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Posted: 17 years ago
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I think it is really very stupid and baseless of both Shitij and Kalika to plan a revenge that is gonna give them nothing . They have everything that they wanted already on a platter . Family , wealth , high position , recognition in the family ....all they got . Now what revenge r they planning , and for what ???

Narpat saved kalika's life and shama was brot by Ambika to the mandap . What else , in the name of honour does kalika want ? The recognition that she wanted ....she got in a jiffy coz of Saloni who bore so many insults for her . I think even a stone wud have melted with these three incidents .

Stupid Shitij got his father's trust , the position of CEO . love of his bhabisas , all rights in company ....everything . NOw wat revenge is he taking ? What remains ?

What is this barbaadi barbaadi they keep talking about like parrots ? Do they have any idea of wat that exactly is ? Kalika puports to be the more intelligent of the two ....doesnt her lawyer brain wonder ki arre everything i got already now wat this useless revenge is gonna achieve ? Narpat is out on the streets and I am in ! What better revenge ? Time has already taken its revenge on poor Narpat ! AS far as the wealth and relations go ....all r under my thumb ! Cant she figure this simple thing out ?

Personally I feel , both Shitij and Kalika need a psychiatrist and therapy ....Shitij for his drinking problem and she for sum vague idea of barbaadi that she has harboured for so long that she has lost touch with what it exactly means .

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Posted: 17 years ago
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I would have to say I disagree with you.

Do you think with all the money in world and respectability that Kalika would forget what her mother and her had to go through?

Her mental-ill mother is a living reminder of what she has to go through. Looking at Saloni and her family what does she see - a Family - Saloni had mother and father - a loving husband, respectability - things she could only have dreamt about.

In her derange mind they need to suffer.

So Narpat saved her does that remove everything. No.

Saloni brought her to that house what did she get day-in day-out hatred. Saloni called her Didi to her that's words. The only relationship she knows is hatred she never had a mother or father. Gaj every-day reminds her what Narpat did to her mother. She was brought up to hate everything that Narpat stood for.


KJT is easy to read he's weak. A mature individual would have decide that I was to blame for my failures. KJT blames Nahar and Brijesh for taking away his father love. And he believes that Kakasa loves Nahar and Brijesh more than him.

The one good act was the tape- don't forget everything he has done so far has been an illusion. He had the police take away Mr. Bannerjee to jail was not good.

What he wants is Kakisa to hate Nahar and Brijesh. That's his goal.

If you remember Kakisa is very affectionate to the brothers. I remember during the argument Kakasa had with KJT he said that they not even in the country and his father always put them in front of him. Does years of hatred go away as easy as that. Again No.

This is what KJT and Kalika finds funny that the family thinks love with make everything go away as easy as that.

To be honest the one act of Kalika that is out of charater is her saving Ambika.....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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judyp

I am not saying that Kalika and Shitij shud forget in one day everything....years and years of their personal emotional pain .

I am only saying ....ok , they have this pain. Then right at the outset Kalika shud say to Saloni ....get lost ! { like she did earlier .] Right when Narpat saved her ....and Saloni started her bhashan on rishtey ....she shud say sorry i dont buy it ....so wat if he saved me , still my anger isnt going , he'll have to work more towards it . My mom is a basketcase in a hospital . So sorry Saloni....my world isnt as perfect as urs . And my emotions dont come and go like urs .

And Shitij shud too be openly hostile to the brothers if he has that much animosity .

What is this sneaky kind of revenge gonna accomplish ? U urself used a word in this post ....' deranged" . And thats exactly wat i said ....they need therapy and treatment coz they r trying to deal with years and years of pain by destroying how many people's life ?
Brijesh tara , Saloni Nahar , Kakasa may get heart attack , full of Salonis family.....how nmany people have to become barbaad for just two people ?

Why so much pampering of their pain ? There r people who r with far worse problems in the world yet they dont wish others evil . At least Kalika is a lawyer has education and is known for never losing case and Shitij had a States education and life .

Look at Ginni the prostitute . Look at the life she led....she even gave up Nikita so she cud have better life . How much anger against the world shud she be harbouring....wat has the world given her ? And Kaveri openly tricked her ! If she wanted she cud have ousted Kaveri from house and extracted lots of material benefits for herself . But she had her feet on her ground ....accepted her fate and did wat best she cud do .

Ultimately judy p ...its about each ones fate . Each one has his own fate ....some r luckier sum r not . But that doesnt mean that coz of ones misfortunes one is justified to destroy lives of so many unsuspecting people in this dirty underhanded way .

Saloni got estranged from her mom during her pregnancy for Kalika ....this is not sumthing less . Narpat taking a knife or bullet isnt less . Still if the anger persists ok .....talk about it and dont compromise .

