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Posted: 17 years ago
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I voted for Arjuna, although I think both Yudhisthira and he were noble, but since Yudhisthira already got a lot of votes, I voted for Arjuna.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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obviously yudhistir. he is most noble than others.Yudhisthira's true prowess was shown in his unflinching adherence to satya (truth) and dharma (righteousness), which were more precious to him than any royal ambitions, material pursuits and family relations.

Yudhisthira's dharma was markedly distinct from that of other righteous kings. He married Draupadi along with his four brothers, he had Bhima marry an outcast Rakshasi, he termed "prayer" as "poison", he saw an uneventful life with no credit and a belly full of food at the end of the day as happiness, he denounced casteism, saying a Brahmin is known by his actions and not his birth or education--thus portraying the real changeable dharma, the dharma that modifies itself to suit the times.


Due to his piety, Yudhisthira's feet and his chariot do not touch the ground, to symbolize his purity.

Yudhisthira performed the Rajasuya sacrifice to become the Emperor of the World. His motives were not to obtain power for himself, but to establish dharma and defend religion all over the world by suppressing the enemies of Krishna and sinful, aggressive kings.

Yudhisthira was criticized by Draupadi and Bhima for succumbing to temptation and playing dice, an art he was absolutely unskilled at, making the Pandavas prey to Shakuni and Duryodhana's evil designs. Yudhisthira reproached himself for weakness of mind, but at the time he argued that it was impossible to refuse a challenge of any nature, as he was a kshatriya and obliged to stand by the kshatriya code of honour.

During the thirteen years, he was repeatedly tested for staunch adherence to religious values in face of adversity.

many many reasons and stories😃


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: at57

I think Yudhisthira was the most deplorable character in Mahabharata. Few reasons as follows..

He was a weakling and inferior warrior to Arjuna and Bhima. He was lucky to have obedient brothers. He was enamoured by Draupadi and wanted to marry even though lacked necessary skills to win her hand. That story of following mother's orders was a total washout devised to hide real hideous intentions of jealousy and lust. Draupadi became a powerful glue for all brothers to bond them together. Yudhishthira reasoned to Arjuna that it was necessary for Draupadi to get married to him as well as elder brother should marry before younger one.. But he allowed marrage of Bhima to Hidimba, unattractive demon without any problem.

He was physically weak than Bheem and Arjun..Each pandava had his own quality..Yudhistir was dharmraaj..he was equal to Vidur in the knowlegde of dharma...

He put first claim on Draupadi after marriage and had to stay with him for a year before she could spend time with other brothers.
I don't know whether he said this or no but since he was the eldest, Draupadi had to stay with him first...

No need to discuss his addiction to gambling. It was even evident at Virata's place. When Keechak tried to molest Draupadi, he scolded Draupadi for making a "scene" All other Pandavas were very upset and came to console her but Yudhishthir.
Obviously if Yudhistir had revealed their identities before the completion of 13 years then they would have to go for 13 years vanvaas again..that's why he stopped himself....also, he could never try killing keechak bec. he knew he could not..infact even Arjun was incapable of killing Keechak..Only Bheem could have killed him....because of this, Duryodhan could guess that pandavas might have taken shelter in Virat...

After suffering ignominous defeat at hands of Karna, when Arjuan rushed back to check after him, he started abusing him and Gandiva. Arjuna was enraged and really showed Yudhishthira his place (as per suggestion by Lord .. another story i dont want to get into)

He was the least favourite of Draupadi. He never showed tender emotions towards her and never took great care of her. In this Bhima was the best by miles.
may be this is true..i have no idea..

He never wanted revenge for wrondoing to Draupadi and kept looking for a truce.. Draupadi instgated him to challenge Duryodhana all by hiself and kill him but he kept quiet.
this is not true ...He was a king and as a king, his duty was to protect his people , their property , their life...he couldn't have taken a decision to attack kauravas after the dice game because 1) he was bound by the condition of the dice game and honoured it..moreover, that was Dhritrashtra's order...For him, Dhritrashtra was in place of his father...If he had acted like a normal human being, then there was no difference between Duryodhan and him...Till the end, Lord Krishna himself tried to stop the war because Draupadi's revenge was personal....Mind it that Mahabharat war occured because Kauravas refused to honour the condition of vanvaas to give Indraprasta back to pandavas and NOT because they wanted to take revenge for Draupadi....

