16 jul: big things, little things

Originally posted by: estee

real statutory warning this is a horrid bt,lt. think twice before reading this - 'cause i'm fretting. wrong place and time to fret 'cause the gang are not the tolerant sort. there was enough food to keep them occupied while we watched the show. but much whining started with our dissecting the show. girls-under-the-prem-influence and intolerant boys just don't get along! i've been given an hour to "get it out of your system, before we do it by sitting on you". so here i am. and i have dark shadows in my mind.

Is the croud partially to blame then, for your fretting? Dark Shadows...sounds horrible...

* big thing? little thing? stoopid estee thing?: flashbacks! flashbacks galore. and they are all of some of my most beloved prem moments. the start of the jail sequence. prem begging before gayatri-mom. prem wet in a blue shirt cuddling heer for all to see. and suddenly i got paranoid? why only those of what i consider some of the best prem scenes? is it just a coincidence? is there a darker reason? have i truly lost it? 😆

You saw the flashbacks as a sign of dark shadows? Are you sure you weren't just reading into it? Do take into concideration though, that Ullu and Prem both had flashbacks of their hug after Ullu said to Prem that he could proudly step into Prem's shoes. I thought that was a good sign - that they will be reunited. If you're indicating that something will happen to Prem, then don't, becuase I refuse to believe it.

and the sight of prem at the window, rocking ever-so-slightly as if in a train, wasn't enough to lighten the shadow that was born.

The sight of him rocking, with the tears in his eyes, was a bit sad...but in no way did it make me think of this shadow that you're fretting over. No Estee, I won't let you fear this...

(i want to know: were the shots of a moving train? couldn't have been an actual moving train. did anyone else notice that hc, dqazi, nihaal's actor were actually shaking as if in a moving train? that was rather amazing.)

I did notice...it didn't look like it was moving.

* little thing: liked meher going with prem to wash-face-hands. they seem to be wash-face-hands pals. 😆

Good to see that even when you're fretting, you can be light-hearted. It was a sweet gesture indeed...but, Prem didn't bring Meher back with him?

* big thing: ooh, big intrigue. nihaal's mom recognising heer's chain... oooooh... well, um. if the balaji telefilms people want us to get excited about these little red herrings, they should stop throwing new characters in the show like grain for the pigeons! we've been linking nihaal into the maan family on far flimsier evidence! 😆

LOL....very good point. I noticed too that before the chain fell, they made it a point to have the chain go over her dupatta so that the viewers would notice it...
As for characters...I'm thoroughly annoyed...vaise the MM track seems to have been lost somewhere in the winds...

* big thing: a conversation between heer and prem!!!! do you realise this is one of the first general, part-of-life kind of conversations these two have ever had? and what was it like? it was boring. anyone sitting outside of the hallowed circle of our forum would look at the two and ask: are you sure these are not people who have been together for a 100 years and have become fossils? who talks like this, damnit?? (considering i had a bunch of six macho dudes stuffing their faces around me, i'm not kidding about this!)

This same thought hit me too. This is the first time they talked...really talked, like 2 normal adults. I don't know if I'd use the word "boring" but, It was sad to see that their first real conversation dealt with something so....serious, matter-of-fact. It was heartbreaking to think that their first conversation would carry so much emotional weight, when, at their age, and stage in their relationship, you would think things would be more lighthearted.

the absurd thing is - i struggled with tears seeing prem-heer here. this is how they are. quiet, boring. and will burn with conviction when the occassion demands. i wanted to hug them and apologise to them. tell them "see. this is how it is done. this is how it ought to be. i'm so desperately sorry that you've had to go through such hell. i wish that you could be this boring and quiet and peaceful for the rest of your life."

Your tears aren't absurd. It really is a sad fact of their lives.

and the feeling continued through their little prayers. heer praying for old relationships to heal. prem - sigh, prem! - praying for whatever heer wants. after spending all of yesterday saying that prem is perfect, he goes ahead and use yet another wayto show he is. that's his thing. then why do i wonder why he has to be this perfect? i hate prem, damnit.

These two will go to the end of the world and back for one another. Heer praying for Prem...and Prem, praying for Heer's every wish to be fulfilled. The beauty of it is though, that even in their prayers, they are one and the same. Sorry to say it, estee, but I think Prem will continue to rub his perfection in your face for all of eternity. I won't object to your "i hate prem" here.

why, why, why did they have to show this episode today. why when i don't have the space and time to cry?

I cried for us both yesterday.

* prem-heer thing: of course, the absurdly cute thing is that heer gazes upon prem praying (with that prem glow on his face). and when he is done, he returns the favour. seriously, when the priest started lifting his hand, i thought he was going to say "okay, you two, you're done - move it and gaze at each other somewhere else. other's need to pray here!" 😆

"prem glow"...it was amazing, wasn't it? That glow had been missing for a while, I think...it came back full force yesterday. And yes, I too think the gaze lingered too long, and I too was half expecting the priest to say the same.

* enraging thing: and then they show laluchacha praying for a "gift for himself". is there a limit to how selfish this character can get??? in comparison to prem's little prayer, this one enraged me. why this episode today?