But dont hurt so many people .....no way .
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Posted: 17 years ago
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i agree that's true it is only a way of prolonging the show its useless.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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To me there are two types of evil individuals the overt and the covert. I have always preferred the overt at least you know they hate you openly. The covert to me are back-stabbers, hiding behind this front. Kakisa and Kaveri has always been the covert. Jiji was overt. So I agree with you that if the two individuals have such hostility they should be openly hostile but where's the fun and humiliation in that for them. The covert takes pleasure in your humiliation – remember the scene with Kakisa making the deal with Jiji behind Tara's back while comforting Tara about the lost of her child. How disgusting?

Its worst to find out that some-one you have trusted has betrayed you – that's what makes what Kalika and KJT are doing so disgusted. That's why KJT is enjoying himself so much. He's relishing the fact that he's outsmarting Nahar and Brijesh. In fact a lot of people have said they are such idiots for trusting him so much. I disagree with calling them idiots I like the fact they have shown such love and acceptance to him. They have done everything morally right – which makes his hostility towards them misplaced. He was given everything and he lost it all and he has to blame some-one. There are lots of children in the world who blame their parents for their failing. That's human nature. To accept what faith has dealt you takes strength of character which KJT does not have. Ginni despite her circumstances had strength of character to make that decision but remember initially she sold her child to Kaveri.

If we look at that Kalika character I agree she should have been very upfront about her hostility. A legal mind that was fighting for the injustice of others should have had more strength of characters. Maybe I am wrong but I am rationising here I think there was a point where she was willing to give the family a chance but she was faced with such hostility that she flipped her lid… I agree ultimately she's is going to hurt a lot of innocent people and by extension herself. I found the SP writers by having the family accept her before her marriage an interesting development because it made Kalika reasons for revenge no longer justified but maybe she had already made a bargain with the devil (KJT)

I don't believe they are justified in their angry I believe characters are shaped out of circumstances. Tell me under what circumstance would have made KJT a good character.
He was an alcoholic, involved with drug-dealers, father kicked him out of the house. Mother is an ex-convict. Cousins adored by his family.

Look at Saloni always being self-sacrificing because she don't think she deserve unconditional love and that's a result of Ambika and family treating her like a second-class citizen. She always saying she doesn't understand what she did to deserve Nahar.

Don't get me wrong I don't believe they are justified in what they are doing. I am just saying there are individuals out their who have been given everything love etc. but can't see beyond their selfishness as well as they are cowards - KJT.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Yes exactly judy p.

Shitij had kakasa and his mom.... Kalika , though suffering trauma , had Gaj to love her , support her and stand staunchly by her side . Ginni had none . She sold her body to earn two meals every day ....yes , initially she sold her child but it was coz the child was gonna be sold on the kotha anyways .
But when she encountered a family and love she had second thoughts . She gauged the situation , did not waste time in being bitter with life and did not punish innocents for her fate .

Yes , Samar , Ambika were initially hostile to her but that can hardly be an excuse for flipping . It was only natural . U can hardly expect them to gush over her or tolerate her ....Saloni gave them absolutely no time and just plonked Kalika on them . Eventually they came around right ? They too r not perfect people ....but not bad people either !

And frankly speaking , Narpat's family owes her nothing . Narpat , yes , but Narpat alone . The rest of the family r not really obliged to accept her as family . Deciding to destroy them is ridiculous and deranged .

Also , there has to be a practical motivation in even revenge . If she wanted Narpat out on streets .....well , there he is out on the streets . If she wanted his family divided ....well all were quarelling with each other . What her mom went thru ...Ambika is unecessarily going thru rite now at this age .....no husband . besides that ....tremendous badnaami and gossip in society .

She got wealth , status , acceptance ....all . What one wud plan on snatching with revenge ....like jiji had planned.....a husband , his wealth , status , child ....this all kalika got on platter and so did Shitij . So now point of revenge has already gone ....what remains are sadistic tendencies and glorifying ones personal grief .
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Agree with you kalika needs to see that what saloni went through for her and the fact that her step mum is accepting her also shes not once tried to find out why her dad left instead keeps automatically blaming him...yes can understand her hatred because of her mum but whats revenge going to acheive after this long narpats already gone the one person who is responsible in a way.

As for kshitji he needs to get over his jealousy no reason for revenge especially since he was not exactly the best son in first place hes at fault...hes already got everything anyways that was his reason for revenge.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I do not agree with Gaj loved her – I remember the scene with Gaj and Kalika outside the court room. Kalika never touched his feet or hugged him. Only now we see hugs at the wedding. I think she was brought by him because she was Shyma's child but she was also an illegitimate child – link to a heartless man who dumped Shyma. If he loved her so much she wouldn't have been such an issue with his wife. He brought her up with hatred. I cannot imagine how she would have felt at an early age when he told her about her history.

Remember the scene with Narpat at the kitchen where she was trying to do everything herself. She hated any affection – he was a stranger and old man calling her child and she basically told him off. She should have been accustomed to that if Gaj showed her affection.

