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Posted: 16 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: simran777



We all have our short-comings and as by human nature we're bound to carry imperfections of some form, for if we were perfect, we'd just be God. However the key is to better ourselves...that's one thing I see in Terence, he carries a high and mature spiritual side and I respect that. As choreographers though,I appreciate them all---individually they're All talented and that remains a fact. All the dancers of the show as wellcarry a true passion for dance, so i whole-heartedly salute that..

Cheerz😊



Hmm,,... well if Terence is such a high and mature as compare to geeta and remo, then why does Noni being Overweight comes in every comment he makes. we all know that she is over weight, we are not blind.. That is exactly why NONI cried in second or third episode. Yet in last episode of hers with Siddesh it was mentioned by Terence, "you must watch your weight" i mean come on dear, you are good choreographer you and your contestants are slim and fit, but that doesn't give you right to call anyone Fat or overweight. so no one is better or mature then the other, they all are same...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: phadukaran



Hmm,,... well if Terence is such a high and mature as compare to geeta and remo, then why does Noni being Overweight comes in every comment he makes. we all know that she is over weight, we are not blind.. That is exactly why NONI cried in second or third episode. Yet in last episode of hers with Siddesh it was mentioned by Terence, "you must watch your weight" i mean come on dear, you are good choreographer you and your contestants are slim and fit, but that doesn't give you right to call anyone Fat or overweight. so no one is better or mature then the other, they all are same...

Well, you're mistaking "Constructive Criticism" there for Mockery/ Put down. Terence highlighted something she should work on as it would enhance this Art of Noni's. We all have eyes and see Noni--doesn't mean we look down upon her. When you cherish someone you care to better them, hence Terence's words came across only out of care and in no shape or form as a let down. His tone, body language, nor words (which were said sweetly) were in no way demeaning rather they were to encourage and goad her. How can you say Terence's always had slim n fit students--not you nor I know that. Perhaps all ones from his Toli now are, but who know's if he's battled in helping some in the past. Likewise, judging his display of concern, I can 200% say that he's one who very likely helped out and improved some people in his life for sure! And that my dear is the sign of a GOOD MENTOR & PERSON.
I'll enlighten you with the following Buddhist quote: "In criticizing, the teacher is hoping to teach. That's all."~Surangama Sutra
In fact, I could never imagine any of the 3 choregraphers in such a low-mind state as mocking Noni's weight. If I had even gotten the slightly hint of mockery from anyone there, I wouldn't respect it. On the contrary, I notice them all sympathyzing with her and furthermore appreciating her dancing ability along with that weight which ordinarily is quite difficult to juggle. What is remains a fact--i'm sure lowering Noni's BMI (Body Mass Index) as it's said in medical terms, would only enhance her on more platforms than just dance---for it'll take a physical, emotional, and mental toll on her (in a positive manner that is). As teachers in our culture are given a pedastal next to God and Parents for us...they guide and advise to only better us.
As far as her crying after it being mentioned many times only shows again at how it's really affecting her and thus, the matter should be handled before she indulges further into what could lead to even depression etc...Often obese patients have a cover up of a happy go lucky side which the world sees, and yet they could be deteriorating within. To turn a blind eye to what could serve being very harmful for Noni is absolutely absurd, especially for the teachers who're taking her in to guide her, or her family. I downright totally agree with the mentors not ignoring the issue. As for Noni crying about it...not you nor I know about how she's treated otherwise. I'm sure not all the world's as nice nor constructive about it. So, i'll bet my stakes with you that she's emotionally gone thru a rollercoaster ride dealing with this on numerous occassions in her life. If not, then these few times her weight coming up would not affect her so intensly. It's definately a build-up over the years...
There is one thing i'll add though hun...that I do feel it could be quite related to a hereditary issue of gaining weight or something like hypothyroidism--which's in many people often giving them immense weight gain. I dont see Noni as just a lazy person who sat around, ate, and gained weight. I feel she is trying despite certain factors/ challenges against her. However, she is very well aware of her state and to explain it to you---it's sort of like the handicapped/mentally disabled people..."we" the general public will treat them in sugar-coating ways which most of them actually Despise because they're not as dumb as we make them out to be in our interactions with them. They carry far more capability than we estimate at times...and the ones close and caring of them should carry out their duty to uplift and better them than turning a blind eye and staying mum...
When I speak, i am not speaking on a baseless ground my dear. Do feel free to write if you wish to further debate and discuss this.
wishes😊
Edited by simran777 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tamedtempest

