wtf - 12 jul '09 - Page 2

Originally posted by: Sweet_Kandy

awww..very nice estee...👏👏 enjoyed reading it
😃 thanks! i kinda had phun writing it... now if only i can [B]complete it! but the premeer-at is being tooo distracting!! 😡

😆

Originally posted by: ash08

E,

Waiting for the smiles.

ash! argh! now i am feeling totally guilty. i've been trying to collect smiles for the last one hour. but i keep running into old show caps that keep distracting me... like these:
and i forget what it is that i was supposed to be doing in the phirst p(h)lace and just phrooll... 😍

Every week when I read ur wtf, the first thought i get of wtf is.........
(going and standing in the corner now😆)

😲 very... not unusual! 🤣 gee, you'd have figured not to admit it by now at least... unless that corner has something/someone that i should know about!!! 🤣

Gotta run. But agree with u. Awaiting the day when Chahat will take on gaali-mom.

yes! *fiercely!*

have phun!!

Originally posted by: she100

after the entry of chahat,,,,,,,,though she is so shweet cutee,,,,but still i m scared of heer being ignored,,,,,,may b,,,,may b not,,,,,or i m totally wrong,,,,,,,

*sigh* i guess we just have to w&w, no? but these two -- prem-and-heer -- are so incindiary. it will be a shame to not use that passionate chemistry of theirs, no? 😃 😍and why d'you think heer will be ignored? i think heer will remain the main target of prem's acquisition focus no? i think he and chahat will become pals quite quickly -- it'll be heer that prem is going to have to woo and seduce? 😍

guys i hav noticed one more thing,,,,,,,don't u guys think that chahat is quite resemble with heer as well as prem,,,,,, but,,,,,,she talks like mehar n preet,,,,,,,,,,,,,but her nose is like her grand paa,,,,,,wat u say dear,,,,,,,,well keep couting,,,,,,,,,should i ,,,,,,should i not,,,,,

😆 yes, chahat is quite a lovely mixture of characters -- i think she will be a lovely addition to prem-heer-are-one. but prem-heer-are-one will remain central, i think.

Originally posted by: shantaus

can't wait for Prem-Chahat-Heer.

ya... me neither... 😍

I have few questions that I PMed you.

saw 'em -- i also saw your post at the thread. but so far this night, i've not had time to read the whole thread. one angle through which i have a difference of opinion on some things you said was that no-one seems to think of the sheer difficulty to live on nothing.

i guess it's the difference between the material/physical and the emotional/mental. and perhaps we tend to focus more on the emotional/mental 'cause we take the physical for granted. it's easy when you have no questions or uncertainty about the physical/material. otoh, if you are struggling to feed yourself everyday, that can get to be a different landscape of choices altogether, i guess.

one of the things that was different between heer and prem - well, six years ago - was heer walked out with absolutely nothing, no? she owned nothing. she had no-one. she just walked out (apparently) on prem. i could be wrong -- but i got the sense that she didn't have anyone to go to in particular?

prem, otoh, had his family, his home. to whatever extent we think gaali-maa is evil, with heer not there, she has always offered her support and her love to prem. i know that this doesn't quite address the mental/emotional issue, but the material/physical barrenness with which heer (apparently) started on life again was harsh. and then, she suddenly has a child to support on her own!

that's truly harsh! in the traditional setting of small towns and villages, people die in such situations.

so while i have no idea whether heer ever tried to meet and tell prem 'bout his child, i think that she certainly had the child after the family moved off to can-atta. so she was on her own. then after child was born, she moved to delhi -- hopefully, she was already hired/working by then. hopefully, she was not struggling to feed and clothe and house herself and baby.

on the emotional front, prem had guilt on his side. prem then chose to shut himself off. to not talk. to not share. to wallow in his grief. personally, the unacceptably odd thing 'bout this story is how he did it for six long years, given such a loving family as he started off with.

here's my take: there was something big and dramatic and bad that happened which fragmented the bond between the brothers. and this seems key to increasing prem's isolation. but the fact of it is also that: prem chose it. and for me, choice -- personal choice and being able to exercise it -- is a huge luxury. prem chose not to speak to meher. or kuldi. or (indeed) gaali-maa. he shut himself off. he wanted only heer. he couldn't get heer. he shrugged off the rest of the world. it's not like the rest of the world shrugged him off, i think. if he did reach out, he could've had his sister, his sister-in-law, his little nephews and nieces.

instead, prem chose to punish himself. and inadvertantly punish the others around him, who might have benefited from his being there, talking to them, playing with them. prem punished certain people in his family just as much as he was punished by (certain) other people in his family.

the only luxury that i can imagine heer having on the emotional/mental front over prem on the emotional front is that she got to start afresh: with new people including a new baby. prem had to deal with known people. heer (apparently) chose to embrace the new people and living with them. prem (apparently) shut everyone out. both of them apparently made different choices.

and btw, i don't quite agree with the statement that having a baby would've made heer's life much easier than prem's -- on any front -- either physical or emotional! on the physical front, baby would definitely have been a constant worry. (which is why, btw, i adore the fact that heer looks so gaunt just now -- if i were the director of the show, i'd make sure that ag lost weight for this period 'cause i think heer would've gone thorugh reasonably harsh deprivation these last six years.) and on the emotional front, babies can be hell -- especially if you have problems feeding 'em. well-fed babies are happy babies can be fun. not-fed babies are a really really sad sight. and a terrible thing to have as a responsibility to shoulder by yourself. single mothers with little babies on the street or starving are one of the most horrible sights ever. they can get sooo desperate.