He was not very intelligent. He offered Duryodhana to choose any of Pandavas for mace fight. It was presence of mind of Bhima and arrogance of Duryodhana that saved Duryodhana from picking hm for fight.
He knew dharma and adharma more than anybody of his age so i don't know the mean by which you measured his intelligence 😕 Duryodhan said it in the end that he didn't want Hastinapur because he had lost all his loved ones...He also knew it that because of the boon given to him by Gandhari, he could defeat bheem which was his lifelong ambition and dream ..in a mace fight, it was against the rules to hit below the waist so he was sure of winning..that's why Duryodhan chose Bheem ...otherwise he could have chosen Nakul/Sehdev also who were very weak compared to him...but yes it was wrong on Yudhistir's part to said that he will give hastinapur and indraprasta to him if Duryodhan won..that's like putting your country and dharma on stake..but my friend, it was destiny..

If we are analyzing a character we must look at the complete picture..and not 1-2 incidences . a human being is driven by many emotions at a time..we make lots of mistakes in our life but it's important to learn a lesson from them and forget them and move ahead..


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Posted: 17 years ago
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I agree yudhistir was not that clever (i m not commenting abt knowledge) like his other brothers. Here is something abt Yudhistir which I posted long back here

"Naaham karmaphalaanveshi rajputri chaarmyuta I
dadaami deyamityeva yaje yashtavyamityuta II
dharma eva manah krishne swabhaavaachchaiva me dhritam I
dharmavaanijyako heeno jaghanyo dharmavaadinaam II
"

This verse was uttered by Yudhistira. When Pandavs were exiled they spent some time in Himalayas. There once Yudihistir n Draupadi were having as chat abt Karma n Dharma etc

Draupadi asked, " ..........................Beholding superior and well-behaved and modest persons persecuted(here she meant pandavs), while the sinful are happy, I am sorely troubled. Beholding this your distress and the prosperity of Suyodhana, I do not speak highly of the Great Ordainer who suffereth such inequality! O sir, what fruits does the Great Ordainer reap by granting prosperity to Dhritarashtra's son who transgresses the ordinances, who is crooked and covetous, and who injures virtue and religion!..................................................."

He replied " Your speech, O Yajnaseni (draupadi), is delightful, smooth and full of excellent phrases. We have listened to it (carefully). You are speaking, however, the language of atheism. O princess, I never act, solicitous of the fruits of my actions. I give away, because it is my duty to give; I sacrifice because it is my duty to sacrifice! O Krishna ( draupadi), I accomplish to the best of my power whatever a person living in domesticity should do, regardless of the fact whether those acts have fruits or not. O you of fair hips, I act virtuously, not from the desire of reaping the fruits of virtue, but of not transgressing the ordinances of the Veda, and beholding also the conduct of the good and wise! My heart, O Krishna, is naturally attracted towards virtue. The man who wishes to reap the fruits of virtue is a trader in virtue. His nature is mean and he should never be counted amongst the virtuous. Nor does he ever obtain the fruits of his virtues! Nor does he of sinful heart, who having accomplished a virtuous act doubts in his mind, obtain the fruits of his act, in consequence of that scepticism of his!"

He says that one shud not do trade in love, devotion n obsevance of Dhrama. One shud do it without desireing anything in return. Geeta also says desireless devotion n observance of dharma (duty n righteousness) is best.


But yet I like Arjun most, after him Bhim n Sahdev
Edited by coolpurvi - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: at57

