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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

You may already know this, but I just found this out. Kaikeyi Ma in Ramayana was re-incarnated as Mata Devaki, and Mata Kaushalya was re-incarnated as Mata Yashoda.

Although Shri Ram was never angry with Kaikeyi Ma for exiling him, Kaikeyi Ma still separated mother and son (Kaushalya and Ram), so that Karma was still there for her. So in Shri Krishna Avatar, Mata Kaikeyi was reborn as Devaki Devi, and she had to be separated from her son Shri Krishna for 14 years, while Yashoda Devi, who was Mata Kaushalya, raised Shri Krishna as her son (to make up for the 14 years she lost in the Shri Ram avatar).

Is this a true? I think it makes sense, but what do you all have to say about this?

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Bani

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Posted: 16 years ago

You are right!!!!

I even heard in a "Kirtan" recital from the Gouriya Math that when Prabhu Ram was leaving for his 14-year exile, Mata Kaushalya was offering Him some milk to drink, but Mata Kaikaye did not allow HIM/ give Him time to drink that milk. But when Mata Kaikayee had repented and wanted to get Prabhu from her own womb, she was granted that wish. BUT, as people have to suffer their "Karma" and even Vidhaata cannot changethat, and since she did deprive Prabhu from that milk, He did not accept any breast milk from Mata Kaikayee, but went to Mata Yashoda/ Mata Kaushalya and grew up in her lap.

Also, there are some stories that Mata Yashoda and Nandbaba did Tapasya to get Lord as their son. But since Lord has already decided that who will be HIS mothers in the four Yugas, =it was Mata Aditi in SATYA YUG, Mata Kaushalya in Treta Yug, Mata Devki in Dwapar Yug and Sachi mata for Kalki Avatar in Kaliyug.

But Bhagwan being "Bhaktabatsal", did offer the blessing and gave Ma Yashoda the honour of bringing Him up as a mother.

But as I have said before, I have only heard these in Kirtan recitals.

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juhi jain

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Posted: 16 years ago

Thanx..........nice to know all this😛

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Vrish

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Posted: 16 years ago

I've been reading this here, but I wonder what exactly is the source for this - Devaki being Kaikeyi, Yashodha being Kaushalya (and while we are at it, was Rohini Sumitra?) and Jara being Vali?

From a Karmaic standpoint, it would then seem poetic justice. Normally, I always sympathized with Devaki for having to watch her first 6 babies' heads being bashed in. But if she was Kaikeyi, that punishment was richly deserved IMO.

Also, another myth about Dasharath's wives in Tulsidas was about Kaushalya being Dasharath's favorite as a result of being Rama's mother. This is completely contradicted in Valmiki. Not only did Dasharath promise Akshavati that Kaikeyi's son would be the future ruler of Ayodhya; because of Kaikeyi's role in saving Dasharath when he was at war with the Rakshashas (was this Ravan's army, by any chance?), she became his favorite. However, she did love Rama more than Bharat, but she dis-respected both Kaushalya and Sumitra, and Dasharath ill-treated both Kaushalya and Sumitra (indeed, in Valmiki Ramayan Sarg 20, she complains that Dasharath treated her worse than Kaikeyi's maids, presumably Manthara). That was the root cause of Lakshman's initial fury at news of Rama's exile - he thought that Dasharath and Bharat were in on the plot of Manthara and Kaikeyi.

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rupali pandey

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Posted: 16 years ago

Thanks all for various infos...

What I read is Lord Vishnu promised Manu n SHatrupa that he will take birth from only u as parents...

and Kaikeyi wanted to serve lord as Mother but it wasnt possible to give birth due to Vishnujis promise to shatrupa so she took birth as Yashoda Mata and served lord as Mother ...

Theres some curse to parents coz of which Krishna ji got separated just after birth , i dont remember it exactly who n why so i ll surely write it later....

my question is WHo is Nandbaba then?

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu
I've been reading this here, but I wonder what exactly is the source for this - Devaki being Kaikeyi, Yashodha being Kaushalya (and while we are at it, was Rohini Sumitra?) and Jara being Vali?

From a Karmaic standpoint, it would then seem poetic justice. Normally, I always sympathized with Devaki for having to watch her first 6 babies' heads being bashed in. But if she was Kaikeyi, that punishment was richly deserved IMO.

Also, another myth about Dasharath's wives in Tulsidas was about Kaushalya being Dasharath's favorite as a result of being Rama's mother. This is completely contradicted in Valmiki. Not only did Dasharath promise Akshavati that Kaikeyi's son would be the future ruler of Ayodhya; because of Kaikeyi's role in saving Dasharath when he was at war with the Rakshashas (was this Ravan's army, by any chance?), she became his favorite. However, she did love Rama more than Bharat, but she dis-respected both Kaushalya and Sumitra, and Dasharath ill-treated both Kaushalya and Sumitra (indeed, in Valmiki Ramayan Sarg 20, she complains that Dasharath treated her worse than Kaikeyi's maids, presumably Manthara). That was the root cause of Lakshman's initial fury at news of Rama's exile - he thought that Dasharath and Bharat were in on the plot of Manthara and Kaikeyi.

