more disturbing to see Rads taking them out of the fire than Amma actually throwing it in? or characters like chachaji, mrinalini, arjun coming up with these plans of distroying someone? People like Devki (loving mother) not standing up for her daughter. Its finally a message a person takes from a scene. The chance of some one actually mimicing the scene that is getting some valuable out of a flame for the sake of love is very remote. But the chance of a young individual not standing up for what is right and taking mental abuse from people in our society is very high. <br>The scene was followed by Dev throwing away the bangles which was very significant, saying that these material things don't matter. Its the way a person looks at it. I feel its more important for the kids to have a stronger understanding of right and wrong behavior. <br><br>



Wonderfully said devradhika4ever!!!!http://www.india-forums.com/smileys/smiley32.gif
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Posted: 15 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: devradhika4ever


Having said that I do want to ask a question and that is why is the scene of taking bangles out of the flame so disturbing. I understand teenagers watching and family's of middle class not being able to control what the kids watch to certain extent. But why is it MORE disturbing than AMMA abusing Rads ALL the time? Why is it more disturbing to see Rads taking them out of the fire than Amma actually throwing it in? or characters like chachaji, mrinalini, arjun coming up with these plans of distroying someone? People like Devki (loving mother) not standing up for her daughter. Its finally a message a person takes from a scene. The chance of some one actually mimicing the scene that is getting some valuable out of a flame for the sake of love is very remote. But the chance of a young individual not standing up for what is right and taking mental abuse from people in our society is very high. <br>The scene was followed by Dev throwing away the bangles which was very significant, saying that these material things don't matter. Its the way a person looks at it. I feel its more important for the kids to have a stronger understanding of right and wrong behavior. <br><br>



Wonderfully said devradhika4ever!!!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Perhaps she is just tasting happiness now but .........
she has still hidden the truth from Dev .
Nothing excuses that . Let us wait and see how the truth unfolds . If Radhika tells it or Vishakha and Nandu .
If Radhika doesnt............she can never redeem herself in my eyes at least . She put that decent man thru hell . Her happiness now doesnt obliterate that .
I am waiting to see if she tells the truth . She had hurriedlly slapped vishakha to stop it coming out........I cannot forget that as a viewer . There is a limit to conning a man .😊

I agree with you on the above mentioned statements. I also hated Radhika when she slapped Vish to stop her from revealing the truth to Dev. How manipulative our Radha Rani can be!
But, still, I sympathize with her (except when she used "Dev's love for her" to manipulate him).
I wrote a long reply but while posting my Pc lost internet connection and couldn't post the matter😭😭😭. It's 3 am and I am too tired to retype the whole matter. Anyhow, you all are soooooo intelligent and I need not express my thoughts so elaborately.
PS: All your posts this weekend were mind blowing⭐️.
Edited by razor12 - 15 years ago
devradhika4ever thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thank you angake, there was one discussion where everyone was talking about how Rads can only respond to physical pain when it comes to Dev but ignores to see the mental pain he is going thru. Similarly i think we all are getting very concerned with the physical pain Rads is going thru and we think the media needs to change this or stop this. According to me the physical pain will heal but the mental torture/and elaborate plans to destroy people so closely related to you is very hard to forget and may not heal ever. I very strongly feel that the media needs to put a strong messge across but need to show it at the core level which will give the younger generation some inspiration and some role models to look up to.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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devradhika4ever, it is right what you say about mental torture. It takes ages to heal and most of the time the trauma doesn't disappear. The tortured person keeps accepting more and more abuse. Unfortunately, it is a vicious cycle. Some of the soaps (non-hindi) my Mom watches are just horrific. I can't even begin to say about the way women are treated in these shows and are also considered acceptable. I specify women because it is pre dominantly women who are shown to be abused. Abuse is abuse wether it is towards women or men.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: devradhika4ever

It was a treat reading the post followed by all the reply's,
Koolsadu you are very articulate and obviously very well read. I agree with you on most parts, specially about television sending a wrong message, specially when they don't know how it would affect the viewers. We are in a day and age when the television has become a part of everyday life and the media has an amazing capacity to make a difference in a very positive way. But unfortunately most often this previlage is misused. I think producers, directors, creatives start off with a good intention. To provide entertainment, send a message and then obviously make money off it. But in the process of daily dealings and problems/situations they come up with easy alternatives. I say this from some personal experience, since i know some people very closely who are in script writing and know how exactly the industry works. Very often they have the writers change for silly reasons, they have some parts or scenes put in because some producers or actors think they need to be in. So I really don't think that when the so called creatives are writing a story they have thought of how the character is going to grow or what will happen next. Un like a movie where there is a start, middle and an end. The soaps go on depending on viewership, demographics, budget and finally daily problems like some one is sick or not wanting to work any longer and so forth.
We as viewers can only try to voice our opnion so that if some one is reading they would think of making appropriate changes. Having said that I do want to ask a question and that is why is the scene of taking bangles out of the flame so disturbing. I understand teenagers watching and family's of middle class not being able to control what the kids watch to certain extent. But why is it MORE disturbing than AMMA abusing Rads ALL the time? Why is it more disturbing to see Rads taking them out of the fire than Amma actually throwing it in? or characters like chachaji, mrinalini, arjun coming up with these plans of distroying someone? People like Devki (loving mother) not standing up for her daughter. Its finally a message a person takes from a scene. The chance of some one actually mimicing the scene that is getting some valuable out of a flame for the sake of love is very remote. But the chance of a young individual not standing up for what is right and taking mental abuse from people in our society is very high.
The scene was followed by Dev throwing away the bangles which was very significant, saying that these material things don't matter. Its the way a person looks at it. I feel its more important for the kids to have a stronger understanding of right and wrong behavior. Now again cutting the hand scene was not something i enjoyed personally. But i did not understand it that well. It was very disturbing and the reasoning was not good enough for me.
And I am not saying that Rads putting her hand in fire was something i enjoyed but it had drama and good follow-up. I did not from any angle think what Rads did was right. But I enjoyed her intention behind it, her love for DEV and the message that was sent to Amma, Followed by Dev's reaction. People do crazy things in love like Koolsadu mentioned how Parvati starved herself to attain Lord Shiva.
This serial has shown some amount of spiritual, mystic actions in the past not making it an everyday story. Like the part where Rads is locked in her room and she needs to go to do the puja and magically the door gets opend and they kind of show that it was lord krishna that did it. So one can look at the fire scene and think that her hand did not get burned completely or she did not get third degree burns because lord krishna was protecting her.
Again just my opinion If I have said anything to hurt anyone i am really sorry. this was a very interesting discussion.