I couldn't help but feel really bad for him though. Since you say it like this though, I see your point. Even now, he is selfish. Very good point. But, you didn't feel bad/sad for him even a bit? I mean, in the end, he is simply trying to stay true to his promise to balraj, right? I mean, none of this would have happened in the first place if it weren't for DJ and her stupid plot against Heer/Meher. But yes...you're right...he is selfish.

* little thing: preet doesn't like ashlesha! he looked very affronted at her followinghim into the praying place! this little scene also shows how no matter now new-age preet is, there are some old-age sensibilities that tie him to his pb's type of person. sweet.

Was trying to figure this one out myself. Thanks for clearing it up for me. So he doesn't like her. Which means he's using her. But he shouldn't lead her on, na? Thats not very nice. But love how you pointed out the old-age sensibilities in him. Very observant of you - as usual.

* little thing: the daaijan lady acting stand-offish about praying at the mosque - she's prayed at the shiv mandir. nihaal's mom hurt. kulraj-di disturbed. all i can say is: new generation 2, old generation 0. (carrying on from yesterday's bt,lt)

All I can say is, agreed. This left a bad taste in my mouth.

* little thing: a storm warning? okay, i had to burst out laughing. since when were there such early warning systems - so well organised! - in indian religious places? can you imagine the panic stampede that would happen???

Yes, the warning was indeed so very odd. I had to laugh out loud too.

either i'm seriously out of touch with my home land, or some people's delusions are getting seriously overstretched! there really should be a limit to dramatisation! 😆😆😆

And today didn't help.

* pointless thing: veera - ya, ya, we know she has no qualms about acting jeuvenile anywhere. what was new here is that she thinks kulraj-di is so out of it. in one word, boring and takes up time from what is important which is...

She is a waste of time.

* prem-heer behind a wire mesh: i nearly went up in blazes at the almost familiar sight of prem on one side of a wire mesh with heer on the other. yet another assault on my memories of the best prem-heer moments -- this is what i love the best of all!

I too got a very familiar feeling from that scene...but this time, the atmosphere was much more...enchanting. Beautiful.

except! except - then it was all in the dark, dark room, dark clothes, dark shadows in eyes, deep soft voice from prem, deep silence from heer. here, it is all light! blue light of the night (!evil cameramen, shamelessly pulling memory strings to reduce minds to vacuous spaces!) white light clothes, eyes shining with love up-front and in your face, deep voice from prem, lilting voice from heer, both ringing with the total conviction of their love for each other. without any forewarning, my non-existent heart got full. every knot that was tied, every prayer for happiness - and togetherness! go prem! - was a pull i felt tightening whatever ties my heart to where it is now. and those last two knots for "our happiness, today and all that wait in the future" -- is there any limit to how sweet things can be in a conversation between heer and prem?? how can these two stuff all the conversations that they had to have with each other, about who they are, what they want from life, what their dreams are -- all of that! -- into one set of eight sentences?? how?

Love your description of it. This last scene was incredible. Their eyes shone with so much pure love, so much passion and respect for one another. Loved the passing back and forth of the dhaga. The mannats themselves were just incredible and each so in sync with the other. Indeed, how?

they had me primed the moment i saw that wire-mesh. and then the arrow was shot. the aim was true - what else could it be? i was hauled in - what choice did i have?

There would have been no point to putting up a fight....

if i weren't feeling so traumatised, i'd be applauding this show. every time - every single time - i think i know how high they can take it, they manage to surprise me.

The dhaga scene yesterday blew me away too...

as for what happened next, was there any question that the tears that were born of dark shadows of paranoia, would tremble and fall during this sequence? i'm never going to live this down. the only plus point is that the guys were beginning to whine and the girls were beginning to get irritated that they were distracting them from the prem-heer eye-lock. there was a fight brewing, and the only person who caught the tears was the one who is loony about prem. thank goodness for friends who quietly understand what it's all about.... thank goodness for eye conversations in real life.

It would have been a lost effort if there had been an attempt to hold back the tears....

* big thing: i am .. fretting, deep down inside. and i'm nearly out of time, so i'll be quick.

heer prayed for breaching of the distance between old relationships, the healing of old links. she thinks that she will get prem and his bauji together. but what she will be granted is her old relationship with laluchacha. and with the force of prem's prayers with her, this wish will be granted.

Yes...this seems for sure now...Ullu will learn of her identity and kick himself, as he rightly should.

isn't it nice though that if this relationship does get healed, the prem-bauji relationship will also naturally heal? at least it should! unless laluchacha is going to be stoooooopidly stubborn about prem not having done as he wished! if he does this, i'm changing his name to old-goat! (i've good reasons to besmirch that animal's name, melissa, don't get me started!)

BINGO! Kudos to you for this. If Ullu accepts Heer, he automatically accepts Premeer, and therefore, Prem's relationship with him is revived. Brilliant thought.

but - i still wish she'd asked for prem-bauji to be together rather than the ambiguous "heal old relationships". Ouch my dark shadows wish it were so. just as my dark shadows wish that prem was not so perfect. that his soul was not so white. that ...

I obviously didn't read into her prayers as much as you did, because those "old relationships" she was talking about in my eyes was that of Prems with his family.
As for Prem, he's too pure to be of this world.

i can't hate prem today. i can't. i'm ... my heart .. is too full. and i confess, i'm not looking forward to tomorrow. can i pray that i die before tomorrow? is there a divine entity out there who actually grants wishes?