but back to prem-heer: the really odd thing is that both of them are still the same old prem and heer from before when all this trauma began! no? for both of them, the only people in their life that matters are each other. i think that heer certainly didn't get any joy from anyone she knew during the six years. her baby has just grown up now for heer to share her life with in any real sense. and similarly prem didn't get any joy from anyone he knew either. both of them were emotionally barren -- prem out of choice, heer (probably) out of little choice.

so i have made a lot of assumptions about where and how heer started. maybe it was not as bad as i assumed -- maybe gaali-maa paid off heer to shut up about chahat to prem? either 'cause heer was starving and she had no choice? *boohoo and too dramatic for this show, methinks.* or more likely, there was some extreme form of emotional blackmail/manipulation that gaali-maa pulled off on naive heer -- like she played her on that samir-in-leather stunt -- and managed to get heer to leave. and somehow convinced prem also that they need to get out of india?

who knows? 😆 i tend not to do this much -- 'cause in the past whenever i hvae done this, i come out .... like prem who thought that heer was getting married to that guy! 😆

'cause y'know? my personal favourite theory is: that prem has been tracking all of heer's movements all this time? that he has been helping her all along in little unknown ways?

no-one believes this. but me? i can't understand how prem could've lived without doing all this... so this is what i will believe until they tell me a different story. w&w? 😆

Originally posted by: ektay11

awwww...its soo good estee...i loved reading it

😃 thanks, i'm glad it made sense.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

About Prem may be insecurity is the right word or may be not i dunno ... he is so guilt ridden that when heer said how her vishvas her love of so many years was broken he couldn't do anything except bow his head down and walk away because he is the one who is responsible for it! If prem has become insecure about heer its quite understandable isn't it?

hey soaps! 😆 yup, sure it's understandable that he has been guilt-ridden all this while (even if it's something that he should've rationalised his way out of -- but apparently prem has blanked out that awful night with sharab and the wrong shabab. 😵

and so, yes, i think it's understandable that when he first came back to india, and saw heer with that guy, his insecurity would be riding high. but one of the things that i thought i saw in the whole dancing-heer bit was that

• prem first saw heer dance happily, felt bad.
• prem then saw heer turn unhappy, walk off and stand quietly in the corner, twisting her hands -- her standard misery position. 😆
• prem then goes to phhandooh her -- and sees her sad.
• only after that does prem get the courage to grab her into a quiet corner and tell her that he loves her, and only her. waits for her, and only her. he had taken courage from her misery -- surely he must've thought of it as something to respond to with his luuuv statement? if there was no hope of heer returning his love, why would he have done it anyway -- wouldn't such a thing just make heer miserable?
• never mind -- maybe he just had to get it off his chest.
• but after finding out about heer not marrying that guy, prem can't just walk away. that's ... odd.

Heer i dunno, i totally understand her being hurt by that one act of Prem ... but i am still unable to take the disgust with which she talked about Prem with that aunty ji ... there has to be more than that ashlesha thing for this behavior of hers don't you think so?

what behaviour of heer's -- when she checked up with the hotel manager before she went? she was terrified that she would run into prem! she has run into him -- had all the wounds of her heart open up to the old love and the old hurt. so much so that she forgets how to smile for the rest of the function! i could understand her not wanting to see him again..

when she was talking with aunty-ji, i thought she sounded bitter -- about people asking too many questions. partly i thought that was a hint to aunty-ji -- she was deliberately trying not to tell aunty-ji too much? partly i thought this had something to do with why she is trying to keep chahat from prem?

And why oh why did heer hide about Chahat from Prem? I won't say much will wait and watch but i am afraid they may not show us what happened six years ago and Ashlesha thing might be the only reason

i think i wrote a long thingie in the bt,lt in reply to kdhmdfan -- who was wondering the same thing, about heer and chahat. and i agree -- there has to be something that we don't know yet, haven't seen yet to explain this seemingly excessive paranoia heer has towards not letting prem know...

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1213008&TPN=3

well, no point in being afraid 'bout something we know we will have to patiently wait for, no? *sigh* i think you have the same problem i do -- i hate waiting! i need to know - like now! 😆

I too want to know what happened six years ago after Heer left with junejas to turn them all like this sighs but will we ever know? one thing i ave always hated about the show is how they keep such answers hidden forever and once they reveal it as a viewers you feel cheated cause the explanasion is so stupid... hoping against hope they don't do it this time
yup, me too... me toooo! 😃 and maybe this time the explanation will be good!

Originally posted by: KDHMDfan

hi E!

Just wrote a reply in your 10th july bt lt and then realised that may be it should have really gone here. feeling to lazy to write another reply so just going to paste the whole thing here!

'kay. acutally i saw it there and replied to it there... i just realised that i've been on this phorum for the last four hours -- starting at 12 midnight! ya... that is not good! 😆 need sleep...

Originally posted by: Anhdara13

See, first I didn't think it, then I saw your reservation for the second part, and I thought it.

And I'm just waiting for the pooja. So this is my spot.

🥱 ya... a pooja was planned. 'twas a good plan too... problem is, i got distracted. by lots of other ebil posts. and now, it's 5am. and some tea has to be dished out at 7:30am.

i am soo doomed... 🥱 see you your holiness. 🤗 one of those ebil posts was your story -- you are sooooo giving it out in dribblets, aren't you? ebil. i want to know what happens next - now! no... er... what happens next - now? forgive me for not replying there. i mean to --

Originally posted by: estee

🥱 ya... a pooja was planned. 'twas a good plan too... problem is, i got distracted. by lots of other ebil posts. and now, it's 5am. and some tea has to be dished out at 7:30am.

i am soo doomed... 🥱 see you your holiness. 🤗 one of those ebil posts was your story -- you are sooooo giving it out in dribblets, aren't you? ebil. i want to know what happens next - now! no... er... what happens next - now? forgive me for not replying there. i mean to --

Originally posted by: estee