Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi-EDT #16 DT note p25 - Page 71

Nandani trusted Karan even before they declared they are friends(forget lover)

When Ansh transpired against her so that she had to pay 10 lakhs to her employer, she immediately called Karan asking him to meet her

I mean come on Pooja was her mausi, Sahil was brother(cousin) whom she was very close to, in absence of your immediate family they were the most important people.

To think of it it I suddenly need 10lakhs, I won't call my best friend first but my family members

But Nandani was kind of sure, Karan will help her without asking for the reason or being judgemental and at that time Nandani wasn't comfortable in telling the whole thing

Ansh can't be matched by anyone, so couldn't Karan.

Tulsi says Draupadi ka Bharosa Krishna pe tha aur Nandani ka Karan par was so apt.

What Nandani had for Karan wasn't just love but a complete trust in his love. She didn't hesitate staying in Karan's house for a night.

Even her pregnancy with Ansh' child never made her think that Karan is lost.

Ansh wanted Nandani to wear that torn dress on their wedding night, Karan wanted Nandani to rest so that her child doesn't get hampered on their wedding night.

They later destroyed Karan with uselessly getting Tanya married to him, however before that Karan did everything that a girl can expect.

I remember once saying being an Apha male isn't being Animal who forces women to bow to their legs in fear, but being Sam Manekshaw who causes the biggest enemy surrender of recent history and yet has an aura in the house that women love being only yours

Ansh was the one who thought that showing dominance is masculinity and the way of showcasing love, Karan knew that just holding the girl when she is at her lowest is masculinity and love...

by the way Tulsi ne Karan ko 12 thappad maare? Itne to S1 Tulsi ne Ansh k molestation attempts and actual r**e ki baat pata lagne par bhi nhi maare the

Seems after Smriti became a minister, Tulsi became all the more fierce

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

by the way Tulsi ne Karan ko 12 thappad maare? Itne to S1 Tulsi ne Ansh k molestation attempts and actual r**e ki baat pata lagne par bhi nhi maare the

Seems after Smriti became a minister, Tulsi became all the more fierce

Karan will never stop Tulsi from slapping him. He would have received more slaps if Rio had not hold Tulsi's hand. I think Ansh tried to slap Tulsi when Tulsi slapped him and then Karan came to her rescue

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

by the way Tulsi ne Karan ko 12 thappad maare? Itne to S1 Tulsi ne Ansh k molestation attempts and actual r**e ki baat pata lagne par bhi nhi maare the

Seems after Smriti became a minister, Tulsi became all the more fierce

Tulsi and Karan's relationship hits different...I know she slapped him 12 times but with every thappad she says how he has let her down, mera guroor toda tune, ye sikhaya kya maine, ghamand tha mujhe tumpe and what not. She loves all her kids but as she says Karan is her guroor and she always thought that he will never cross the moral boundary considering she instilled sanskaar in him if Shobha or Gautam had done kaand I suspect Tulsi would react in this way lol

Karan cheated his wife, Nandini. He left his sick wife and had an affair with his mistress for years. He neglected his children. He is also a criminal for practicing bigamy. He was a bad husband and a bad father. This all happened in S1. Now whether you somehow think makers have said something else this season or somehow Tanya is his legal wife here or just teenager lover before he married in Nandini in S2, that’s your opinion. I am sticking with what’s being shown this season and following S1 with it until the makers say something else

Originally posted by: A_Star39

We are soo shocked by ansh ka riyansh that we forgot that karan got 12 slaps by tulsi

And he even got shaved so he can bear the brunt of those slaps

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Mihir was disposable as he was always meant to die. She didn’t anticipate that the public reaction to his death would be so huge. No one did.

She simply capitalised on an opportunity that was gonna help her show as it certainly didn’t match her intended plan for the show but if it helps her show stay on top, why not? After all, if you make a show for your audience and you keep them happy it’s good for business.

Mihir being considered replaceable, as are Anurag and Sujal, has also gotta do with the actors in question. Ironically, all 3 male leads ended up being replaced by different actors even if the characters were retained.

You couldn’t replace Akaash as Ansh. That’s what I meant too.

As for Anurag and Sujal, she couldn’t dispose those characters too. They remained till the end. The actors themselves quit the show. As far as I have heard, trps went down when Rajeev quit and many stopped watching KTH. She was upset with Rajeev for quitting. For KZK, the show shut down soon after Cezzane quit. Cezzane wanted to quit years back when the first leap happened because he didn’t want to play father to same age actors as per his interview, but Ekta had to convince him to stay. So he was needed for the show as per Ekta. The final leap was when he decided to quit as he didn’t want to play such an old character in his 20s. She was about to make him grandfather. I forgot if it was grandfather or great grandfather role that he didnt to play. Ekta was extremely upset with him for quitting and didn’t even bother to give farewell which was so rude to do that to an actor who gave years to the show

As for Akash, he was only in the show for one year. Had he stayed for years, he most likely would’ve quit too. So I don’t see how he was not replaceable but others were who btw quit on their own. It’s not like Ekta kicked them out because they were replaceable

Originally posted by: The_Best

Karan cheated his wife, Nandini. He left his sick wife and had an affair with his mistress for years. He neglected his children. He is also a criminal for practicing bigamy. He was a bad husband and a bad father. This all happened in S1. Now whether you somehow think makers have said something else this season or somehow Tanya is his legal wife here or just teenager lover before he married in Nandini in S2, that’s your opinion. I am sticking with what’s being shown this season and following S1 with it until the makers say something else

I think the core issue here is that I’m not trying to justify Karan as a flawless person, and I have been consistent about that from the start. I fully acknowledge that he was a bad father as per S1 but not according to S2. His emotional involvement with Tanya when Nandini recovered from coma was morally wrong in S1 and he cheated her on an emotional level in S1 and there were clear moral failures on his part

If the argument was that he emotionally cheated on Nandini in S1, I would agree. If it was that he was unfair to Tanya in S1 or took advantage of her emotionally, I would agree. But the problem is the way the argument is being framed by selectively picking certain aspects while ignoring others that are equally important, and even acknowledged by S2 itself.