I don't have a specific source for this, because this is a story my parents told me, but I think this story can be found in the Potana Bhagavatham.

And Sumithra being Rohini Devi makes sense too. I never thought about that. And since Balram is Rohini's son, and Lakshman is Sumithra's it makes sense.

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: rupalip
Thanks all for various infos...
What I read is Lord Vishnu promised Manu n SHatrupa that he will take birth from only u as parents...

and Kaikeyi wanted to serve lord as Mother but it wasnt possible to give birth due to Vishnujis promise to shatrupa so she took birth as Yashoda Mata and served lord as Mother ...

Theres some curse to parents coz of which Krishna ji got separated just after birth , i dont remember it exactly who n why so i ll surely write it later....

my question is WHo is Nandbaba then?

Hmm...I don't know who Nand Baba is, but it's an interesting question to reflect on.

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone
You may already know this, but I just found this out. Kaikeyi Ma in Ramayana was re-incarnated as Mata Devaki, and Mata Kaushalya was re-incarnated as Mata Yashoda.

Although Shri Ram was never angry with Kaikeyi Ma for exiling him, Kaikeyi Ma still separated mother and son (Kaushalya and Ram), so that Karma was still there for her. So in Shri Krishna Avatar, Mata Kaikeyi was reborn as Devaki Devi, and she had to be separated from her son Shri Krishna for 14 years, while Yashoda Devi, who was Mata Kaushalya, raised Shri Krishna as her son (to make up for the 14 years she lost in the Shri Ram avatar).

Is this a true? I think it makes sense, but what do you all have to say about this?

devaki was not kekai in her previous birth neither yashoda was kawsalya. devaki was partial incarnation of dev mata aditi. and kawsalya was incarnation of aditi itself. In devi bhagwatam and rig ved its clearly given devaki was incarnation of mata aditi. where u read it? i think this crap story was shown in KHMK😕

Originally posted by: Rupalip

Thanks all for various infos...
What I read is Lord Vishnu promised Manu n SHatrupa that he will take birth from only u as parents...

and Kaikeyi wanted to serve lord as Mother but it wasnt possible to give birth due to Vishnujis promise to shatrupa so she took birth as Yashoda Mata and served lord as Mother ...

Theres some curse to parents coz of which Krishna ji got separated just after birth , i dont remember it exactly who n why so i ll surely write it later....

my question is WHo is Nandbaba then?

she was not Shatrupa but aditi. when vishnuji visited dev lok to greed aditi she asked her boon that she should get child like him. Vishnu ji told her as there is no one like him he himself will born as his child. so in bamana avatar, ram avatar and krishn avatar he fulfilled his promise. Purvi di told me yashoda and nandbaba together did tapashya in there previous birth to get lord and thus get him as his child.😊

Edited by rajnish_here - 16 years ago

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

devaki was not kekai in her previous birth neither yashoda was kawsalya. devaki was partial incarnation of dev mata aditi. and kawsalya was incarnation of aditi itself. In devi bhagwatam and rig ved its clearly given devaki was incarnation of mata aditi. where u read it? i think this crap story was shown in KHMK😕

she was not Shatrupa but aditi. when vishnuji visited dev lok to greed aditi she asked her boon that she should get child like him. Vishnu ji told her as there is no one like him he himself will born as his child. so in bamana avatar, ram avatar and krishn avatar he fulfilled his promise. Purvi di told me yashoda and nandbaba together did tapashya in there previous birth to get lord and thus get him as his child.😊

I heard that Kaushalya, Sumithra, and Kaikeyi were all incarnations of Aditi Devi, so that would tie in to your story too, wouldn't it? And I heard about Kaikeyi being Devaki from the Bhagavatham.

There are so many boons and so many stories relating to Gods and Goddesses that sometimes they overlap so that too many incarnations do not have to be born.

My story about Kaikeyi being Devaki could also relate to your story about Devaki and Yashoda being incarnations of Aditi Ma, because Kaushalya and Kaikeyi were also Aditi Devi's incarnations.

I most definitely did not get this story from KHMK! I haven't watched that show for months, and I know better than to believe anything that's shown in there. I heard of this story in Potana Bhagavatham, so there has to be some proof in it. And it doesn't seem as far fetched to me as it does to you, because to me it makes sense. Kaikeyi had to suffer for separating Kaushalya and Shri Ram, so she suffered that Karma by being separated from Shri Krishna for 14 years, while Yashoda Devi made up lost time in the Ramayana by bringing up Shri Krishna.

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desichica

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: godisone

Hmm...I don't know who Nand Baba is, but it's an interesting question to reflect on.

I've actually heard the same from the initial topic...that Kaikeyi is reborn as Devaki and Mata Kaushalya is reborn as Yashoda!!!! It just makes more sense that Kaikeyi is reborn as Devaki since she was the reason of separation of Mother & Son in Treta Yug!!!!! Like the saying goes "Karma comes around & bites you real hard".......even now, if we ponder bout the things that happen to us in life (good or bad) they are the results or consequences of our previous births!!!!!

Oh and as far as Nandbaba is concerned....he is supposed to be Vasudev's good friend in Dwarpa Yug & also the husband of Yashoda Maya!!!! Hope that answers your question!!!!😛

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