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Posted: 4 hours ago
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You know what, ganga heavily influenced raya that he is not able to function without her.thats why that final scene in ice ganga was crying seeing his present reality. I felt he put all the blame/responsibility on nadia for her unforgivable act. he didnt even think about her being a mother protecting her unborn kid and ganga herself told her to shoot. He put entire blame on nadia and escaped to face from reality. I thought he seriously took his sister word of ruling the world and went to macau. That aaradhya song very much holds true as he embarrasses pain more than the love which should be healing and forgiving.

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Posted: 4 hours ago
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When ticket confronts raya about taking adam alone instead of him, i cried for that scene. that scene is truly heartbreaking because Ticket acts as the voice of the audience, asking the exact questions we all want to ask. When he confronts Raya about being left behind for Adam, he isn't just an angry son-he represents Raya's own guilt and internal demons. Ticket is a brilliant character because he forces Raya to face his biggest flaw.. his coldness and emotional detachment. By making Raya look at the pain of his own abandonment, the scene strips away all the cool gangster drama and exposes a deeply broken father who has spent his entire life running away from his mistakes. and the final scene wherein raya embarassing ticket as well as his acceptance of his son cant express how emotional it was..

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Posted: 4 hours ago
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How Raya comes to a conclusion of his son name as ticket? I dont know how he arrived at that as Nadia told her son that his father would name him before her sacrifice

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Posted: 4 hours ago
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Yash was brilliant switching between ticket and raya. When he went to hospital to see his new born child., that might be starting point of his hallucination of ticket. When he holds his new born kid, he immediately see the window looking for younger ticket. His inner deeply buried guilt reminds him about his forgotten kid. Truly heart breaking.

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Posted: 3 hours ago
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And nadia comes to the conclusion that raya will never ever see her and took the final act of sacrifice. She should have atleast stayed for ticket. I felt Ganga is stronger in spirit here compared to nadia as she never would have abandoned ticket. When raya was supposed to return,nadia was asked to vacate Goa and literally took that to raya doesn't want to see her and took that decision i guess

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Posted: 3 hours ago
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Originally posted by: mahiwayyy

You know what, ganga heavily influenced raya that he is not able to function without her.thats why that final scene in ice ganga was crying seeing his present reality. I felt he put all the blame/responsibility on nadia for her unforgivable act. he didnt even think about her being a mother protecting her unborn kid and ganga herself told her to shoot. He put entire blame on nadia and escaped to face from reality. I thought he seriously took his sister word of ruling the world and went to macau. That aaradhya song very much holds true as he embarrasses pain more than the love which should be healing and forgiving.

You know this movie is sooo much psychologically layered that there can be multiple interpretations and nobody is right/wrong...

For me Raya's abandonment of Nadia is even more tragic, because his staying away is not really punishment...it is avoidance.

Somewhere, Raya knew Nadia was not truly responsible for Ganga's death. He knows the circumstances. He knows Elizabeth manipulated and coerced her. Hence he killed her ..He knew Nadia never would have killed Ganga willingly, especially after coming to respect the woman who had sacrificed almost everything for him.

But knowing that intellectually is very different from being emotionally capable of looking at Nadia.

Because Nadia had become inseparable from the memory of Ganga.

Every time Raya looked at Nadia, he didn't merely see the woman he loved. He saw the last moment of his sister's life.

And Raya could not bear that.

So he did something deeply human but devastatingly cruel... he removed the reminder instead of confronting the grief.

He didn't leave Nadia because he had stopped loving her.

He left because he loved her and could not survive what her presence made him remember.


The ugly truth was Raya was afraid of grieving.

Because if he went back to Nadia, he had to accept that Ganga is dead.

He had to remember that he failed to protect the woman who raised him.

He had to confront his own choices.

He had to acknowledge that his violent world consumed both women who loved him and whom he loved.

So he ran....as he had done in his entire life...

And the tragedy is that his absence became another form of violence against Nadia.

He thought distance would spare both of them.

Instead, Nadia spent years interpreting that distance as hatred.

And Raya spent years interpreting his inability to return as love expressed through sacrifice.

That is the terrible misunderstanding at the centre of them.

Nadia thinks:

"He hates me because I killed Ganga."

Raya thinks:

"I cannot return because Nadia will always remind me of Ganga."

Neither is actually saying what they feel.

And Nadia pays the greater price.

Because Raya gets to run.

Nadia has to stay.She has the pregnancy.She has the child.She has the memories.She has the guilt.She has the loneliness.

She cannot escape into another country or another identity. She has to wake up every morning and continue being a mother while believing the father of her child wants nothing to do with her.

And there is something particularly heartbreaking about Raya knowing, somewhere inside himself, that Nadia did not deserve this and still not going back.


He isn't cruel because he doesn't care.He is cruel because his grief is bigger than his capacity to face it...He was drowning in his grief to have any humane empathy

And perhaps years later, when he finally returns and discovers Nadia had anhilatd herself, there is a terrible realization waiting for him:

He thought he had been protecting himself from the memory of Ganga.

But he had actually been punishing Nadia for surviving it.

And by the time he understands that, the woman who had spent years waiting for him has already disappeared.

That makes their relationship so much more painful than a simple "star-crossed lovers" story.

Raya loved Nadia.Nadia loved Raya.

Neither stopped loving the other.

But Raya couldn't separate Nadia from the woman he had lost.

And Nadia couldn't separate Raya from the man she had spent her entire life waiting to come home.

So they remained connected by love and separated by grief.