I think this is the first time you haven't signed off with an "I hate Prem"....🙂

no highlights today, people. i can't. i wish you all tonnes of fun and joy. till tomorrow then?

Originally posted by: estee

* little thing: liked meher going with prem to wash-face-hands. they seem to be wash-face-hands palseven i was thinking prem made a new hand wash pal and so did meher. 😆

* big thing: ooh, big intrigue. nihaal's mom recognising heer's chain... oooooh... well, um. if the balaji telefilms people want us to get excited about these little red herrings, they should stop throwing new characters in the show like grain for the pigeons! we've been linking nihaal into the maan family on far flimsier evidence! 😆hehehehehee yes and i never pay attention to those details coz even the creatives forget them and then we all wonder that what happened??now what about lallu holding that dupatta though????what was that about E???

* big thing: a conversation between heer and prem!!!! do you realise this is one of the first general, part-of-life kind of conversations these two have ever had? and what was it like? it was boring. anyone sitting outside of the hallowed circle of our forum would look at the two and ask: are you sure these are not people who have been together for a 100 years and have become fossils? who talks like this, damnit?? (considering i had a bunch of six macho dudes stuffing their faces around me, i'm not kidding about this!)yes tell me about it E, who talks like that???????????? i was thinking that maybe something funny or even cute........i understand its a religious place so romance would be limited but never mind atleast we got to see prem and heer and prem not crying

and the feeling continued through their little prayers. heer praying for old relationships to heal. prem - sigh, prem! - praying for whatever heer wants. after spending all of yesterday saying that prem is perfect, he goes ahead and use yet another wayto show he is. that's his thing. then why do i wonder why he has to be this perfect? i hate prem, damnit. ditto ditto ditto

* prem-heer thing: of course, the absurdly cute thing is that heer gazes upon prem praying (with that prem glow on his face). and when he is done, he returns the favour. seriously, when the priest started lifting his hand, i thought he was going to say "okay, you two, you're done - move it and gaze at each other somewhere else. other's need to pray here!" 😆even i was thinking that these two are going to get kicked out....

* enraging thing: and then they show laluchacha praying for a "gift for himself". is there a limit to how selfish this character can get??? in comparison to prem's little prayer, this one enraged me. why this episode today? you should read what i wrote about this "PRAYER" in my post.....................he is a selfish old man....................i wont write much coz ihave written all about it but do read it and let mek now what you think?

* little thing: preet doesn't like ashlesha! he looked very affronted at her followinghim into the praying place! this little scene also shows how no matter now new-age preet is, there are some old-age sensibilities that tie him to his pb's type of person. sweet.that was one of the best scenes of the show ofcourse after prem and heer

* little thing: a storm warning? okay, i had to burst out laughing. since when were there such early warning systems - so well organised! - in indian religious places? can you imagine the panic stampede that would happen??? this can happen only in india


* pointless thing: veera - ya, ya, we know she has no qualms about acting jeuvenile anywhere. what was new here is that she thinks kulraj-di is so out of it. in one word, boring and takes up time from what is important which is...she is another one that i dont like so wont waste my time on her

* prem-heer behind a wire mesh: i nearly went up in blazes at the almost familiar sight of prem on one side of a wire mesh with heer on the other. yet another assault on my memories of the best prem-heer moments -- this is what i love the best of all! loved it loved it loved it

heer prayed for breaching of the distance between old relationships, the healing of old links. she thinks that she will get prem and his bauji together. but what she will be granted is her old relationship with laluchacha. and with the force of prem's prayers with her, this wish will be granted.I love your logic and atleast heer didnt say about leaving prem.....i know she is planning on giving him away.....i still laugh thinking about that but i hope your logic is right

i can't hate prem today. i can't. i'm ... my heart .. is too full. and i confess, i'm not looking forward to tomorrow. can i pray that i die before tomorrow? is there a divine entity out there who actually grants wishes?E dont you think thursday usually are bad????i have nothing for today's show but what do you reckon?????there is a divinity and i think our prayers finally are answered and prem didnt cry but do you think we should hope for more???

no highlights today, people. i can't. i wish you all tonnes of fun and joy. till tomorrow then?

Originally posted by: estee

real statutory warning this is a horrid bt,lt. think twice before reading this - 'cause i'm fretting. wrong place and time to fret 'cause the gang are not the tolerant sort. there was enough food to keep them occupied while we watched the show. but much whining started with our dissecting the show. girls-under-the-prem-influence and intolerant boys just don't get along! i've been given an hour to "get it out of your system, before we do it by sitting on you". so here i am. and i have dark shadows in my mind. 😆😆😆 you hate it him right 😆😆😆 should not be too difficult😆😆😆

* big thing? little thing? stoopid estee thing?: flashbacks! flashbacks galore. and they are all of some of my most beloved prem moments. the start of the jail sequence. prem begging before gayatri-mom. prem wet in a blue shirt cuddling heer for all to see. and suddenly i got paranoid? why only those of what i consider some of the best prem scenes? is it just a coincidence? is there a darker reason? have i truly lost it? 😆 never thought they had shown the best scenes and there was a darker reason. i do not want to go there

and the sight of prem at the window, rocking ever-so-slightly as if in a train, wasn't enough to lighten the shadow that was born. i do not think that they were in a moving train. i also noticed that they were all rocking ever so slightly. also, heer's makeup was as if she had been sleeping and also gaya3 too. so do not know. maybe they did really take shots of them after a few hours of travelling. but the rocking bit was done on purpose as the some shots were from outside. the creatives know how the scenes are dissected so they are paying a lot of attention to detail.😆

(i want to know: were the shots of a moving train? couldn't have been an actual moving train. did anyone else notice that hc, dqazi, nihaal's actor were actually shaking as if in a moving train? that was rather amazing.)

