All Breaking Dawn Spoilers & Discussions!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hey Twilighters!

Breaking Dawn has been released, and those who've already received a copy are almost or fully done with the book.

Some were disappointed, while others were satisfied.

We all have different views on the book, and we all want to get those views out there.

So please, instead of opening separate topics for sharing these views and for posting spoilers, post them in this thread.

That way, we can have an organized collection to find reviews and spoilers for those who'd like to read them.

You can post any spoiler in this particular topic only, without worrying about posting a spoiler warning. 😊

*This thread has been approved by Sam btw.*

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Thanks for the topic!! We needed that!! Dont post separate topics about Spoilers!!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well, I'm taking my time to read it, I just don't wanna finish it right away and then think what should I read now, anyhow I'm at honeymoon right now I mean the edward and bella honeymoon don't think anything else😆
I don't know why is he breaking beds 😛 kinda funny though...
and the wedding was okay, but jacob was interfering a bit too much, I don't really like the idea of have your extra affair boyfriend to your wedding and your boyfriend being over understanding, 😡 so I didn't like it, but the rest of the wedding was good, 🤔
simply now I'm not too happy but let's see if anything better happens like if volturi comes 😃
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Posted: 17 years ago
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idc wht people say buts its reallly goood
and i kinda like the book jacobs perspective its great
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Bitter Disappointment: Review of Breaking Dawn

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Note: If you ADORED Breaking Dawn and don't want to see it criticized, don't read this ;)

Recommended: For those who want to gouge their eyes out. 2.3/10 For the pain of writing 700 pages full of content that's likely to become a "Don't-Do" for every budding author. This is what happens when you love your characters too much and create Mary Sue's and Gary Stu's.

In a nutshell,
Breaking Dawn is akin to the 1,000+ stories on FanFiction.net, probably even worse than some. Word of advice, find a good story there. It's probably less than 700+ pages and some authors there actually make the effort to not create Mary Sue characters, unlike Stephenie Meyer. For a better interpretation of vampire-realm, read Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles. The climax was so anti-climactic - I was hoping for more semi-important character deaths.

More Detailed Review

-Spoilers below –

When Twilight came out, I was vaguely interested by the intricate world created by Meyer. I finished New Moon in one sitting, despite being disappointed by the poor characterization. I greatly anticipated Eclipse but it fell short. It left me disappointed enough not to have high expectations for Breaking Dawn. However, Breaking Dawn or B.D created a whole new level of low. It crushed my lowest expectations. Did Meyer's editor not edit this? I found some grammatical errors and I wasn't even looking for them, specifically. This saga sank faster than the Titanic and is the perfect example of what happens when you love your characters too much.

When you create a book series, usually there is an internal underlying plot within the first book that continues throughout the rest of the books, developing until it is finally resolved. The reason Harry Potter survived is because the *plot* was laced throughout all the books and the ultimate climax, few loopholes and resolution were tied in the final book. The plot of the Twilight saga…I won't justify the plot in any of the books aside from the first one. Let's just say, it's a very rough ride. The plot is non-existent. This is a novel about a baby that shouldn't even exist, not by the laws of nature set by Meyer in Twilight-verse.

Where do I start when it comes to characters? I've always maintained that both main characters of Stephenie Meyer are classic examples of Mary Sue and Gary Stu so it's not like I was expecting great development of believable characters with believable flaws experiencing something unbelievable. The only believable dude, Jacob – Meyer manages to ruin him. 1/3 of the novel is in Jacob's perspective and honestly, it is the part I enjoyed the most in this parody of a book. Meyer's ruined her best and most realistic character. Not only did he completely creep me out, he was so haughty and whiny that I started craving the whining queen, Bella. His imprinting the little Nessie monster put icing on the inglorious cake. By now, I was ready to pull a page from Meyer's New Moon, and jump off a cliff to save myself from the rest of the unpleasant surprises the book had to offer.

But I didn't, and now, I realize I really should have.

Let's move on to Bella. The girl gives definition to "Mary Sue" and is the embodiment of self-insertion. She is the epitome of the Too Stupid to Live heroine. Her character, or lack thereof, was declining in the previous two novels; however, in B.D, Bella is intolerable. She is selfish. She whines about everything: From the beautiful expensive car Edward bought her to the wedding preparations, the dress, the ring, and everything else! Pity her – she has to marry the man of her dreams. Oh, the cruel, mean, big bad world!! She's more concerned about people, who she doesn't know, mocking her for marrying young than the happiness of the man she claims to love more than life itself.

And don't get me started on her treatment of Jacob. It's disgusting. The kid had the misfortune of loving Bella. C'mon! She realizes she loves him but she loves Edward more, hence, she chooses Edward. But Bella is paralyzed by the paradox of loving one guy more than the other but wanting both guys. Oh, the agony! Bella wants to have her cake and eat it, too. She hurts both boys, by refusing to cut ties with Jacob. This way Jacob can't move on from her and Edward can't fully have her, either.

