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Posted: 16 years ago
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Sachin!! 🤗nice to see u here!
n yaar i was also totally confused..dunno what was goin on? saroj khan was saying something...deepak was trying to explain something but i guess kisi ko kuch samajh nahi aa raha tha..lol... n after all that SK gave them a 10..that was the most surprising part 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: ManaliS

Sachin!! 🤗nice to see u here!
n yaar i was also totally confused..dunno what was goin on? saroj khan was saying something...deepak was trying to explain something but i guess kisi ko kuch samajh nahi aa raha tha..lol... n after all that SK gave them a 10..that was the most surprising part 😆

Hey Manali!!😛 Long time!!!!!!! How hv u been😊
Ya, i found this part really funny😆😳 sarojji was in her own world yesterday...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: mysticwater24

@jinniez

But there is a difference between the dresses of a Kathakali dancer and yakshagana dancer......i checked both costumes on google just now.

thanks for ur information...😊
infact i am clueless about these south indian classical dances.. i am punjabi, i understand only bhangra and that too a freestyle bhangra........also these are not popular in our bollywood ..may be thats why our bolly choreographers dont need to concentrate on these dance forms or have less knowledge about it...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: smallwonder

Wat was it with Deepak and his Guruji 😆😆😆 Deepak suggested it was some unknown dance form that he wanted to bring to the forefront... Then when mistakes were pointed out, he introduced his guruji😆😆 Then guruji was asked to come and Saroj put him under the scanner to which he danced a step😆 and had no convincing answer 😆



There was no mistakes... points brought out was their ignorance on the dance form.. i think deepak's guru had a language problem, if they asked the questions in English, he would have given proper answers.. since he is from southindia, language problem was there and could not explain to them..

i would like to again bring the differences in the dance form here..

In kathakali the following are very imporatant

Expressions (Natyam, the component with emphasis on facial expressions)
Dance (Nritham, the component of dance with emphasis on rhythm and movement of hands, legs and body)
Enactment (Nrithyam, the element of drama with emphasis on "mudras", which are hand gestures)

Mudras are very important, if you miss mudra you missed everything..so vaibhai was mistakenly pointing it out to deepak that there was no murdras...

Yakshagana form in which singing and drumming merge with dancing, and words with gestural interpretation,

In Deepak's performance there was no words to show gestural interpretation with mudras.. and that is the reason why his guru came on to the stage and was showing the same action with the hands..

now sarojkhan though questioned him, got his point of action and that is the reason why she gave 10.. bec she immediately understood..

Where as vaibhavi could not get the concept it self and she was talking about kathakali and mohiniyattam ( which was no where near yakshagana 😊) and was not happy with the explanations..due to that reason they lost 1 mark..

There is also difference in the costumes of kathakali and Yakshagana.. in kathakali dressing the characters as identified with colours on the face.. like green colours is been used to show the good characters and green colour on the faces is very important in that format of dance..

so immediate recogination can be given to these dances looking at costumes.. which as a judge vaibhai failed to notice..😲😲😲 and ridiculed herself..


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: jinniezz

thanks for ur information...😊
infact i am clueless about these south indian classical dances.. i am punjabi, i understand only bhangra and that too a freestyle bhangra........also these are not popular in our bollywood ..may be thats why our bolly choreographers dont need to concentrate on these dance forms or have less knowledge about it...



Frankly i also don't have much knowledge about South Indian Dance styles.......but i know the difference between a Kathakali dress and Yakshagana dress.......at least i knew Kathakali form of dancing and its style from beforehand.......thats why while seeing the act i knew that it was not Kathakali but something else.......the name of the dance form i came to know later 😉.......also maybe these forms of dancing are not popular in bolly.......but i feel if someone is a dancer or a choregrapher he/she should gather knowledge about all types of dance forms.....and this is one of the oldest form of Indian dancing so its shocking that the choreographers had no whatsoever knowledge about this 😲
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: lats55



There was no mistakes... points brought out was their ignorance on the dance form.. i think deepak's guru had a language problem, if they asked the questions in English, he would have given proper answers.. since he is from southindia, language problem was there and could not explain to them..

i would like to again bring the differences in the dance form here..

In kathakali the following are very imporatant

Expressions (Natyam, the component with emphasis on facial expressions)
Dance (Nritham, the component of dance with emphasis on rhythm and movement of hands, legs and body)
Enactment (Nrithyam, the element of drama with emphasis on "mudras", which are hand gestures)

Mudras are very important, if you miss mudra you missed everything..so vaibhai was mistakenly pointing it out to deepak that there was no murdras...

Yakshagana form in which singing and drumming merge with dancing, and words with gestural interpretation,

In Deepak's performance there was no words to show gestural interpretation with mudras.. and that is the reason why his guru came on to the stage and was showing the same action with the hands..

now sarojkhan though questioned him, got his point of action and that is the reason why she gave 10.. bec she immediately understood..

Where as vaibhavi could not get the concept it self and she was talking about kathakali and mohiniyattam ( which was no where near yakshagana 😊) and was not happy with the explanations..due to that reason they lost 1 mark..

There is also difference in the costumes of kathakali and Yakshagana.. in kathakali dressing the characters as identified with colours on the face.. like green colours is been used to show the good characters and green colour on the faces is very important in that format of dance..

so immediate recogination can be given to these dances looking at costumes.. which as a judge vaibhai failed to notice..😲😲😲 and ridiculed herself..


Thanks for your superb explanation stating the difference between the 2 dance forms 👏👏. I do feel there was a communication gap. Will Judges not knw before hand on wat dance forms are the contenstants dancing on ??? If yes, atleast they could hav done some reasearch abt the dance form and given their comments if they are not aware of it...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sramac13

Thanks for your superb explanation stating the difference between the 2 dance forms 👏👏. I do feel there was a communication gap. Will Judges not knw before hand on wat dance forms are the contenstants dancing on ??? If yes, atleast they could hav done some reasearch abt the dance form and given their comments if they are not aware of it...



they should have known about it.. as they are supposed to visit the contestents.. as we have seen them giving lot of tips.. the performance cannot be a hidden fact from the judges.. they should have enquired and did some research into it..
Edited by lats55 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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As someone who hails from the birthplace of yakshagana - I was oh-so-pleasantly surprised and happy to see that Deepak chose to do yakshagana at the beginning of the performance. coz it was the first time i saw someone do it on a dance reality show. he did a beautiful job of it and i expected the judges to appreciate him for it.
but it was disappointing beyond words to hear vaibhavi begin her comments asking if it was kathakali that he just performed. and what followed was pathetic really with both saroj khan and vaibhavi making complete fools of themselves - i really wanted to yank them off their judges chairs and send them to get some basic knowledge of dance forms before appointing themselves the ultimate authorities in dance . i mean these airheads think dance is just samba , salsa and their bollywood jhatkas ?
anyway - i have become a huge fan of deepak - the man deserves kudos for doing something unique and for his wonderful performance
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Posted: 16 years ago
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All three of the judges were unaware of the dance form but later they talked to the guruji disrespectfully and as if were trying to teach him. Saroji was talking without having the knowledge of the what the danc eform is. Ignorance from the judges...not a good thing. they shud have learned what type of performances were to be ddone that day and elarned a few thigns about it before embarrassign themselves on national television.

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