* little thing: liked meher going with prem to wash-face-hands. they seem to be wash-face-hands pals. 😆
they never showed her after that - guess they had to show somehow that meher was there because after that all the scenes were of premeer praying together.
* big thing: ooh, big intrigue. nihaal's mom recognising heer's chain... oooooh... well, um. if the balaji telefilms people want us to get excited about these little red herrings, they should stop throwing new characters in the show like grain for the pigeons! we've been linking nihaal into the maan family on far flimsier evidence! 😆 i am somewhat happy if they introduced her as an afterthought because they decided she was going to die and not prem. please, please God let that be the case (am missing some emoticons )

* big thing: a conversation between heer and prem!!!! do you realise this is one of the first general, part-of-life kind of conversations these two have ever had? and what was it like? it was boring. anyone sitting outside of the hallowed circle of our forum would look at the two and ask: are you sure these are not people who have been together for a 100 years and have become fossils? who talks like this, damnit?? (considering i had a bunch of six macho dudes stuffing their faces around me, i'm not kidding about this!) as soon as I read the first part, i knew that was an outside comment and not from you 😆 - yeah the conversations if any between these two are bizarre - they melt into one when they are together and their souls like know what the other is going through and it comes out in theie eye conversations. theirs is a depth of love yet unseen in any couple. soulike? either that or i have gone crazy 😆😆😆

the absurd thing is - i struggled with tears seeing prem-heer here. this is how they are. quiet, boring. and will burn with conviction when the occassion demands. i wanted to hug them and apologise to them. tell them "see. this is how it is done. this is how it ought to be. i'm so desperately sorry that you've had to go through such hell. i wish that you could be this boring and quiet and peaceful for the rest of your life." i guess what they are going through does not mean much - they connect at a deeper level which is beyond this world and our comprehension. now i have totally lost it 😆😆

and the feeling continued through their little prayers. heer praying for old relationships to heal. prem - sigh, prem! - praying for whatever heer wants. after spending all of yesterday saying that prem is perfect, he goes ahead and use yet another wayto show he is. that's his thing. then why do i wonder why he has to be this perfect? i hate prem, damnit. yup today watching him i thought yes, he is sad but there is no doubt in his mind about wanting to be with heer.

why, why, why did they have to show this episode today. why when i don't have the space and time to cry? it was an episode to rejoice was it not. they have been crying for so long and now when they are smiling, you wanted to cry - tears of joy?

* prem-heer thing: of course, the absurdly cute thing is that heer gazes upon prem praying (with that prem glow on his face). and when he is done, he returns the favour. seriously, when the priest started lifting his hand, i thought he was going to say "okay, you two, you're done - move it and gaze at each other somewhere else. other's need to pray here!" 😆 yeah, these two have been talking to each other without making eye contact and saying the 'prem' and 'heer' in their conversations 😆😆😆 - guess when their eyes do meet - they are locked - i was feeling sorry for the priest - 😆😆

* enraging thing: and then they show laluchacha praying for a "gift for himself". is there a limit to how selfish this character can get??? in comparison to prem's little prayer, this one enraged me. why this episode today? he wants something to take back with him. wonder what it will be. heer maybe after he finds out who she is - hope he takes premeer together.

* little thing: preet doesn't like ashlesha! he looked very affronted at her followinghim into the praying place! this little scene also shows how no matter now new-age preet is, there are some old-age sensibilities that tie him to his pb's type of person. sweet. was it because he did not want her following him period - their relationship does not seem to be solid - at least from preet's side. hopefully dj will not find out soon as it is she has enough enemies within the junejas - we do not want preet's name added to the list

* little thing: the daaijan lady acting stand-offish about praying at the mosque - she's prayed at the shiv mandir. nihaal's mom hurt. kulraj-di disturbed. all i can say is: new generation 2, old generation 0. (carrying on from yesterday's bt,lt) i wonder why they showed her character to be so - is she going to cause problems for heer later? is anyone normal in this show besides preet? 😆😆

* little thing: a storm warning? okay, i had to burst out laughing. since when were there such early warning systems - so well organised! - in indian religious places? can you imagine the panic stampede that would happen??? maybe stampede will happen and there will be chaos and that will lead to drama - the warning system was just meant for the viewer to know - i think 😆😆😆

either i'm seriously out of touch with my home land, or some people's delusions are getting seriously overstretched! there really should be a limit to dramatisation! 😆😆😆

* pointless thing: veera - ya, ya, we know she has no qualms about acting jeuvenile anywhere. what was new here is that she thinks kulraj-di is so out of it. in one word, boring and takes up time from what is important which is...i liked what kulraj told her today - that she needs to focus on herself more than other people

