Unfair and stupid Ambika

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Ambika's character is the most stupid and unfair character in Saat phere .
First , she opted to live and feed a grown up Saloni when a little child .....Nikita was burning in fever instead of rushing there to take care of her knowing SAmar wud not be able to do it on his own . Saloni has had a sad deal , yes , but honestly , she is grown up and can handle it . She doesnt need feeding ......thats plain stupidity . Besides , she wasnt alone , she has a whole house of people and servants tending to her including Bhabho and Nahar who love her most . Nikita had nobody and needed Ambika .
Then when Samar told her why he called Ginni , she is saying , ' Main kuch nahin Jaanti .' What the hell does she mean ? She is never ready to listen to explanations is she ? Not from poor Narpat , not from Saloni when she was angry with her , now , not from Samar . And exactly how many kicks from Kaveri does she need on her rear end to stop talking on kaveri's behalf ? What has kaveri ever done for her till date for her to do Kaveri Kaveri all the time ? Kaveri refused to come and even look at Nikita out of humanity !
Inhuman Ambika and Inhuman Kaveri deserve each other .

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Posted: 17 years ago
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I say bravo Ambika - her daughter lost her baby and can't have children - a Woman needs her mother at such a time.
Saloni is her child and she needed her mother. Ambika in my opinion did the right thing.
Samar is a big man - is he so helpless he can't take of his child. I have no sympathy for him. He can't take of a child by himself he needed to run by Ginni. Putting aside Kaveri nastiness how is bringing Ginni to stay at his home going to help his marital situation.
And Samar is the same idiot who did not give his father a fair hearing why does he deserve one now.........
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: judyp

I say bravo Ambika - her daughter lost her baby and can't have children - a Woman needs her mother at such a time.

Saloni is her child and she needed her mother. Ambika in my opinion did the right thing.
Samar is a big man - is he so helpless he can't take of his child. I have no sympathy for him. He can't take of a child by himself he needed to run by Ginni. Putting aside Kaveri nastiness how is bringing Ginni to stay at his home going to help his marital situation.
And Samar is the same idiot who did not give his father a fair hearing why does he deserve one now.........

judyp
im sorry dear i dont agree on any point with u .😊
Of course a daughter needs mother when she loses child . Im not denying that at all . But see the situation . A small child , in the care of an inexperienced man , burning with high fever . judy , these r Indian serials and most of the Indian men [ not all ] in India r used to depending totally on the women of the family like wife or mom or grandma to take care of babies . This is a fact . See how badly Kakasa looked after Advitiya . For sometime he looked after him then left him to attend to his stupid cell phone , not thinking of the possibilities .
Im not saying this is right .....im merely saying this is how things r . And to his credit judy , Samar was shown trying his best . But High fever is a frightening thing , and bound to give tension . It leads to convulsions , brain strokes , dehydration anything . Kaveri flatly refused to come , Ambika opted to stay with Saloni , wat was he supposed to do ? Isnt it better to accept that I cannot handle this i need help rather than sit and wonder wat society will say and allow the child to suffer ? what Samar did was the practical thing......wat Ambika did was the impractical and emotional thing .
Also , look at it practically .Saloni lost her baby ....sad . But healthwise now she is moving around , eating , playing with Advitiya , feeding him , she isnt exactly bedridden , right ? Does she needs bedpans and feeding with hand ? She has so many people looking for her .....bhabho and Nahar love her frankly much more than Ambika . u said woman needs mom at such time , but did Saloni ever have that closeness with Ambika in her whole life ?She disliked her coz she was black ....even now somedays back Ambika was literally cursing her ! I think Saloni is pretty much used to being without Ambikas emotional support . In fact she became such a toughie coz Of Ambikas indiffrence ! And btw where was ambika when Kaveri was living in the house and Saloni was in hospital ? She opted to pamper pregnant Kaveri instead of pregnant Saloni . This whole big thing of Ambika being there for saloni is highly over hyped . Poor Nikita is loved only and only by Samar . Whatever samar is , he has been consistent in his love for Nikita . Ambika was busy in one tamasha after other and constantly in bad moods and Kavei was inhuman to her .
And why shud he think of Kaveris feelings or if it will help his marraige in such a crisis ? Is that even the time to think of such things ? When Kaveri flatly refused to come , her importance in the marraige ceases as she bluntly gave a message .....let the child die for all i care , i wont come , my ego is more important ! So now Samar is free to choose any way he can to do the best for his sick child ......and neither shud Kaveri feel righteously angry nor Ambika as both opted not to come for reasons of their own ! And wat Marraige was he gonna work on .....the marraige was a lie from the beginning .....how many lies has Kaveri told in the marraige ? This very Nikita Kaveri brot in the house and dumped her on Samar to do the work , how coolly she walked off with her own child in her belly , uncaring about the adopted Child ? To Samars credit , he loved nikita like his own blood and never diffrentiated between her and the one in kaveris womb .
He may be wrong in Narpats case but that is not the issue here , he is a hell of a father . Neither was Ambika a hell of a mother nor Kaveri .
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Posted: 17 years ago
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KS disagreement is cool 😊

Don't get me wrong

Frankly I dislike Kaveri, I particularly don't like Samar.

