Decriminalise homosexuality in India? - Page 16

Originally posted by: sandya_rao7

i personally i like yoga but i hate ram dev baba. besides is he not a baba? baba means they have got nothing to do with society. they have left this world(sansar). so what has he got to do with what is happening with this world. he should just stick to teaching yoga. and coming to his comment those who call themselves hindus they sld learn the basic thing abt hinduism that is to respect women. besides he really dosent have any right to talk this way abt a women and call himself a yogi.
if he a yogi then he should leave the rules to society and concentrate on their tapasaya.
and last but not the least if u say actress are like this and that then even we know what sort of character these so called dhongi babas have.

Well said, Sarina. I think you have summed up the entire argument pretty well with that post of yours. If he indeed is what people are saying him to be, then he must be a good person. If he had indeed saved the lives of millions of people, curing 'diseases', then I would hold him into high respect. However, that doesn't mean that I would / am going to tolerate things that goes against humane morality. His comments on "curing" gays is laughable, and the comments he had thrown at Celina is just plain obnoxious.

Other than this aspect, I have nothing against him if he is a good person indeed.

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Why single out only Celina, then? What about the other hundreds of thousands of actors/actresses who are following the same lifestyle[s]?
Also, why all of a sudden? Why is it, that the moment Celina stood up for gay rights had she been accused of 'having no morals'?

On the contrary, she did refute each and every single accusations that had been thrown at her (not only the ones from Ram Dev Baba), with valid and logical points.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Baba Ramdev is not perfect, but he definitely is the better of the lot. My grandmother and other family members are quite a big fan of his and watch his programming regularly. From what I have seen Baba Ramdev is quite intelligent, knowledgeable and spiritual. A large portion of advice and remedies he gives is pretty good. Yoga is very effective and is a combination of physical and mental exercise that keeps a person fit. The benefits of Yoga are scientifically proven. Herbal medicine is also effective. As a matter of fact modern products came from herbal remedies, where they extract the active chemical from a plant or natural source that performs a function. He does have a certain amount of good information and spiritual guidance. So if he wants to preach it and people want to follow so be it. Totally agree with u 👏

However, he is no super human or flawless. Many of the times he goes overboard and some of his cures and suggestions seem to be ridiculously flawed. Actually, I would have considered him a respectable person till until recently. It is frowned upon for any human being to make judgments or pass comments on another person's personal life be it sex life or anything else. Anyone who wants to be a spiritual or religious leader is held to a higher standard. The kind of comments and judgments he made about Celeina just dropped his respect level and credibility way down for me. ..same here even im shocked

As a citizens of India both Celina and Baba Ramdev have the right to voice their opinion on what the law ought to be. As influential people they both have the right to sway people towards their opinion. But none have the right to make personal attacks against each other. Then ultimately the Supreme Court has to decide what its final decision is. That's why we have courts ' to settle disputes. 👏..very well said

This is a landmark decision for South Asia which I fully support. But I am not Indian really so I should be more like IOOOOWAAAA!!!. Anyway, this will be interesting how the courts further interpret this. For if homosexuality is legal, it could automatically make gay marriage legal. India is in a unique place where we have separate marriage acts based on religion. The special marriage act which is the more secular one for interreligious and special cases has no restrictions. In fact special marriage act even allows for gay marriage the only caveat so far being that the consummation would have been illegal. It depends how Hindus interpret the Hindu marriage act ' for there are progressive Hindu communities and religious leaders supporting gay marriage, and Hinduism is not really organized based on the directive of leaders but more on what people choose to follow. Legal caveats and complications are always fun.

omg! How can we not give gay people their rights? Gays are people just like us straights. sorry for my word usage. anyways, that is how I will refer to them. ANyways, omg. Straight people are born straight and gays cant help that they are gay. they have a natural attraction for the member of their own gender. Same with us straights who have an attraction - NATURAL - towards members of the opposite gender. When I see a hot guy, my heart races. Its natural as opposed to what people think, that gay people choose to be gay. ANd they can if they want, but its science. Gay people are born with a hormone that makes them attracted to the same gender.
If straight people can marry straight people. And black can marry white. And indian can marry white/black/etc. Then why can a man marry the one whom he loves? a man? And a woman marry the one she loves? a woman? It is not right and it is a denial of human rights. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT> IT IS THE ANSWER TO ALL PROBLEMS>
Anyways, why do people really care about the actions of others? i think we should let them THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

No offence but her comebacks really weren't all that😆

Are you talking about Celina?

Originally posted by: *Devilstarrs_9*

... when something different happen its always religious people
come foreword and oppose ...

Err ... well, while I'm no fan of religious fanatics, I think your statement was a bit generalized (and watch out! We have many of them around here 😆). Not all religious people are against new changes, neither does all religious people stick to old, traditional way of life. It might sound difficult to digest, but I know of a couple of very pious Muslims and Christians (haven't come across a Jew yet) who are all for legalizing gay marriage in their respective countries, stating that the judgment should occur between the creator and the creation - and none should have the right to judge another fellow human being except for the creator Himself. We have Jew/Christian/Muslim people who are trying to reconcile religion and one's sexuality on the same frame, as well.

Originally posted by: *Devilstarrs_9*

whats the problem of
of anyone?

Not pinpointing at anyone, but I feel homophobia exists due to one's own insecurities. People who are absolutely secured about their own sexuality and life do not oppose anything against homosexuality or homosexuals - even if they are religious, because they know that a fellow individual living his life the way he wants isn't going to be a cause of earthquake or tsunami. It is our own insecurities which makes us prejudiced and discriminatory.