* prem-heer behind a wire mesh: i nearly went up in blazes at the almost familiar sight of prem on one side of a wire mesh with heer on the other. yet another assault on my memories of the best prem-heer moments -- this is what i love the best of all! that scene was so beautiful - especially when their hands meet through the mesh - when prem lifted is hand at the beginning and end , i was hoping to see them touch heer's hands. guess that is one of the scenes we will remember the director gary for - as well as his overhead shots which he was famous for.

except! except - then it was all in the dark, dark room, dark clothes, dark shadows in eyes, deep soft voice from prem, deep silence from heer. here, it is all light! blue light of the night (!evil cameramen, shamelessly pulling memory strings to reduce minds to vacuous spaces!) white light clothes, eyes shining with love up-front and in your face, deep voice from prem, lilting voice from heer, both ringing with the total conviction of their love for each other. without any forewarning, my non-existent heart got full. every knot that was tied, every prayer for happiness - and togetherness! go prem! - was a pull i felt tightening whatever ties my heart to where it is now. and those last two knots for "our happiness, today and all that wait in the future" -- is there any limit to how sweet things can be in a conversation between heer and prem?? how can these two stuff all the conversations that they had to have with each other, about who they are, what they want from life, what their dreams are -- all of that! -- into one set of eight sentences?? how? conversations of the heart 🥰🥰🥰

they had me primed the moment i saw that wire-mesh. and then the arrow was shot. the aim was true - what else could it be? i was hauled in - what choice did i have?

if i weren't feeling so traumatised, i'd be applauding this show. every time - every single time - i think i know how high they can take it, they manage to surprise me. must say that they have portrayed this to be an intense love story and they have shown that intensity from day one. let us hope that when they say that it transcends all barriers it does and these two do not end up with other people even for part of their lives. there is no way that they would survive without each other. 🥰

as for what happened next, was there any question that the tears that were born of dark shadows of paranoia, would tremble and fall during this sequence? i'm never going to live this down. the only plus point is that the guys were beginning to whine and the girls were beginning to get irritated that they were distracting them from the prem-heer eye-lock. there was a fight brewing, and the only person who caught the tears was the one who is loony about prem. thank goodness for friends who quietly understand what it's all about.... thank goodness for eye conversations in real life. hopefully you will watch the episode on your own, by yourself. 😜

* big thing: i am .. fretting, deep down inside. and i'm nearly out of time, so i'll be quick.

heer prayed for breaching of the distance between old relationships, the healing of old links. she thinks that she will get prem and his bauji together. but what she will be granted is her old relationship with laluchacha. and with the force of prem's prayers with her, this wish will be granted. i thought of the same thing - he is praying for their relationship and she is praying for hers and his with lalluchacha - and lalluchacha has also prayed for a gift - and i fear that the prayers that will be answered will be the healing of relations with lalluchacha and not premeer. that left a hole in my heart.

isn't it nice though that if this relationship does get healed, the prem-bauji relationship will also naturally heal? at least it should! unless laluchacha is going to be stoooooopidly stubborn about prem not having done as he wished! if he does this, i'm changing his name to old-goat! (i've good reasons to besmirch that animal's name, melissa, don't get me started!) i hope though that in the process dj's curse does not come true - it cannot - from such an evil person

but - i still wish she'd asked for prem-bauji to be together rather than the ambiguous "heal old relationships". me too - how i wish one of her prayers was about them. but then again prem prayed for both of them so hopefully some of his prayers will be answered. Ouch my dark shadows wish it were so. just as my dark shadows wish that prem was not so perfect. that his soul was not so white. that ...

i can't hate prem today. i can't. i'm ... my heart .. is too full. and i confess, i'm not looking forward to tomorrow. can i pray that i die before tomorrow? is there a divine entity out there who actually grants wishes? we cannot let that happen. 😆😆😆 we want you back here tomorrow. 😆😆😆 from the sounds of it watching the episode with 'intoelerant boys' has not had any influence on you. 😆😆😆 on a more sober note, just remember that it is a character that you love are in love with - and not the person. 😆😆😆

no highlights today, people. i can't. i wish you all tonnes of fun and joy. till tomorrow then?

Originally posted by: estee

Great estee... it was always a joy to read ur little things and big things bcoz it is all esteee's things

* little thing: liked meher going with prem to wash-face-hands. they seem to be wash-face-hands pals. 😆

* big thing: ooh, big intrigue. nihaal's mom recognising heer's chain... oooooh... well, um. if the balaji telefilms people want us to get excited about these little red herrings, they should stop throwing new characters in the show like grain for the pigeons! we've been linking nihaal into the maan family on far flimsier evidence! 😆.... i think the cretives will use the character which can they use at that point and move the story forward.... they won't have a logic at all... other characters will be easily forgotten


* little thing: preet doesn't like ashlesha! he looked very affronted at her followinghim into the praying place! this little scene also shows how no matter now new-age preet is, there are some old-age sensibilities that tie him to his pb's type of person. sweet.

yes i was little happy that preet has some basic sensibilities in him.... i hope once he also find his true love as his pb he will be so good....