Remember that scene when in confrontation between Raya and ticket... Ticket had said, " Nooo nooo not my mother..but you had killed Ganga...you killed Ganga and you killed my mother..you destroyed the life of every women who came into your life..."

Ticket at the end of the day is his guilt and his alternate self only....So it's Raya himself who believes it about himself....

Edited by asmitamohanty - 3 hours ago
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Posted: 3 hours ago
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Originally posted by: mahiwayyy

When ticket confronts raya about taking adam alone instead of him, i cried for that scene. that scene is truly heartbreaking because Ticket acts as the voice of the audience, asking the exact questions we all want to ask. When he confronts Raya about being left behind for Adam, he isn't just an angry son-he represents Raya's own guilt and internal demons. Ticket is a brilliant character because he forces Raya to face his biggest flaw.. his coldness and emotional detachment. By making Raya look at the pain of his own abandonment, the scene strips away all the cool gangster drama and exposes a deeply broken father who has spent his entire life running away from his mistakes. and the final scene wherein raya embarassing ticket as well as his acceptance of his son cant express how emotional it was..

Yeah...Ticket isn't merely an alter ego.He is Raya's guilt given a voice.

Every accusation Ticket makes is something Raya already believes about himself.

"You abandoned me.

You destroyed our family.

You killed Ganga and my mother..

You chose your empire.

You weren't there.

You failed me."

The terrifying thing is that Ticket doesn't have to invent Raya's crimes.Raya already knew them.

His mind simply refuses to let him forget.

So the adult Ticket who attacked Raya's empire is, psychologically, a representation of the little boy who died waiting for his father to save him.

And Raya spends years fighting him.

Which means, in a very painful sense , Raya spends years fighting the child he desperately wished he could have saved..

His son is the one loss Raya could never rationalize.

Because when the car went into the ocean, Raya actually tried to save Ticket.

But he failed.

And that failure destroys the psychological foundation of his existence.

Because Ganga died protecting him.Nadia died waiting for him.

And now his child died while he is supposed to be the person protecting the child.

That's when the mythology of Raya's invincibility really collapses.

He can defeat gangsters.He can survive assassination attempts.He can build an international criminal empire.

But he cannot save his little boy trapped inside a car who was looking for him to save him.

And perhaps his mind couldn't tolerate that truth.

So it created another one...

That Ticket survived.

Because if Ticket is alive, Raya hasn't completely failed.

If Ticket is alive, he can still find him.

If Ticket is alive, his son can still hate him...

My son hates me and is trying to take revenge on him was easier for him to accept than the reality..

Anything is easier than accepting:

"My son died because I couldn't save him."

Ahhh soooo tragic 💔💔💔


And I was continuously crying in the last 15 mins....and at the end...I was bowling...

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Posted: 2 hours ago
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Originally posted by: mahiwayyy

Yash was brilliant switching between ticket and raya. When he went to hospital to see his new born child., that might be starting point of his hallucination of ticket. When he holds his new born kid, he immediately see the window looking for younger ticket. His inner deeply buried guilt reminds him about his forgotten kid. Truly heart breaking.

Also remember that scene...

When Raya and Ticket confrontation was taking place Raya told Ticket, " Your mother has poisoned your heart against me...." And Ticket laughed at Raya and denied it....

It took me back to that fateful night when after the circus blast ,Raya and child Ticket were inside the car...And Ticket talked to Raya...He did not ask him any questions about his absence,did not accuse him or scream on him...He actually talked to him with such fondness.. saying "Mom told me this about you, ..that about you,she told me you saw her in rain etc etc"...And Raya was getting breathless and screaming on child Ticket to shut up....That scene made so much sense...

He would have been OK if Nadia had slapped him that day,screamed on him , abused him,hated him but no....she simply chose to anhilate herself even before him seeing her...

He would have been OK if Ticket had questioned him for his absence,abused him,hated him or simply told him that "Mom told me how bad you were"...But he realised that Nadia actually had kept his son connected to him in his absence...When he was drowning in his grief and guilt and being emotionally violent towards Nadia, she was preserving his bond with his son with good memories....
That was unbearable for him...

Their later confrontation as Raya vs Adult Ticket i e his own alter ego....told me that years ago he was actually expecting Nadia to poison his son's heart for him,he would have accepted that...not what the reality was...His inability to accept the reality destroyed everything actually...

Hence Raya created this illusion of

"My son survived and hates me."

The truth is:"My son loved me and died needing me."

That difference is catastrophic.Because hatred can be repaired.

Death cannot.

Raya's mind created a universe where Ticket got to grow up,hate him, return, accuse him and perhaps eventually forgive him.

But reality offers no such mercy.The real Ticket never got to grow up.He never got to confront his father.

Never got to tell him what he felt.Never got to ask why Raya wasn't there.

Never got to hear his father explain.

Their entire imagined relationship is a substitute for the relationship reality stole from them....

I would never stop crying for this tragedy....💔

Edited by asmitamohanty - 2 hours ago
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Posted: 2 hours ago
#19

the movie touched you deeply - on the emotional level... I like how you connect the events with the emotional baggage both the siblings carry... smiley27

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Posted: 2 hours ago
#20

To me, it seems that you make the movie more understandable on the soul&heart level... and indeed, there are mothers who aren't mothers in the sense one would like to associate with them... nature tells us that even those who give birth to the following generation, abandon them directly after birth...

In hindsight of the sister cum brother celebrations, I think that the release date is well chosen, btw.

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