She claims she hates herself for hurting him and even goes to the extent of saying it's a crime to hurt him as much as she does but does she love him enough to let him move on? Oh no! She wouldn't feel 'complete' without him so she clings to him, like a koala to a tree branch, even after her marriage. Take extreme selfishness; add lack of consideration for anyone's feelings. Result = Bella refers to her unborn baby as "EJ", not caring whether Edward would be happy about naming his miracle kid after his rival. Nope. Bella want Edward. Bella want Jacob. Bella name kid. Bella get what Bella want. Grrr! She makes Dolores Umbridge seem believable.

A bit about Edward, who made Twilight worth reading, despite being poorly developed and a complete Garry Stu. However, by the time you finish B.D, you either feel terribly sorry for him because he's been steam-rolled by the Bella-rover or disdainful of him for becoming Troll Queen Bella's doormat. I hated him by the end of the book because he took Bella's whims like a slave. I was ready to scream if he said "If it makes her happy, I'll do it, even if it ruins her" another time. Through this, Meyer sends the message that if you're in love, blindly devote yourself to your lover because that's what "true love" is, according to Meyer. It doesn't matter if your lover becomes an overbearing banshee. Worship the very ground she walks on.

Meyer created this universe where Vampires and Werewolves existed. In order to keep everything in control, rules were laid out. Meyer violates the very foundation of her saga. Bella's child shouldn't even exist, given Meyer's specific "Vampires can't have children". Meyer gives a pathetic, confusing explanation as to how Edward got Bella pregnant, which I really can't be bothered to elaborate on since it doesn't make sense. And get this, as if the child's perplexing existence wasn't enough, the name "Renesmee" had me gagging. Might as well name the kid Brangelina, or Bedward and be done with it. Meyer created her own world but she couldn't stay true to it. This monstrous baby, who really shouldn't have been born going by the rules created by Meyer, feeds on the blood of its own mother? Bella drinks human blood, while she's still human and likes it? This is the same Bella who almost fainted while doing blood typing in Biology!? And when Edward asks Jacob to offer to make babies with Bella! True Love, indeed!!

The delivery of the baby was disgusting. Bella vomiting blood, her bones breaking right and left, blood vessels popping, Edward biting her to turn her into a vampire and the moment where the mommy first sees the baby – which is supposed to be heart warming – was charred by the baby taking a piece (literally) of her own mother. Gag-Me-With-A-Spoon-Of-Salt. Oh but wait, the best is yet to come. Jacob imprinting Bella and Edward's daughter. Ick! I could see it was the only way of making a happy ending for Jacob but are we so stubborn that we simply HAVE to see Jacob partnered with a girl? The carefully constructed message in the previous books was completely destroyed. When Bella falls for Edward, she has to face the choices of leaving behind life as she's known it, loosing her mother father and every other human who matters to her; the bloodlust of being a newborn vampire; and the self-control and restraint that the rest of the Cullen's had achieved. Edward's angst about the state of his soul is one of the gripping factors in the books. He grieves the loss of his soul. Bella has to confront this and choose whether or not to sacrifice her humanity for love. However, in this book, it's all regulated to the sidelines to give path to the OBHCF (A variation of OBHWF.).

When she becomes a vampire, everything is so much more beautiful, more enchanting, and more marvelous. Not only does she still feel all emotions and passions she's had as a human, but they are astonishingly intensified. By the time you finish reading about her glorious mornings as a vampire, you wonder why you aren't one yourself. Every shred of description, detail is washed away to make a happy ending for everyone. How nauseating!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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i really liked breakin dawn all though i have to say jacob's POV was a bit slow but book 3 picks it up and the ending was great...i cant wait to watch the movie in dec for twilight
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I finally finished breaking dawn!!!!!
i luved it!
the beginning was my favorite,the wedding and everything,it was great!
i liked book2,which was from jacob's perspective,it rlly changed my mind about jacob,before i didnt like him and found him annoying at sum point but then after reading book2,i changed my mind.
book 3 was good too,the part when bella started to becum a vampire and all.and i dont know why,but i saw sum people getting annoyed and saying that bella is different and blah blah,and that she isnt herself and all,HOW CAN SHE BE HERSELF?!for heaven's sake she's a vampire now!!!why wouldnt she not be acting kinda different,she is supposed to be strong,thats how vampires are supposed to be!strong,pale, and fast.i luv renesmee,i found her to be very cute and adorable.
Rosalie,annoyed me atleast once or twice but then i understood her at sum point that she rlly wanted a child but one thing i didnt like that at first she didnt care if bella died,she just wanted the baby.but then later on,she changed her feelings about bella.
i rlly luved breaking dawn but i thought the ending could have been MUCH MUCH better.
i rlly didnt expect the ending to be like that,and who did?
but other than that,i luved Breaking Dawn!!!
i cant wait till Twilight The Sage:The Official Guide cums out in December 30,08!!!