* prem-heer behind a wire mesh: i nearly went up in blazes at the almost familiar sight of prem on one side of a wire mesh with heer on the other. yet another assault on my memories of the best prem-heer moments -- this is what i love the best of all!

except! except - then it was all in the dark, dark room, dark clothes, dark shadows in eyes, deep soft voice from prem, deep silence from heer. here, it is all light! blue light of the night (!evil cameramen, shamelessly pulling memory strings to reduce minds to vacuous spaces!) white light clothes, eyes shining with love up-front and in your face, deep voice from prem, lilting voice from heer, both ringing with the total conviction of their love for each other.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻(you put the words which i was thinking all the time after the episode) without any forewarning, my non-existent heart got full. every knot that was tied, every prayer for happiness - and togetherness! go prem! - was a pull i felt tightening whatever ties my heart to where it is now. and those last two knots for "our happiness, today and all that wait in the future" -- is there any limit to how sweet things can be in a conversation between heer and prem?? how can these two stuff all the conversations that they had to have with each other, about who they are, what they want from life, what their dreams are -- all of that! -- into one set of eight sentences?? how?

even i'm wondering how can they be so perfect......


heer prayed for breaching of the distance between old relationships, the healing of old links. she thinks that she will get prem and his bauji together. but what she will be granted is her old relationship with laluchacha. and with the force of prem's prayers with her, this wish will be granted.

only thing the creatives are little clear is the way the make the dialogues so that they give scope for heer to be there with juneja's so her wish will be granted



no highlights today, people. i can't. i wish you all tonnes of fun and joy. till tomorrow then?

No i have a highlight.... Prem and heer tyimg the know with deep voices and with full o f love...

Originally posted by: estee

real statutory warning this is a horrid bt,lt. think twice before reading this - 'cause i'm fretting. wrong place and time to fret 'cause the gang are not the tolerant sort. there was enough food to keep them occupied while we watched the show. but much whining started with our dissecting the show. girls-under-the-prem-influence and intolerant boys just don't get along! i've been given an hour to "get it out of your system, before we do it by sitting on you". so here i am. and i have dark shadows in my mind.

* big thing? little thing? stooooopid estee thing? (You forgot to add the rest of the o's, I added them for you 😀: flashbacks! flashbacks galore. and they are all of some of my most beloved prem moments. the start of the jail sequence. prem begging before gayatri-mom. prem wet in a blue shirt cuddling heer for all to see. and suddenly i got paranoid? why only those of what i consider some of the best prem scenes? is it just a coincidence? is there a darker reason? have i truly lost it? 😆 No you haven't lost it. But your right, the whole episode was like a whole flashback.. Even in the awesome Premeer scene they had to get the flashbacks. Even though I liked those flashbacks.

and the sight of prem at the window, rocking ever-so-slightly as if in a train, wasn't enough to lighten the shadow that was born. Was he crying there? I thought I say him get a little teary eyed.

(i want to know: were the shots of a moving train? couldn't have been an actual moving train. did anyone else notice that hc, dqazi, nihaal's actor were actually shaking as if in a moving train? that was rather amazing.) Hmm... maybe they used a real train? Who knows, if they can make Prem and Heer feel like real characters, then whats a train?

* little thing: liked meher going with prem to wash-face-hands. they seem to be wash-face-hands pals. 😆
Pals seem's to distant, buddies is better... 😆 I was wondering why Meher didn't go and get the chaadar, and Premeer he go together to wash there face-hands... 🥰

* big thing: ooh, big intrigue. nihaal's mom recognising heer's chain... oooooh... well, um. if the balaji telefilms people want us to get excited about these little red herrings, they should stop throwing new characters in the show like grain for the pigeons! we've been linking nihaal into the maan family on far flimsier evidence! 😆 Forget her recognizing the chain, you remember what she said to heer? "Main Allah se dua karoongi ke mere zariye woh tumhara haq bhi tumhe de dein"... That means this woman is going to die, and Heers going to get her haw. Now which haq she's gonna get, I don't know. But I hope its her identity haq 😀

* big thing: a conversation between heer and prem!!!! Lol yea, the first realy convo between them without all the lectures...! do you realise this is one of the first general, part-of-life kind of conversations these two have ever had? and what was it like? it was boring. anyone sitting outside of the hallowed circle of our forum would look at the two and ask: are you sure these are not people who have been together for a 100 years and have become fossils? who talks like this, damnit?? (considering i had a bunch of six macho dudes stuffing their faces around me, i'm not kidding about this!) Lol its weird how it isn't boring when they talk with there eyes.

the absurd thing is - i struggled with tears seeing prem-heer here. this is how they are. quiet, boring. and will burn with conviction when the occassion demands. i wanted to hug them and apologise to them. tell them "see. this is how it is done. this is how it ought to be. i'm so desperately sorry that you've had to go through such hell. i wish that you could be this boring and quiet and peaceful for the rest of your life."

and the feeling continued through their little prayers. heer praying for old relationships to heal. Doesn't Heer have an old relationship with Prem? I hope that relationship heals... Even though I don't know how much healing it needs... prem - sigh, prem! - praying for whatever heer wants. after spending all of yesterday saying that prem is perfect, he goes ahead and use yet another wayto show he is. that's his thing. then why do i wonder why he has to be this perfect? i hate prem, damnit. If only there were more guys like him... *sigh*

why, why, why did they have to show this episode today. why when i don't have the space and time to cry? Awww... You cried?