But I have no problem with him bringing Ginni to help him after all Kaveri turn him down and Nikita well being should come first.

However a couple of things

I am happy that Ambika is there for Saloni. If she had left Saloni even though Saloni is not bed ridden whatever the reason Saloni would understand but maybe for the 1st time in her life Ambika should put her 1st. Saloni deserves that, even though she has Nahar and Bhaboo it's not the same.

The writers are given an impression that Kaveri loved Nikita or Nikita loves Kaveri which I find unbelievable. When Nikita was crying neither Samar nor Ambika could comfort her and it was implied she needed her Mother (Kaveri). Kaveri walking out without a backward glance is more believable. If Samar and Ginni bond due to this illness Kaveri has herself to blame.

I have never seen Samar as an inexperience or incapable father the writers have always shown his love and his capability with Nikita. So his scrambling to find some one to help him is a way to get him together with Ginni.

By the way what about Shubdra....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: judyp

KS disagreement is cool 😊

Don't get me wrong

Frankly I dislike Kaveri, I particularly don't like Samar.

But I have no problem with him bringing Ginni to help him after all Kaveri turn him down and Nikita well being should come first.

However a couple of things

I am happy that Ambika is there for Saloni. If she had left Saloni even though Saloni is not bed ridden whatever the reason Saloni would understand but maybe for the 1st time in her life Ambika should put her 1st. Saloni deserves that, even though she has Nahar and Bhaboo it's not the same.

The writers are given an impression that Kaveri loved Nikita or Nikita loves Kaveri which I find unbelievable. When Nikita was crying neither Samar nor Ambika could comfort her and it was implied she needed her Mother (Kaveri). Kaveri walking out without a backward glance is more believable. If Samar and Ginni bond due to this illness Kaveri has herself to blame.

I have never seen Samar as an inexperience or incapable father the writers have always shown his love and his capability with Nikita. So his scrambling to find some one to help him is a way to get him together with Ginni.

By the way what about Shubdra....

Judy dear 😊 U said that for the first time in life , Ambika shud put Saloni first .......
I say that for the first time in life , when even during her pregnancy Saloni didnt put herself first ........why now expect it from other people .....and wat r other people gonna do now anyways , hard as it sounds . Forget putting herself first , Saloni didnt even put her baby first above other things ......she put Advitiya first , and totally neglected her baby . Had she called out for help the men nearer the fire wud have reached Advitiya ....but so strong was her emotion for Advitiya that she personally wanted to plunge in danger for him .Heroic as this sounds its totally not giving priority to ur unborn child who cannot speak and has only u [ the mother ] to protect it.....no one else . When Saloni herself didnt give herself this priority now wat r so many people crowding around her will do rather than increasing the pain with their mushy talks . At least let the other children .....like Nikita , get priority . Advitiya is already getting it again from Saloni immediately now . When Saloni is giving Advitiya so much priority , [ already feeding him wat not ] why not be adult enough to give others like Nikita priority .
Ok im perhaps being sarcastic here .....ill cut down my sarcasm here😊 and say this : Child shudnt be endangered , adult can manage . Fact of life . Especially adult surrounded by loving people and lots of servants . An inept man can be detrimental to a childs welfare in such a situation . Samar is definetely more capable than kakasa but clearly the situation was getting out of hand .
I dont think the writers r trying to show Kaveri did anything watsoever for Nikita . Infact just the opposite . Nikita needing her mom was more out of habit the way one needs a stern nanny perhaps ......the child doesnt necessarily bond emotinally with the nanny but needs her out of sheer habit . And Kaveri had cleverly decided to win Samar back by making Nikita dependent on her .
The Shubhra point . Agreed with u here . Ideal wud have been for SP wallahs to show that Samar phoned Shubhra too and for sum reason Shubhra didnt come too . They didnt . Still i wud say that given the state of Shubhra's relation with her sasural wallahs and Samar's rather embarassed and hostile relation with Gaj .....I wudnt really blame him for not phoning Shubhra . The entire family ....Kunjan , Padma , Gaj rather make Salonis maayka uneasy rather than comfortable .
Of course all this was for Ginny and Sam to get together . Nice twist , i feel .
And yes , its a very cool disagreement . Enjoyed it .😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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As a child Nikita does require priority and Ambika has decided that Saloni is her priority as Samar has decided that Nikita is his priority. Both are parents with a priority towards their own. That makes Ambika human and to an extend unfair to Samar not understanding that he is doing all for his sick daughter.

btw

When Samar hurled abuse at a pregnant Saloni (he never visited her at the Hospital or home when she was ill) he never had a care for her pressure or her well-being he only came to take her to task for telling Kalika about Nikita. His angry due to her bringing Kalika into his home spilled over he did not have a care for the well-being of her child.

