Swara Bhaskar's insensitive remarks on Jauhar scene from Padmavat- Page 14

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

Poor thing was forced to say quite a few things against her will about Islam

Now sgow some mercy n let her go and talk shiit n on hindus and indian democracy in peace...btw that's her comfort zone of you dont know by now

Bibi badi frustrate ho chuki hai and begging for a way out since yesterday but some people keep bagging her back on halala and islam..she was even forced to take her words back on halala being a spiritual philosophy. Noone even apprecisted her entire essays preaching halala for women empowerment and uplift mental in this regressive forum and then they want her to talk about Islam..

Plz go read it and understand it properly before you question her more on her islam...

And pls I request you to not ask her why mohammad married a 6 yr old....

Obviously because he wasn't a misogynist as some people like to portray....Allah must have told him personally to take care of her just like how allah told him to marry his own daughter in law.. if he was a misogynist he wouldn't be taking care of underprivileged women like these...

I only answered pn her behalf because I know sooner or later this question would've popped up when the discussing about her religion in such details...and I wanted to give her a break from it...

Although i am sure she can herself answer in detail since she is a staunch supporter of Islam and Islamic laws herself and she is free to do so if she wants...

Her words definitely appear the way you have described. She still refuses to answer my questions.

For all the long essays she still doesn't get why the women committted jauhar vs chosing to continue the life they had.

Originally posted by: D3VilsDex

I want to double check on this essay by you. Are you implying Quran is therefore not word of god as no god would create such laws for humanity or that allah is no God or both ?

Do you concur it has led to practices that should be number 1 priority for humanity to eliminate that you declare yourself in strong support of ?

Sorry... it seems that I only answered your first question to your satisfaction... the answer to the second actually should be clear as you very well know that - around the world - atrocious acts against humanity had been done in the name of Islam.

conclusion: How would I ever be in favour of a religion that - from the very beginning - was also using socio-political laws and isn't only a spiritual belief system. How could I not condemn the way this religion treats a huge part of his adherers.

As for your last remark in your other post: Aren't you free to believe what you want? The other new member will be happy as instigating against me obviously was the purpose of making a MID/coming back - at least looking at all the posts where I'm the main subject

Yes, it's right, I far too often tend to right long texts... so, it may very well be that - as a "Beginner" you didn't read all my texts, so I'll quote what I wrote about my opinion what Jauhar meant at the time when it was done:

Originally posted by: Clochette

... As for Jauhar, by medieval standards, it was a tragic but rational choice in the face of inevitable enslavement and wartime sexual violence. In my opinion, then, Jauhar was not seen as an act of submission or victimhood, but as a severe form of active resistance. It was a way to deny the invading army the ultimate "spoils of war" and trophies of victory. Generally, it occurred in tandem with Saka, where the men put on saffron robes and rode into a final, suicidal battle. Together, Jauhar and Saka represented a community choosing total annihilation over surrender....

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

When talking of hindus, their society, culture, religion, country and internal politics this clochette passes blanket judgements....no ifs no buts...

For ex...when she says there is no functioning democracy in india or there is no free speech in India or...hindu patriarchy forced women to jump into the fire...she also insinuates and attributes all sorts of negative aspects to everything hindus and their country

But her tone suddenly changes when she is forced to say anything agaisnt islam...she becomes very guarded and defensive in her response...her essays are very standard and generalised..no judgements on islamic society , their regressive mindset or practices, nothing on the terrorism emanating from the barbaric ideology ..no condemnation of any sort whatsoever which she easily and so fluently writes agaisnt hindus even when the topic is on skme random bollywood celebrity.

See how she talks so positively about halala and mutah as spiritual philosophy, noble practices, and tools of empowerment but nothing on the suffering of women in current muslim society or how backward their thinking is wrt such practices and how it affects women in todays time....muhammad is a reformer without questioning about his decision pf marryimg a 6 ur old...great!!!.. all these n much more in contrast to how she claimed to be wanting to write so much about jauhar due to hindu patriarchy. ..

You could see how many times she excused herself out of the conversation regarding the mal practices in Islamic society....and even when she hesitantly speaks about it there is always an excuse or justification about those Islamic and ways n traditions...there is clearly emotional cord attached for the kind of respect she has for Islam and its people.

Also for someone like akbar whom che calls great especially after beimg told how he killed 30000 hindus in one go, killed another 13000 women, forced another 5000 women into his harem...

The love and defence for such barbarians barbarians can truly come from a true admirer of Islam.