* prem-heer thing: of course, the absurdly cute thing is that heer gazes upon prem praying (with that prem glow on his face). and when he is done, he returns the favour. seriously, when the priest started lifting his hand, i thought he was going to say "okay, you two, you're done - move it and gaze at each other somewhere else. other's need to pray here!" 😆 Lol I was thinking the same. It was like he was trying to break them up. But what I was thinking was... where's Meher?

* enraging thing: and then they show laluchacha praying for a "gift for himself". is there a limit to how selfish this character can get??? in comparison to prem's little prayer, this one enraged me. why this episode today? I know right! I was like wow... what more do you want? But for some reason when he asked for something I remembered the first episode when Heer asked for something when she was a kid and she got that key. Is that key ever gonna show up again?

* little thing: preet doesn't like ashlesha! he looked very affronted at her following him into the praying place! this little scene also shows how no matter now new-age preet is, there are some old-age sensibilities that tie him to his pb's type of person. sweet. Lol yea, he did look annoyed. And I hears some sarcasm when he said 'you can hold me'... Lol, why doesn't Ash get it?

* little thing: the daaijan lady acting stand-offish about praying at the mosque - she's prayed at the shiv mandir. nihaal's mom hurt. kulraj-di disturbed. all i can say is: new generation 2, old generation 0. (carrying on from yesterday's bt,lt) Go new generation!! *party emo*

* little thing: a storm warning? okay, i had to burst out laughing. since when were there such early warning systems - so well organised! - in indian religious places? can you imagine the panic stampede that would happen??? I know that was king of freaky. If there was a storm coming up how did the radio still have its signal?

either i'm seriously out of touch with my home land, or some people's delusions are getting seriously overstretched! there really should be a limit to dramatisation! 😆😆😆 Maybe thats why they call it a drama 😆😆😆

* pointless thing: veera - ya, ya, we know she has no qualms about acting jeuvenile anywhere. what was new here is that she thinks kulraj-di is so out of it. in one word, boring and takes up time from what is important which is... When she said that Kulraaj was starting with her lecture, I gave out a giggle. Because wherever Veera is she always starts on with her 'look at those two'... and blah blah blah.

* prem-heer behind a wire mesh: i nearly went up in blazes at the almost familiar sight of prem on one side of a wire mesh with heer on the other. yet another assault on my memories of the best prem-heer moments -- this is what i love the best of all! Yup with the magical hand moment.

except! except - then it was all in the dark, dark room, dark clothes, dark shadows in eyes, deep soft voice from prem, deep silence from heer. here, it is all light! blue light of the night (!evil cameramen, shamelessly pulling memory strings to reduce minds to vacuous spaces!) white light clothes, eyes shining with love up-front and in your face, deep voice from prem, lilting voice from heer, both ringing with the total conviction of their love for each other. without any forewarning, my non-existent heart got full. every knot that was tied, every prayer for happiness - and togetherness! go prem! - was a pull i felt tightening whatever ties my heart to where it is now. and those last two knots for "our happiness, today and all that wait in the future" -- is there any limit to how sweet things can be in a conversation between heer and prem?? how can these two stuff all the conversations that they had to have with each other, about who they are, what they want from life, what their dreams are -- all of that! -- into one set of eight sentences?? how? Its Premeer... Prem with his loving look, and Heer with her desperate look. It was such a touching scene.

they had me primed the moment i saw that wire-mesh. and then the arrow was shot. the aim was true - what else could it be? i was hauled in - what choice did i have?

if i weren't feeling so traumatised, i'd be applauding this show. every time - every single time - i think i know how high they can take it, they manage to surprise me. Me too. Everytime I expect the worst, they give us the best.

as for what happened next, was there any question that the tears that were born of dark shadows of paranoia, would tremble and fall during this sequence? i'm never going to live this down. the only plus point is that the guys were beginning to whine and the girls were beginning to get irritated that they were distracting them from the prem-heer eye-lock. there was a fight brewing, and the only person who caught the tears was the one who is loony about prem. thank goodness for friends who quietly understand what it's all about.... thank goodness for eye conversations in real life.

* big thing: i am .. fretting, deep down inside. and i'm nearly out of time, so i'll be quick.

heer prayed for breaching of the distance between old relationships, the healing of old links. she thinks that she will get prem and his bauji together. but what she will be granted is her old relationship with laluchacha. and with the force of prem's prayers with her, this wish will be granted. OMG I was thinking the same thing!!!

isn't it nice though that if this relationship does get healed, the prem-bauji relationship will also naturally heal? at least it should! unless laluchacha is going to be stoooooopidly stubborn about prem not having done as he wished! if he does this, i'm changing his name to old-goat! (i've good reasons to besmirch that animal's name, melissa, don't get me started!) No... Beauji wouldn't dare! Unless he wanted to be slaughtered

but - i still wish she'd asked for prem-bauji to be together rather than the ambiguous "heal old relationships". Ouch my dark shadows wish it were so. just as my dark shadows wish that prem was not so perfect. that his soul was not so white. that ...

i can't hate prem today. i can't. i'm ... my heart .. is too full. and i confess, i'm not looking forward to tomorrow. can i pray that i die before tomorrow? is there a divine entity out there who actually grants wishes? I'm really looking forward to tomorrow. I can feel myself close to the truth!

no highlights today, people. i can't. i wish you all tonnes of fun and joy. till tomorrow then? Yup tomorow, can't wait for your next awesome issue... 😀

Originally posted by: jasw

fretting, ...traumatised ..dark shadow?? What's up??