devradhika4ever.........

First , let me tell u that ur reply honestly made my day . I read it and angake's reply on another thread ........with my morning cuppa tea and enjoyed it . She too has written superbly just like u.

Want to answer ur question about why such scenes .....like sliitting the wrists or removing bangles from the fire r more disturbing than Amma throwing the bangles in the fire with venom , or Amma verbally accusing Radhika all the time .
See , it is simple . Serials reflect Life and run coz people see Life on Tv to which they relate ........with a little drama thrown in to entertain them . And Life has two aspects.......The Controllable ones and the Non controllable ones . Characters like Amma , selfish people like Mrinalini and Susheel who want money all the time ......who don't mind crossing any limits to get lots of wealth r a reality of life that cannot be controlled . Honestly , such characters do exist in plenty in real life too . Amma is not selfish on Mrinalini's level . Her selfishness is diffrent..........it is the selfish attitude of favouring her own blood and wanting the best for her alone . Amma herself is content wearing plain sarees , living with Lalla in his modest cottage , eating plain fare . She wants Vishakha to have all the good things in life . It is a kind of illogical , uneducated love that stops at nothing..............even at verbally abusing and destroying a human who she views as a threat to her darling grandchild's happiness . People like Amma are a veritable reality ..........they exist in every aspect of life.............people who take God's name full day ..........but in reality never do anything altruistic even by mistake . So r people like Susheel , who want lion's share in property all the time . When such realities r depicted on TV , our grown up children shud see them coz in a sense , they get prepared for Life in general . It is a jungle out there .........this Life , and the more they r aware of these uncontrollable aspects of life.........that is , nasty people , selfish people who stick at nothing to do politics at job level , in their in laws house , in property and estate matters ........the more better it is for them to know what they exactly r in for and how to handle them..........when to ignore people like amma , when to go to court with people like Susheel , how to be unfazed when they encounter this reality ...........that they r not gonna meet only good people all the time . Selfish people who scheme r the uncontrollable aspects of society that our children better learn to deal with in the right way .........sheltering them there is not really good for them . Let them be smart , let them learn how to handle such elements , and how to survive . Witholding this reality from a child is , in my opinion , telling him that Life is Fairyland and not preparing him for the world . While watching Amma on this soap.........my son quickly remarked one day that she was exactly like one of a relative that we knew in India who took God's name whole day but harassed her daughter in law . I was happy to see he noted that coz ........he was learning to categorize people . Good for him , I thought . It is infinitely better Than assuming that all aged people r gonna be like Dadima . They aren't . So in this sense , let them know about life .
But slitting wrists to emotionally blackmail sumone albeit with a noble intention , or putting hand in a fire and removing presents that ur fiancee has given to u coz u feel thats expressing love fall in the controllable aspects of societal norms.............Human nature is an uncontrollable factor , but Reaction to anything is definetely within our control . So Reacting violently to express love.............whether it is slitting wrists to protect ur father or getting hands burnt to express love for ur fiancee can surely be controlled and need not be advocated is my opinion . Yes I wudn't mind my teenager nephew noticing an Amma , but I wud definetely be concerned about the slitting the wrist part.........his teenagerish mind is like a raw sponge where he may just infer that is is indeed the supreme expression of love to do such a thing . He may even try it one day if a girlfriend ditches him.........standing under her balcony and slitting his wrist . One never knows . So all I hope is such expressions r love r not glorified ..........instead , it shud be shown that Radhika smartly tells Amma that the bangles r only a symbol of the love..........what can u do about the love in our hearts that will never be erased ?
I wudnt mind my teenager nephew watching a scene in which sumone gets burnt y accident though . Again........thats a reality , such accidents do happen . It is the senseless glorification of immature concepts of love that I object to ...........not reality . Let our teenagers grow up saying .......so what if the gift is destroyed ..........another gift can be bought .........hands once burnt will be useless and I wont be able to do pretty much anything for myself or my loved one . Pragmatism can have drama too ......I advocate that .
Chance of someone emulating this is much higher than not standing for verbal abuse . My thoughts r exactttly ulta .😊

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