Reality of 17 yr old girl being beaten by Taliban

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Remember the video in which 17 yr old girl is being beaten by "supposedly" taliban for being with a boy???
The reality is that the video was artificailly made to defame the image of Islam and muslims.
This act was not based on Holy Quran's instructions.
Excellent Article from Orriya Maqbool Khan (Urdu)
http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_...00596216-2.gif

Summary (in English):

1) I have spent 10 years out of my 25 year working Career grappling with crime (and its investigation) and the last 19 years of my life have been spent writing TV plays, shooting them and long part of my work is spent on the editing table going through shot-images frame-by-frame and I have spent my talent on this video and gone through it frame-by-frame and whoever has shot it has employed wicked and evil trickery by intentionally not showing any buildings, roads or landmarks (so the location can't be identified) and not focused on faces (so people can't be identified)…The faces of the perpetrators are not covered YET they are scared for their lives and NEVER ONCE look directly at the Camera.

3) It is DEAD OBVIOUS that the voices are dubbed later as there is no background noise (from the crowd) and you often hear the sound BEFORE the lash actually hits the girl

4) I believe the final editing may have been left out because the girl simply stands as soon as the lashing STOPS…Its like a director saying "CUT" and the Heroine breaks into a laughter after doing a scene in which she was crying (a moment ago).

5) The language being spoken and the dialect is NOT from SWAT!

6) Syed Muhammad Javed was my colleague in the Civil-Service Academy and he is now the commissioner in Malakand Agency (*) and he says "I swear by Allah that this incident has NOT occurred in SWAT"


Girl Flogging in Pakistan: Part I

1) First and foremost notice the BBC deception in their "edited reporting" of events in two different languages.

a) The English version shows a truncated video of 53 seconds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7980899.stm

b) The Urdu version shows the longer video which is 2 minutes and 4 seconds!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia...flogging.shtml

Most of the clues are off course in the longer version of the video clip.

2) BBC erroneously continues to report TNSM as Taliban e.g. the media is trying to create a negative figure in people's hearts and minds, e.g.:

a) Person wearing Shalwar Kameez

b) Long Beard

c) Turban

d) Carrying weapons

a,b,c & d must be Taliban and must be ignorant, backwards and barbaric! Most people in NWFP fit all four (4) categories above and are therefore automatically condemned (in global news).

'And most importantly anyone looking like above must by default be Taliban and Islamic Shariah must be put on trial

3) TNSM have already condemned this video as FAKE!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2..._fake_na.shtml

In the Press-conference TNSM spokesmen "Muslim Khan" stated that the only women flogging in SWAT was administered to an older women who had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law and 16 lashes were administrated by " FOUR (4) MALE CHILDREN" in an abandoned building!

The four (4) children were presented to the general public and given a chance to answer questions.

Notice that the BBC has reported this in Urdu but failed to translate and carry this in English!

4) Anyone who subscribes to the views of "Publicly flogging people" also believes that Photography and Video is HARAM! So why would they let someone film this story?

TNSM spokesmen "Muslim Khan" conducts his press conferences with his face covered because they believe that photography is HARAM and for the first time when this video broke, he actually uncovered his face in a News conference!

5) Watch the video and ask yourself, "Are these decent images which someone supposedly trying to implement Shariah will broadcast"?

6) The girl in the video gets lashed 34-36 times! I don't know any punishment in Islam which is 34-36 lashes? Notice in three (3) that TNSM lashed an adult women 16 times for having an affair with her father-in-law and this teenage girl gets lashed 34-36 times? How??? What???

7) The girl gets lashed 34-36 times and then gets up instantly and starts walking straight! Most people won't be able to get up and walk for days after getting 36 lashes

8) People of SWAT are generally of short stature and fair skinned, these guys don't look like from SWAT at all!

9) The dialect of PUSHTO is not from SWAT

10) At 1 minute 4 seconds the guys who is flogging SLAPS AND HITS the guy who is holding the girl down! Ask yourself is that part of Islamic Shariah. Note: BBC have skipped this scene!

11) While slapping and hitting he tells the guy to hold the girl right and CURSES HIM, The curse is in Punjabi (not in Pushtu) and the whole accent is distinctly from Hazray? Ask yourself would anyone trying to implement Shariah Curse?

12) Lastly, THE SMOKING GUN! Why? What will TNSM win by advertising this video?This hurts their cause rather then serve it!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks for clearing it up. God knows what fun people gets from defaming others religion/belief.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I don't get it. Is this topic somehow defending Taliban?

I think if we look at the big picture then it doesn't matter if we are convinced about the authenticity of this video or not. There can be many technical issues and it is very difficult to prove things for example in the case of this video. For instance, a bad video recording device can cause synchronization problems between video and voice. Thus, if there is some voice offset then it may not mean that the voice is dubbed, but simply that the recording device was not of high quality.