Beautifuly said!!!!👏👏

why thank you hun!:-)...glad u agree, only spoke what i've seen..
wishes😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: luvterence

i observed her. some day she on terence side and other day on remo's side. she has no based acutally. just before 3-4 weeks it looks as if she was so amazed by terence. always praised him and his kids. earlier same thing with remo. now again in last week's episode, it looks that again she had teamed up with remo. always pointed out negetives things abt terence and his kid's performance.

even she mimick of terence when shubo completed his performance and terence was praising him, she suddenly said in kid's voice that vote for terence's kids and all that. then terence keep silent.... very bad on gita's part.
i don't like gita for her childish and selfish behaviour....
dont' like remo for his dirty tricks....
so much liking and love for terence for his honest nature..........

Right, i fully agree with you . Even i observed. Both of them are actually jealous of Terrence because his children are more and theirs getting out and besides Terrence himself has so much fan followings
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Posted: 16 years ago
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ok... Simran, NONI being Fat and all has to be told in Public, can't be told after the show, ok, And not only once, every episode it has to be mentioned, ok, that is also ok, because Terrance didn't say in that manner, achaaaa. hmmm.. Well, i had a different perspective of that comment that he made. Does it mean that I am trying to say that all the students that he had till date are slim and fit, HMMM... i don't remember mentioning that. Terrance was always my favorite for two simple reasons, one for brining something different on the dance floor, and second for pointing out mistakes of his own dancers. Apart from that, he turned into remo and started protecting Mayuresh, I don't mind, if one monkey does it, why not all three. And to a point i actually agree with you, but still, it does hurt, when someone keeps pointing out you are fat, you are fat, I am a choreographer and, at one point i did have two siblings who were really overweight and someone told them to join bollywood dance classes to help them with weight. I felt bad and they knew that i was aware of the situation, but I couldn't even say you are fat, or you are overweight, but they danced so well just like NONI, but they had thyroid and they couldn't control themselves. that was the story like 4 years back. Today, they have not totally slimed, but they did trim down alot more then I expected. I was so happy for them. but on the other hand, they can't control that, so their body will go back to get over weight again. So I could connect with NONI in that matter, and that is exactly why i said, what I said !
Edited by phadukaran - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Don't forget that this is a dance competition!! Noni being fat could not move the body like others and had less grace than others. It is nobodies fault , I think she should have been out long time ago. Mandakini is a much better dancer than her.
You can not keep someone in the show out of pity. This is a dance competion not a weight competition?
The bottom line is Geeta should not make fun of the participants on the TV, she can do what ever she wants to in her class.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: phadukaran

ok... Simran, NONI being Fat and all has to be told in Public, can't be told after the show, ok, And not only once, every episode it has to be mentioned, ok, that is also ok, because Terrance didn't say in that manner, achaaaa. hmmm.. Well, i had a different perspective of that comment that he made. Does it mean that I am trying to say that all the students that he had till date are slim and fit, HMMM... i don't remember mentioning that. Terrance was always my favorite for two simple reasons, one for brining something different on the dance floor, and second for pointing out mistakes of his own dancers. Apart from that, he turned into remo and started protecting Mayuresh, I don't mind, if one monkey does it, why not all three. And to a point i actually agree with you, but still, it does hurt, when someone keeps pointing out you are fat, you are fat, I am a choreographer and, at one point i did have two siblings who were really overweight and someone told them to join bollywood dance classes to help them with weight. I felt bad and they knew that i was aware of the situation, but I couldn't even say you are fat, or you are overweight, but they danced so well just like NONI, but they had thyroid and they couldn't control themselves. that was the story like 4 years back. Today, they have not totally slimed, but they did trim down alot more then I expected. I was so happy for them. but on the other hand, they can't control that, so their body will go back to get over weight again. So I could connect with NONI in that matter, and that is exactly why i said, what I said !