For example, you are saying he “left his sick wife,” but that’s not entirely accurate. If you actually look at S1, he was the one who continued to hold on to hope that Nandini would recover from her coma, even after years. It doesn’t support the claim that he simply abandoned her.

You are acknowledging certain facts, but not the context behind them: You mentioned Karan left his sick wife apparantly meaning Nandini going into a coma which is directly tied to Bhumi’s existence and her delivery but you dont want to acknowledge Bhumi's existence because in S2 bhumi doesn't exist but want to justify that Nandini went into coma ? then Karan’s marriage to Tanya doesnot exist in isolation as per S1..it is also connected to Bhumi and the circumstances around her ...if you remove the cause and only highlight the outcome of S1 and align it to S2, then the argument loses its foundation. You can’t dismiss Bhumi’s role and then judge everything that follows as if that context never existed.

This is where the inconsistency becomes more visible. You are willing to acknowledge that Mihir and Mandira had a physical relationship during his memory loss, because the S2 established it. But when it comes to Karan, the same willingness to engage with layered or uncomfortable context is not there.

Even the timeline in S2 itself suggests there is more depth than what S1 explicitly laid out. Karan being around 36 in S2 with an 18 year old son clearly indicates that the backstory isn’t as linear or complete as it was in S1. That alone should be enough to show Karan and Nandini's track was never same as of S1 in S2 and you are not willing to acknowledge it.

So the issue isn’t disagreement ...it is rather selective acceptance. You are holding on to S1’s framing where it supports your view, while setting aside: Bhumi’s role, the reasoning behind Tanya, the expanded context S2 brings and then presenting that partial reading as the full truth. This is more of picking what suits the narrative rather than a balanced debate.

Anyways I think we are going in circles here so I will leave it at that. At this point it feels a bit futile to continue the discussion when the argument relies on selectively picking certain parts of the narrative while ignoring others that are equally established.

Originally posted by: Me_Harini

I think the core issue here is that I’m not trying to justify Karan as a person, and I’ve been consistent about that from the start. I fully acknowledge that he was a bad father as per S1 but not according to S2. His emotional involvement with Tanya when Nandini recovered from coma was morally wrong in S1 and he cheated her on an emotional level in S1 and there were clear moral failures on his part

If the argument was that he emotionally cheated on Nandini in S1, I would agree. If it was that he was unfair to Tanya in S1 or took advantage of her emotionally, I would agree. But the problem is the way the argument is being framed by selectively picking certain aspects while ignoring others that are equally important, and even acknowledged by S2 itself.

For example, you are saying he “left his sick wife,” but that’s not entirely accurate. If you actually look at S1, he was the one who continued to hold on to hope that Nandini would recover from her coma, even after years. It doesn’t support the claim that he simply abandoned her.

You are acknowledging certain facts, but not the context behind them: You mentioned Karan left his sick wife apparantly meaning Nandini going into a coma which is directly tied to Bhumi’s existence and her delivery but you dont want to acknowledge Bhumi's existence because in S2 bhumi doesn't exist but want to justify that Nandini went into coma ? then Karan’s marriage to Tanya doesnot exist in isolation as per S1..it is also connected to Bhumi and the circumstances around her ...if you remove the cause and only highlight the outcome of S1 and align it to S2, then the argument loses its foundation. You can’t dismiss Bhumi’s role and then judge everything that follows as if that context never existed.

This is where the inconsistency becomes more visible. You are willing to acknowledge that Mihir and Mandira had a physical relationship during his memory loss, because the S2 established it. But when it comes to Karan, the same willingness to engage with layered or uncomfortable context is not there.

Even the timeline in S2 itself suggests there is more depth than what S1 explicitly laid out. Karan being around 36 in S2 with an 18 year old son clearly indicates that the backstory isn’t as linear or complete as it was in S1. That alone should be enough to show Karan and Nandini's track was never same as of S1 in S2 and you are not willing to acknowledge it.

So the issue isn’t disagreement ...it is rather selective acceptance. You are holding on to S1’s framing where it supports your view, while setting aside: Bhumi’s role, the reasoning behind Tanya, the expanded context S2 brings and then presenting that partial reading as the full truth. This is more of picking what suits the narrative rather than a balanced debate.

Anyways I think we are going in circles here so I will leave it at that. At this point it feels a bit futile to continue the discussion when the argument relies on selectively picking certain parts of the narrative while ignoring others that are equally established.

What can one person do for a comatose wife lol.

Even post the marriage drama she' was there more for him. Gave him money for property, whenever karan had any issue nandini helped him.

Karan was also protective like he was hurt that nandini was going to marry someone else , he told her immediately that her fiance was having affair. If tanya accused her of something he defended her. Nandini said to try with tanya he did that too. Karan saw first hand how uncomfortable she was with ansh, repeatedly said sorry and said if she had any issue share with him. He was gem in many ways, always a dependable shoulder