Agreed Shubdra inlaws would have had a fit if she had gone to help, so I agree that Samar had one option.

Do you remember when Kaveri had gone to Neel and Nishi's wedding and Samar was anxiously looking for his wife again Nikita was inconsolable. But I take your point that Nikita need for her may be habit but I still don't understand why Nikita doesn't cling to Ambika….

On Saloni agreed she didn't put her child first and that's why she dealing with her reality – childless future, as well as she has killed Nahar's dreams. The writers have her facing her consequences for not protecting her child.
Reinforcing this would be when she clearly understands that BT's child is not her own, which I really hope happens soon.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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ambika always have double standards. she was unfair to saloni who helped her the most. But she liked samar and shubhra most. kaveri treated her and treats her like dirt and she time and time favor her over any one including saloni.
true nikita needs her mom in sickness and I am sure she also know that kaveri cared for nikita only to please samar.
Ambika is prime example of hypocrisy and deserves all the insults she gets from kaveri.
poor ginni. she even stays from samar and keeps the distance.
Ambika knows samar and that how much he loves kaveri. How can you loose your trust in a second..
first kaveri now ambika both are doubting samar' love for kaveri. Ambika does not trust her upbrining. She is truly an unstable person.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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judy

see , let me put it this way . Whenever i watch a serial i always put myself in the place of the character in the midst of an interesting situation and wonder wat i wud have done . Im sure all the viewers at sum point or the other do it .....thats why serials have so many fans .
And when i saw the situation i felt had i been in Ambikas place , I wud have gone to Nikita to nurse her after hugging my daughter , wiping her tears ....explaining to her why I had to go as emergency has risen . U said Ambika is making Saloni her priority as Sam has made Nikita his priority but I feel certain situations make u rise above the fact whether ur a mother or a grandmother . I wud have told my adult daughter to take care , and knowing that she is in safe hands i wud have rushed to the little girl who had no one except her dad .....for at that point i wud be neither mother giving priority to my daughter nor a grandmother giving priority to grandchild over my daughter .......only a human being bas . And my human instinct wud have calculated that practically speaking i cannot do much here .....my need is there to nurse the little one . I think at one point one has to think only on human level .
saloni too saved advitya on human level but she did have an option to yell out .
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

judy

see , let me put it this way . Whenever i watch a serial i always put myself in the place of the character in the midst of an interesting situation and wonder wat i wud have done . Im sure all the viewers at sum point or the other do it .....thats why serials have so many fans .
And when i saw the situation i felt had i been in Ambikas place , I wud have gone to Nikita to nurse her after hugging my daughter , wiping her tears ....explaining to her why I had to go as emergency has risen . U said Ambika is making Saloni her priority as Sam has made Nikita his priority but I feel certain situations make u rise above the fact whether ur a mother or a grandmother . I wud have told my adult daughter to take care , and knowing that she is in safe hands i wud have rushed to the little girl who had no one except her dad .....for at that point i wud be neither mother giving priority to my daughter nor a grandmother giving priority to grandchild over my daughter .......only a human being bas . And my human instinct wud have calculated that practically speaking i cannot do much here .....my need is there to nurse the little one . I think at one point one has to think only on human level .
saloni too saved advitya on human level but she did have an option to yell out .

I agree if Ambika was a rational/logical thinking person. But as history has shown she's not .....
Your point KS 😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: ramas

ambika always have double standards. she was unfair to saloni who helped her the most. But she liked samar and shubhra most. kaveri treated her and treats her like dirt and she time and time favor her over any one including saloni.

true nikita needs her mom in sickness and I am sure she also know that kaveri cared for nikita only to please samar.
Ambika is prime example of hypocrisy and deserves all the insults she gets from kaveri.
poor ginni. she even stays from samar and keeps the distance.
Ambika knows samar and that how much he loves kaveri. How can you loose your trust in a second..
first kaveri now ambika both are doubting samar' love for kaveri. Ambika does not trust her upbrining. She is truly an unstable person.

Ambika didnt trust Narpat , now Samar , and guess whom she listened to today . Kalika who she knows only recently . She let Kalika manipulate her .

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