I dont understand why is she ashamed to come out as who she actually is and still pretend to be white european on an anonymous forum. I dont think being a white european she gains more credibility for her anti india anti hindu stance. There are other pakistanis go all fun blazing against hindus and India routinely and they are doing just fine so what's the need to refer yourself "white" european....I get that you live in Germany hence would call yourself european...

Very silly I must say.

Well written... you are a geat instigator with this post... where did you learn to twist my writings so that they fit into your narrative... and you see, you even get applause...

Am I the only one you dislike so much that you have to spin stories, creating MIDs and/or new accounts, telling what I wrote in a private message... at least, to me, it seems that you came extra for me looking at the number of posts you concocted about me. Should I feel flattered about the attention you give to me

You will find believers... you already have believers... if one tells certain things a hundred of times, there will always be people who believe the lies ...

And you see, you can do it even without any consequence so far, so others may think that there is 'truth' in your words... well, I think you may feel very happy...

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

... As per my research clochette was your first and original attempt and then you also tried changing humanity with your another id hereiamtoo if I am not mistaken...but somehow it didnt work so you discontinued your efforts from some of your multiple accounts...doesnt mean you haven't been trying different methods to bring about the change as per your liking...

When it comes to my person, you are mistaken in almost every way... I only comment on that remark because you aren't completely mistaken.

In the past (long ago), after having only read for a long time in the forum, I entered it first with the hereiamtoo id (which I already told once)... but then I logged out (lack of time) for a period so long that I didn't register with my first account when wanting to engage again in writing. I chose Clochette. Contrary to you, I don't need MIDs or more accounts, I'm fine with Clochette only

Originally posted by: Clochette

Sorry... it seems that I only answered your first question to your satisfaction... the answer to the second actually should be clear as you very well know that - around the world - atrocious acts against humanity had been done in the name of Islam.

conclusion: How would I ever be in favour of a religion that - from the very beginning - was also using socio-political laws and isn't only a spiritual belief system. How could I not condemn the way this religion treats a huge part of his adherers.

As for your last remark in your other post: Aren't you free to believe what you want? The other new member will be happy as instigating against me obviously was the purpose of making a MID/coming back - at least looking at all the posts where I'm the main subject

you still didn't answer except they claim to follow these practices claiming it's word of god and hence my question as you keep converting their gospel as socio political write up that they follow even now.

Also my previous post was about you asking me to go elsewhere when you keep writing essays.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Yes, it's right, I far too often tend to right long texts... so, it may very well be that - as a "Beginner" you didn't read all my texts, so I'll quote what I wrote about my opinion what Jauhar meant at the time when it was done:

The part that I disagree with you and some others is that it glorified their act escaping not just their present circumstances but also the future of their children. This is not romanticized. This is the ugly reality to end their cycle as they did not have an alternate path

Blaming death by fire at the hands of their own community or brutal enslavement by the enemy... for the women doing Jauhar 🤷

https://x.com/BattaKashmiri/status/2096258016043835894

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/168041052

But as usual it's i who's spinning narratives 🤷

Originally posted by: Ranbhoomi

You are a pathological liar, clochette...have some shame!!

You didnt enter first with Hereiamtoo..it was the second one after your current id which you have been using right now...

When you have been using clochette from the very beginning why did you need to come up with another one???

Anyways it isn't like those are the only two you have ids you have made...like nobody is a saint here...if someone is caught with two id's...there has to be more than that...when you are into operating multiple accounts at the same time....2 ya 4 ...God know how many others you are operating...

But that's not the point here

Its you who has always taken moral high ground accusing others of creating fake new id's when infact its you who keep reporting those people whom you dont want in the forum and when they come back you a use them of being mids and get them banned everything...its a never ending cycle...you make faces everything a new id participates in the discussion and treat them beneath you as if having more posts than others somehow makes you superior

I only called out you for having multiple id's to bring out your nasty attitude...otherwise sanu ki!! I also know which other id you are operating other than these two but I keep my mouth shut for now

I was just looking at the image that some other user posted about Clochette. Did she say her god was not a misogynist and would be considered a reformer ?

aren't Gods supposed to be all knowing that would act in the interest of humanity regardless of the era they were "born" in ? Is it reform to marry a 6 year old but at the same time women choosing to end their life versus a lifetime of sexual slavery is a problem. Whose problem - The slavers or the victims ? In this age one would expect sympathy instead of taking the position to support the slavers. That is my issue. How can one support the slavers and not feel the women that ended their life as that was their only alternative of escape.