Like I said, when I speak I don't speak on baseless grounds dear! And Similarly, i'd say your opinion is not baseless either as for you've spoken of a personal affiliation with this matter. Our views perhaps are different in how we absorb the situation. Both you as a parent and me as a doctor can both be wrong or right depending on many factors. Often our love does blind us as parents and often our egos blind us as doctors for we can fail to see what's actually good for the other person over our love or egos...example, in terms of attempting to bring awareness and encouragement to individuals to better themselves, a parent may fail to do so by being too sensitive and a doctor may fail to do so by being too insensitive. I can absolutely understand and respect anyones feeling of wanting to protect your kids regardless of any such hardship they may be dealing with. As you said you were even afraid to say anything to your kids about this to face (not wanting to hurt their feelings), so the numerous times Noni's issue was brought up in public would definately bother you, i can see that. And to a degree I do totally understand hun where you feel it didn't need to be said so many times in public....however, did you think that Terence does infact love them all, but he only honestly and sincerely spoke out of love and encouragement. Like i'd said, Someone must do the duty to help lift these individuals to better themselves---this "Someone" has to be family, mentor, someone of care and concern to guide because the world will not be so sweet in doing it. They will deal with it one way or another--so isn't it better for the loved ones to try for this improvement? The choreographers have eliminated many from the start when they felt the talent lacks. Clearly with Noni, the girl can dance...when comparing her with others, yes some are better some worse then her. But she's got talent which's a fact...just imagine how mind-blowing she could be by becoming more fit---oh the potential!! and that's exactly what the Choreographers see with her and are moved or touched by...
~Perhaps because in his view, approaching Noni after show Just to say this to her could be very insulting to her...
~Perhaps because her rehersals go on with another choreographer so she's not with them to be told this...
~Perhaps because he and others felt to not outcast her alone and instead say it along in with their evaluations of everyones dances being critiqued and this way since others were being told certain things Noni would not be outcasted in this manner
~Perhaps it was also told in public because she comes off as a rather "Confident and Happy" individual who'll be able to handle this positively when told nicely...and see again that anyone speaking about her weight were careful of saying it nicely, but because you've personal experienced someone very close to you with this, you carried a defensive view----which's only natural again. See you as parent w/ personal experience and me as a doctor know that there can be medical issues involved or the happy go lucky side also can often just be a cover for such individuals and infact inside they could be really insecure, unhappy, stressed, depressed etc... It's like the saying goes, "Don't judge a book by it's cover" but often people do that...and we're all human and we do make mistakes, you do and i do...but it doesn't mean we always consciously meant to do harm or be mean. Similarly, Terence or others commenting were sympathyzing and encouraging her seeing that she's bubbly and she'll take it well and improve...notice that since they saw the sensitive side to her, they haven't brought it up again. I hope I've made some sense to you...
and I do apologize if anything I've stated mean or wrong..
wishes😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: phadukaran

at least, she doest scratch her stomach while commenting, at least she knows the art of Dancing and performace, unless like some maha guru who doesn't know anything accept salute and "accha performance tha, even though there were 100 mistakes,"

Atleast she doesn't play dirty politics like Other mentors, yeah, i did say other Mentors, Even Terrance have started playing safe, week before last, where Mayuresh didn't perform well and there was no way he would have survived against Siddesh or any of Remo's boys, still he sent Jay for face off, Cuz he knew, that mayuresh is still weak, while jay is good. and for girls he knew that noni couldn't stand a chance against, Khusboo, or Vishali.
plus you are Terrance fan, so lets just keep that to that.

well dear you gotta watch that episode againt then, in that particular week jai had peformed badly, even worse than Mayuresh. Mayuresh performed the masala salsa well and you can get it from the judges comments. wehreas Jai was not in his form and didn't dance well thats what was told by the judges thats why jai was nominated and not Mayureshj. Terrence is the most unbiased judge sitting on that panel. And he has never critizied Noni for her weight, in the dance forms he had jsut told her that her landings and her foot work come heavy and thats not her fault it may be becuase of her weight. Terrence said it very gracefully. And yeah you don't seem to be a terrence fan, so lets just keep that to that. 😊.

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