If Taliban thinks that the video is false then why doesn't it make public statements condemning the acts shown in video?(edit: I see that TNSM has condemned the video)

The big picture is that Taliban is bad for Pakistan as is clear from their agenda of banning girl education, recent attacks in Pakistan et cetera. This video just added more negativity to their image which is already very bad. It doesn't matter much if we argue on the authenticity of this video. It is clear that agenda of Taliban is not to advance, but to degrade things back to medieval ages.

Edited by karandel_2008 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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edited on second thought

Edited by return_to_hades - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very convenient. They didn't show roads, they didn't show buildings, the faces were not clear, the girl yelping (which is the only thing we hear) that doesn't come right after the whip lash, the crying is not in a particular language, so it is fake, is that what you mean. Is that what you or the author call a proof that the video is fake?? What a load of BS
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I hope that Taliban take over Pakistan now and let all Pakistanis enjoy Taliban brand of justice.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sam_84



4) Anyone who subscribes to the views of "Publicly flogging people" also believes that Photography and Video is HARAM!
---HARAM!!! ?? those people dont know wats haram n halal you try to second them? they cultivating Drugs there its not Haram? killing 100s of innocent people there its not haram....
So why would they let someone film this story? ..its mobile cam vdo..


TNSM spokesmen "Muslim Khan" conducts his press conferences with his face covered because they believe that photography is HARAM and for the first time when this video broke, he actually uncovered his face in a News conference!---millions of muslims in this world they watch vdos n tv...and they taking snaps n vdos too? !! If those who can watch these Vdo n snaps...when they start doing it ..how it become haram?!

5) Watch the video and ask yourself, "Are these decent images which someone supposedly trying to implement Shariah will broadcast"? Ya i dont think its FAKE...I think you dont know about history n life style there thats why try to tell its fake.

6) The girl in the video gets lashed 34-36 times! I don't know any punishment in Islam which is 34-36 lashes? Notice in three (3) that TNSM lashed an adult women 16 times for having an affair with her father-in-law and this teenage girl gets lashed 34-36 times? How??? What???
Whatever they doing its WRONG...........Its their ignorence make them to do these things...am aganist the people who doing these things..not against the religion...

7) The girl gets lashed 34-36 times and then gets up instantly and starts walking straight! Most people won't be able to get up and walk for days after getting 36 lashes--its not big deal...After getting bullets also people start walking...

8) People of SWAT are generally of short stature and fair skinned, these guys don't look like from SWAT at all!..........so who are they? Actors from Afgan?

9) The dialect of PUSHTO is not from SWAT

10) At 1 minute 4 seconds the guys who is flogging SLAPS AND HITS the guy who is holding the girl down! Ask yourself is that part of Islamic Shariah. Note: BBC have skipped this scene!

11) While slapping and hitting he tells the guy to hold the girl right and CURSES HIM, The curse is in Punjabi (not in Pushtu) and the whole accent is distinctly from Hazray? Ask yourself would anyone trying to implement Shariah Curse?--- Its pushtun lang.........

12) Lastly, THE SMOKING GUN! Why? What will TNSM win by advertising this video?This hurts their cause rather then serve it!

My dear friend Plz read Womens rights in Afganistan!!😳enormous number of Afghans, mainly women, trying to commit suicide to flee violence in life...the latest news I read in Kabul more than 600 incidents of suicide attempts have been referred to this hospital during the past 12 months...

July 12, 2008 - Two Afghan women just prior to being executed by members of the Taliban in Central Afghanistan. The women were accused of running a prostitution ring near a U.S Army base.

Associated Press photo of women, the day after they were shot by the Taliban
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While the new law is seen by some as being "worse than the Taliban", it more of a "two degrees of separation". Here are some of the Taliban's "current" restrictions:

– Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

–Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

–Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

–Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

–Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

–Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.

–Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.

–Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).

–Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).

–Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).

–Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)

just chill
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Posted: 16 years ago
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It really dosent matter the video is genuine or not bcoz we all have been seeing hearing all abt taliban and there is no doubt abt its rules intentions and all that. i think its the women who should revolt now. bcoz it really dosent make sense to expect such men to fight for them or think of their well being. so instead of becoming a terrerist they should learn war tactics from them and kill them only.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: SolidSnake

I hope that Taliban take over Pakistan now and let all Pakistanis enjoy Taliban brand of justice.

does pakistan really deserve that?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: karandel_2008

I don't get it. Is this topic somehow defending Taliban?

I think if we look at the big picture then it doesn't matter if we are convinced about the authenticity of this video or not. There can be many technical issues and it is very difficult to prove things for example in the case of this video. For instance, a bad video recording device can cause synchronization problems between video and voice. Thus, if there is some voice offset then it may not mean that the voice is dubbed, but simply that the recording device was not of high quality.

If Taliban thinks that the video is false then why doesn't it make public statements condemning the acts shown in video?(edit: I see that TNSM has condemned the video)

The big picture is that Taliban is bad for Pakistan as is clear from their agenda of banning girl education, recent attacks in Pakistan et cetera. This video just added more negativity to their image which is already very bad. It doesn't matter much if we argue on the authenticity of this video. It is clear that agenda of Taliban is not to advance, but to degrade things back to medieval ages.

is there any restriction in islamic law that a girl cannot be educated????

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