Originally posted by: vibha_23

now what about lallu holding that dupatta though????what was that about E???

Originally posted by: vibha_23

yes tell me about it E, who talks like that???????????? i was thinking that maybe something funny or even cute........i understand its a religious place so romance would be limited but never mind atleast we got to see prem and heer and prem not crying

Originally posted by: vibha_23

you should read what i wrote about this "PRAYER" in my post.....................he is a selfish old man....................i wont write much coz ihave written all about it but do read it and let mek now what you think?

Originally posted by: vibha_23

atleast heer didnt say about leaving prem.....i know she is planning on giving him away.....i still laugh thinking about that but i hope your logic is right

Originally posted by: vibha_23

dont you think thursday usually are bad????i have nothing for today's show but what do you reckon?????there is a divinity and i think our prayers finally are answered and prem didnt cry but do you think we should hope for more???

Originally posted by: estee

the only red dupatta i remember from the show is from the very first episode.

there was a girl who ran away with her lover on the day of her wedding. the girl and her lover met in a shack where little girl heer was hiding, bored because her parents had gone for the girl's wedding. heer found a little key that helped the girl and her lover escape from the shack - they had set afire to escape from her parents, and escape from the side door which little girl heer's key opened.

the girl had given her wedding dupatta to heer and told her to give it to her parents.

when little girl heer went out to the girl's parents, she handed over the dupatta to ... laluchacha! i guess he had kept it all along? i don't know who the girl who escaped with her lover was to laluchacha. i don't know why he has kept it all along? but i figure he has kept what heer gave him as something that he had meant to give to heer when she was old enough to get married to prem?

and now apparently, he is content to live with that dupatta as the only momento he will keep of his relationship with his dear old friend maan and how he had meant to keep his promise but couldn't because of his son. it's supposed to remain with him as the sign of his failure in life.

seriously focussed on the wrong things in life is old mr. juneja...

Ahaaaaaa so why was he carrying around and smelling it like it had some nice perfume in it????anyway the less said about lallu the better..........i love how you analyse everything and it makes perfect sense....so now you think he is planning to give that dirty old dupatta to heer????argggggg so many many raaz's..........cant we get one done please and then bring another??????????btw E, even i have a raaz and i ll reveal it soon...hehehehehe


vibha! prem-heer talk like that! remember, they are old silent-movie actors teletransported! they will always speak like this! i don't think i can imagine them speaking like preet does. they are such ancient characters, stuck in a new world. poor prem, poor heer. i felt so horribly protective of them today.

but a thought now: don't you think they should just stick with eye-conversations, and we can plug in words for them?? 😆

I liked the eye convo too but i prefer them talking...........atleast they express their thoughts....with eye convo you are great at interpreting i am hopeless....and i think weird thoguhts so i love when they talk but they need to talk like new souls and not old souls

will do. just got back to the forum -- totally on the sly! 'cause the gang are still here and will not appreciate spending time on a tv-show!! 😆 -- feeling sorry for having put up such a horrible bt,lt.

I know what you mean..living at home my brother used to irritate me when i was using comp in MY room so now i am at peace....no tension....when i see his calls i dont pick up and type away....

too right, heer didn't talk about leaving prem. that was such a relief!!! he was being so calm, and peaceful, and content and ... argh! perfect. i wouldn't have borne it if she had included a prayer for the strength to walk away from him.

if there was no one around, i'd have rapidly adopted a religion, fallen to my knees and given thanks to some diety. as it was, i didn't have that choice... 😆

Me too,3 and 4........i mean i can see heer's pov but prem was mindblowing...see i have always said i dont like crying prem and maybe heer thinks like me so she decided that but now that he is back to normal maybe she wont give him away?????

I know even i was thinking the same...adopt a religion and start praying......i am not that religious so i dont know how the whole thing works but it looked cool on tv


i think having content-prem ('cause he has heer and that's really what he wants) is all i want. forever, of course. which i don't think we'll get. seriously? i don't care if hell breaks in the show and disasters happen and we get 19.5 out of 20 minutes of non-prem-heer tomorrow. at the end of today, all i want to have is

prem and heer forever.
'cause prem and heer are one.

if i could get a guarantee on this, i'd sleep happy. but there are no guarantees other than what has already happy.

so i'm really hoping to die before tomorrow's show so that i don't need to know anything other than today's show.

i have lost it!!!! mummmy!!! drat! here come the gang! taaaa

Same here i want prem and heer to be one..........dont care if they show them or not....if they are married or not....i want to be together coz they are one..............i dont want cliffhanger show where everyone wonders what now??????but for thursday???i dont have much hope from past expriences.....

Have fun with the gang and do let me know what you think of my post E.....ciao