I think Yudhisthira was the most deplorable character in Mahabharata


Remember this therd is not asking who is your fav pandavas but its asking who is most noble. All the pandavas is unique in his own way. one cannot say arjun or bhim is more noble than Yudhishtira only because they posses more power than Yudhishtira. One having more power cannot be said to be more noble.Yudhishtira lived for justice, and patiently suffered humiliation and exile.'A man should live virtuously because virtue is good, not because it pays to be virtuous' - so he believed and acted.ones when entering heaven with dog the devta when stopped the dog he said to the to devta, 'I cannot enter a Heaven in which there is no place for a faithful dog. doesn't it speaks about his nobleness.
The world is a battlefield; and the mind of a man is also a battlefield. On both these take place the endless struggle between good forces and evil forces. Dharma is another name for all that is good in this world; the world rests on Dharma. Yama, the God of Death, is the embodiment of Dharma; he is not at all a cruel god. Pandu desired that his eldest son should be Dharma itself in human form. So he asked Kunthi to bear such a son for him by the grace of Yamadharma. -Accordingly she gave birth to the eldest son for Pandu as a divine gift from Yamadharma. So the child was called Dharmaputhra or the son of Yamadharma. His mind was always on the side of the good, or Dharma. Thus he came to be known as 'Yudhishtira' or I one who is unshaken in war'. Throughout his life he was a living example of this great virtue. He always upheld Dharma and Truth, and became famous as Dharmaraja. He showed to the world that Dharma always wins.
And he was not addicted to dice. He was following his kshatriya dharm of accepting the challenge of every kind. Remember he was challenged by duryodhana to play dice. the other reason being he was so noble that he cannot deny the proposal of his younger brother(duryodhana)
And about his cleverness the story of yaksha i think everyone of us knows. the story when non of his brother survived and
Yudhishtira due to his nobleness and knowledge revived all from death. this is the best example that he was the most noble.
Note- if the thread wud have asked fav charracter my ans wud also have been ARJUN

Edited by rajnish_here - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi

I agree yudhistir was not that clever (i m not commenting abt knowledge) like his other brothers. Here is something abt Yudhistir which I posted long back here

"Naaham karmaphalaanveshi rajputri chaarmyuta I
dadaami deyamityeva yaje yashtavyamityuta II
dharma eva manah krishne swabhaavaachchaiva me dhritam I
dharmavaanijyako heeno jaghanyo dharmavaadinaam II
"

This verse was uttered by Yudhistira. When Pandavs were exiled they spent some time in Himalayas. There once Yudihistir n Draupadi were having as chat abt Karma n Dharma etc

Draupadi asked, " ..........................Beholding superior and well-behaved and modest persons persecuted(here she meant pandavs), while the sinful are happy, I am sorely troubled. Beholding this your distress and the prosperity of Suyodhana, I do not speak highly of the Great Ordainer who suffereth such inequality! O sir, what fruits does the Great Ordainer reap by granting prosperity to Dhritarashtra's son who transgresses the ordinances, who is crooked and covetous, and who injures virtue and religion!..................................................."

He replied " Your speech, O Yajnaseni (draupadi), is delightful, smooth and full of excellent phrases. We have listened to it (carefully). You are speaking, however, the language of atheism. O princess, I never act, solicitous of the fruits of my actions. I give away, because it is my duty to give; I sacrifice because it is my duty to sacrifice! O Krishna ( draupadi), I accomplish to the best of my power whatever a person living in domesticity should do, regardless of the fact whether those acts have fruits or not. O you of fair hips, I act virtuously, not from the desire of reaping the fruits of virtue, but of not transgressing the ordinances of the Veda, and beholding also the conduct of the good and wise! My heart, O Krishna, is naturally attracted towards virtue. The man who wishes to reap the fruits of virtue is a trader in virtue. His nature is mean and he should never be counted amongst the virtuous. Nor does he ever obtain the fruits of his virtues! Nor does he of sinful heart, who having accomplished a virtuous act doubts in his mind, obtain the fruits of his act, in consequence of that scepticism of his!"

He says that one shud not do trade in love, devotion n observance of Dhrama. One shud do it without desireing anything in return. Geeta also says desireless devotion n observance of dharma (duty n righteousness) is best.


But yet I like Arjun most, after him Bhim n Sahdev


This is nice.👍🏼 but how can you say he is not noble through this passage. doesn't it proves his nobleness. does it not proves he acted in accordance to righteousness pls explain😕
Edited by rajnish_here - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: rajnish_here


This is nice.👍🏼 but how can you say he is not noble through this passage. doesn't it proves his nobleness. does it not proves he acted in accordance to righteousness pls explain😕


oh bro u misunderstood me. through this article I m trying to say that he was selfless n noble. the entire article is abt Yudhistir's greatness n his noble thinking
Edited by coolpurvi - 16 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi


oh bro u misunderstood me. through this article I trying to say that he was selfless n noble. the entire article is abt Yudhistir's greatness n his noble thinking


ops sorry di 😳. actually i first read ur first line then the last one and interpreted you are going to say something against. but when i read this wonderful discussion i found this one is speaking actually about his greatness and virtue 😃 so asked for clarification😃.
but never mind this one is great quote from mahabharat⭐️😛

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