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Originally posted by: akhl

Yes, definitely. Ramji had to win the war at any cost because it was an important part of the purpose of the incarnation.

Originally posted by: chatterbox

in fact i also was goin to ask this but chandra has framed it nice

my question wud this also

why is kumbhakarn and indrajeet known as bad guys where as they didnt do anything really bad but they were loyal to their king and father and brother and laid down thier life for their country whereas vibishan though on being path of dharam is still known as ghar ka bhedi lanka dhahye and has a bad name

if vibishan didnt help ram do u think ramji wud hv won the war

and why is the killing so brutal of kumbhakarn and indrajeet

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

13. Disruption of Indrajit's yagna

Granted, it was needed to prevent Indrajit from becoming unconquerable. However, do you think it sets a precedent that anybody can chose to disrupt yagnas of enemies on the grounds that they'd then become more powerful and unconquerable? Granted, here, most people support Rama, but were someone later in history to disrupt an enemy's yagna citing this as a precedent, what would be the argument against it?Indrajit's yagna wasn't destroyed on the grounds that he would become more powerful and unconquerable only. It was also disrupted because he was doing it to support Adharma. If he had completed his yagna, Adharma would triumph over Dharma, and that could not happen.

Also, it was Karma. Indrajit himself disrupted the holy yagnas of many rishis meditating on Lord Vishnu. It was God's Karma that his yagna be disrupted when he needed it the most.

14. Should Rama have killed Ravan in their first encounter, and spared 'innocent' Rakshashas such as Kumbhakarna, Indrajit, et al?They weren't "innocent" though were they? If they really were innocent. Shri Ram would have created a leela where Indrajit and Kumbhakarna also joined him along with Vibhishana, because the Lord does not kill innocent people. Plus, Kumbhakarna was an incarnation of Vijaya, one of the Dwara Palakas of Lord Vishnu. If Shri Ram did not kill him, how would poor Vijaya start his third incarnation as Dantavakra (or Sishupala as some people say--I'm not sure who exactly Vijaya was).

lalitha ur ans to indrajeet and kumbhkarn is interesting yes mayb indrajeet did as u told but i havnt read or heard about it

I started this thread as a request for a suggestion for a good topic. It is so nice to see that this thread itself has become a topic of debate.😛

Originally posted by: akhl

I started this thread as a request for a suggestion for a good topic. It is so nice to see that this thread itself has become a topic of debate.😛

Lots of interesting ideas have been suggested. But, my concern is on what basis do we judge the winning team? I was thinking that we will select some scriptures as authorities. Then we will choose a topic on which two teams will have opposing views. Both teams will defend their views based on those scriptures. But, of course, only those who have studied these scriptures will be able to debate. And that may not be good because that will reduce the participation. So let me know what you all think.

Hey, suddenly got an idea. Shall we do an essay competition? Something like "Write an essay in 400 to 500 words on ........" 😉😆🤣

nice idea avinash like we used to do in schools😆. My suggestion as we had already discussed many of the events of Ramayana so why not to discuss something from other epic mahabharata. I know there is other section of mahabharata but that one is on halt and many people of this forum don't visit mahabharata forum though interested in epic only because KHMK serial is not an epic but shas-bahu soap🤣

Originally posted by: chatterbox

lalitha ur ans to indrajeet and kumbhkarn is interesting yes mayb indrajeet did as u told but i havnt read or heard about it

in a way ur context is right that if a person related to u does wrong do u go with him or do otherwise

its really viewpoint here differs

mayb the makers here show indrajeet and kk good guys and yes kk was vijay incarnation and he had to get free from curse that way is differnt

but then if we see from our viewpoint then god's leela doesnt come in force isnt it

and yes vijay arora and praful as indrajeet botth did fantastic job but this indrajeet our prafula did something differnt which made us all sit up look and like him

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

nice idea avinash like we used to do in schools😆. My suggestion as we had already discussed many of the events of Ramayana so why not to discuss something from other epic mahabharata. I know there is other section of mahabharata but that one is on halt and many people of this forum don't visit mahabharata forum though interested in epic only because KHMK serial is not an epic but shas-bahu soap🤣

Originally posted by: godisone

That would be very interesting. Yeah, barely anyone's on the KHMK Forum these days except Charu and me, so no one has really discussed anything for two weeks at least. It would be very interesting to discuss Mahabharat in a forum that's active and has many scholars.😊

yeh i wud be nice cous thr is so much to discuss about mahabharata😊

I'm against discussing the Mahabharat here, because that actually encapsulates, or should encapsulate, Mahabharat & Krishna puranas, and is a humongous subject in its own right. Since unlike the Ramayan, there is only 1 Mahabharat, it's not as contradictory, although there are occasional mismatches between Mahabharat and Krishna puranas. Also, it covers 5-6 generations, and is therefore deserves its own spot, even if that spot isn't HKMK.

Like Akhl, I too thought we were just selecting, rather than discussing threads here. Essay competition sounds boring - imo, just lacks the sponteneity somewhat that makes for interesting reading. Maybe have the same sort of discussions as DOTW, but with the rules that only scriptures be cited, and also, a limit to which the topic is allowed to drift into something different?

Or other suggestion - how about taking each kand chronologically, and analyzing anything either controversial, or disputed? Like in Balkand, was Kaikeyi a good person - things of that sort.