Love,
Tehseen😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: *~Kaynaat~*

and i dont know why,but i saw sum people getting annoyed and saying that bella is different and blah blah,and that she isnt herself and all,HOW CAN SHE BE HERSELF?!for heaven's sake she's a vampire now!!!why wouldnt she not be acting kinda different,she is supposed to be strong,thats how vampires are supposed to be!strong,pale, and fast.

Okay, this comment really threw me off.
Just because she's a vampire doesn't mean she's a whole new person. The Cullens BUILT their self-control, taking years to master it and yet, Bella is Super!Bella who can control every aspect of a newborn vampire it took other years to master. Also, Bella had to drink human blood while she was still human and she liked it🤢. Is she the same Bella who fainted in biology class during blood typing? Through Edward's perspective, being a vampire is essentially losing your soul. Yet Bella's experience as a newborn is so enchanting it makes me wonder why I'm not a vampire.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShadowKisses

Okay, this comment really threw me off.
Just because she's a vampire doesn't mean she's a whole new person. The Cullens BUILT their self-control, taking years to master it and yet, Bella is Super!Bella who can control every aspect of a newborn vampire it took other years to master. Also, Bella had to drink human blood while she was still human and she liked it🤢. Is she the same Bella who fainted in biology class during blood typing? Through Edward's perspective, being a vampire is essentially losing your soul. Yet Bella's experience as a newborn is so enchanting it makes me wonder why I'm not a vampire.



I know that Bella isnt a whole new person now that she is a vampire.
she drank the blood while she was still human because she had a baby in her that was half human and half vampire and if the baby is half vampire,it would crave for blood,blood and more blood,thats why Bella actually drank it,but she did hesitate before drinking it right?she only drank is so that the baby doesnt kill her and so that the baby wouldnt stay hungry for long.
and as Edward mentioned in Twilight,he said that Carlisle had a theory that Edward got the power to read minds because while he was human,he was always curious about what others thought.So Bella's power was self control,while she was human,she would always trip and fall and mess up,she wasnt strong enough.So,Bella got wat she didnt have when she was human.i mean she did have self control but then only sumtimes.for example,the time when jacob kissed her,she punched him,she has no control over her self that time.and when Edward left her,she couldnt handle herself for a while,it took her time.well,you know what,i dont know what im saying,lol.but i do kinda agree wid u on the part that self control is sumthing every vampire takes time on,i just accepted that part as a power she got like how Edward, Alice and Renesemee and the rest of the Cullens got,she got self control.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: *~Kaynaat~*


I know that Bella isnt a whole new person now that she is a vampire.
she drank the blood while she was still human because she had a baby in her that was half human and half vampire and if the baby is half vampire,it would crave for blood,blood and more blood,thats why Bella actually drank it,but she did hesitate before drinking it right?she only drank is so that the baby doesnt kill her and so that the baby wouldnt stay hungry for long.
and as Edward mentioned in Twilight,he said that Carlisle had a theory that Edward got the power to read minds because while he was human,he was always curious about what others thought.So Bella's power was self control,while she was human,she would always trip and fall and mess up,she wasnt strong enough.So,Bella got wat she didnt have when she was human.i mean she did have self control but then only sumtimes.for example,the time when jacob kissed her,she punched him,she has no control over her self that time.and when Edward left her,she couldnt handle herself for a while,it took her time.well,you know what,i dont know what im saying,lol.but i do kinda agree wid u on the part that self control is sumthing every vampire takes time on,i just accepted that part as a power she got like how Edward, Alice and Renesemee and the rest of the Cullens got,she got self control.

I know the reason she drank the blood but I can't stomach how well she stomached it. She isn't the same Bella who fainted at the sight of blood and she should be because she's still human therefore it can't be attributed to some weird post-vampire effect. I mean if I was asked to drink blood from another human to preserve a mutant kid in me, while I wouldn't faint at the sight of it, I'd definitely wouldn't be accepting of it because it is just gross. A really unlucky person was killed to get the blood for an unborn fetus. That would make me question my morality and humanity - y'know moral conflict and such.
Tripping and messingup defines a strong character? :S I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. Clumsiness is not a character flaw which can be improved.
I thought her power was mind protection sheild like Edward's is reading others thoughts. :S Self-control is something everyone (fiction and reality alike) needs to work one, I believe. I just feel it's a bit unrealistic that Bella built this self-control in such a small time while it took others decades to master it.

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