I have always thought that Kalika would have been better off alone than being raised by Gaj. I am sure she was brought up to be an instrument of revenge by Gaj. Even working as a lawyer she would have seen day-in-day out cases that reinforce her hatred for men. Even some of those cases the men may not have been at fault. Kalika would not see this.

I have always believed that Samar, Shubdra and Ambika anger was justified. But time usually heals wounds and pain becomes bearable with time. Saloni gave them no time before Kalika was thrust at them. However, Saloni got punished for her action – all the anger her family vented or her, she deserved. True, they not perfect but who is. Yes, saloni is not perfect despite popular belief. That's why everybody is usually mad at her. Her decision to dump Nahar for Brijesh's child. She paid for that as well. Though her actions were for a noble cause it did not come without sacrifices.
Yes her actions to destroy the family are deranged but watch at the world why does some one kidnap a man family when he was the one to do the crime. It's because that's the way to hurt some-one. Hurt loved ones is the cruelest way to punish any-one because now they will be on the person's conscious. I totally agree with you Shyma issue and Kalika has nothing to do with Saloni, Shubdra, Samar and Ambika. Has Kalika got any personal satisfaction from Narpat demise? No she has not.

I agree with you I don't know what would satisfy Kalika – the only thing to me is although the family is suffering no one has said bad words about Narpat. Saloni always praises her father – when she went to Kalika's office she defended her father. Samar pretends his father is dead. Ambika though going through a bad time pretends Narpat dees not exist. The contrast to Saloni and Shubdra's in-laws is also very noticeable. Brijesh and family is not thrashing Narpat or treating Saloni like dirt although her father is disgusting. The family has Saloni on a pedestal. The love and affection the family shows Saloni is fantastic. So, to Kalika how has Narpat defection hurt Saloni. The family was only divided because Saloni brought Kalika into the family. The only hostility we saw towards what Narpat did was where Padma treated Shubdra bad.

This is where I find Narpat actions disappointing after he saved Kalika's life the writers should have made him face Kalika. Again they reinforce our belief that he's a coward that runs away (when he dumps Shyma). In fact his actions of leaving Ambika and family to deal with the fall out of his actions were not justified.

Do you remember the girl that was begging on the street despite all that she is going through she is not overcome with hatred.

She blessed Nahar and Saloni after they drove off - she and Ginni is similar in nature. They have not let their circumstances override right and wrong. Or blamed everyone for their lot in life.



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Posted: 17 years ago
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yes ...ginni and the girl who begged ....both had accepted their lot in life and did not harbour bitterness towards people who didnt deserve it .

when i said Gaj ' loved ' her ....i meant it more in a practical sense . I meant ....she had someone who was her guardian and supplied her needs . Someone who saw she was admitted in a school , that her mother was in a hospital , not on streets , someone who saw she was clothed and fed and had roof on her head and she was not subjected to child rape or other torture . Gaj jeopardised his own marraige but didnt leave them ....that is much much more than wat children like Ginni or that beggar girl get .

Shitij was spoilt , drank , and never really tried to find out wat his father really desired in him as a son . Actually if u see , Kakasa's expectations were rather simple . He only wanted a son who worked hard , didnt drink , fulfilled his responsibilities....normal expectations . The moment Shitij pretended to fulfil these expectations he came around . I felt sorry for the old man . What Shitij wants is that he shud hate brij and Nahar . This expectation of Shitij is totally wrong .....Brijesh and Nahar are loved so much by the old man as he has confidence that they too return that love with equal measure . Look at the Jiji incident. How they kept quiet when Kakasa was making wrong decisions under jiji's influence . How much loss they bore coz of kakasa ....but not once they opened their mouth only coz kakasa was heart patient and may die . In fact kakasa commented on it to Jiji in the end .

All this stupid Shitij doesn't see and hates baselessly when Brijesh accomodated him and gave him everything without a question . I hope both of them are slapped in public .

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Interesting observations in this thread abt Kalika, Kshitij and Ginni...
I feel Kalika is a big Idiot, she does not have priorities set right in her life.. I feel she is very jealous of Saloni because she had the perfect childhood(although not.. with her own mother taunting her for being dark), has loving inlaws and a loving husband.
She does not realise the contract marriage can do more harm to her than anyone else in the family.So Inorder to destroy her sis's happiness she is willing to put herself in fire.Kalika needs to visit a psychiatrist, to calm her emotionally. I seriously dont know what this woman wants, she got love of step bro's and sis's, step-mom, and even her mom out of Mental Asylum. Yet she had to marry Kshitij to destroy Saloni? Saloni, who supported her despite facing hatredness from her bro, sis, mother while doing so.. which even she saw. Saloni who had to be admitted to the hospital due to stress, because of her.
Kshitij .. he has a misplaced identity. He is confused, angry man with pent up emotions filled in his heart and mind. So how can he even fall in love with another woman?
I feel these two people, who in trying to ruin others, will destroy their own lives..

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