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Posted: 5 hours ago

Originally posted by: Me_Harini

With whom exactly would Mihir have an affair to produce another Ansh? 😅

Ansh was Tulsi and Mihir’s son...his traits, his personality, his received genes from them. Now suddenly introducing another “Ansh 2.0” from some random affair would just be… logic taking a holiday.

But then again, this is Ekta land...genetics bhi TRP ke hisaab se kaam karta hai 😄

We have already seen similar things in YHM...Ruhi being Raman and Shagun’s daughter, yet Ishita having a lookalike daughter Pihu with Raman. Small details were tweaked (like the mole), and the audience was expected to go along with it.smiley36

So according to Ekatas logic they could show something like... Ansh being Mihir Tulsi’s son and Riyansh being Mihir’s son from another woman....the only visible difference being… a few wrinkles


But honestly, just imagine the irony... Tulsi killed Ansh for his actions… and then Mihir goes on to have another affair and ends up with another Ansh like son?...that would be trauma on another level and also borderline absurd. At that point, it stops being layered.

Who cares if this track brings TRP ...ekta certainly won't ...father she wud just tell “Plot twist daalo, baaki audience adjust kar legi.” smiley36

If Ansh's son is Amar's lookalike then how would Tulsi know that he is Ansh's sonsmiley5

Ansh is not alive for DNA test.

Mihir can produce his lookalike from another woman.

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Posted: 5 hours ago

Originally posted by: Phir_Mohabbat

what was that sastriya sangeet playing during karan tulsi phone scene


loved that part where tulsi says main pagal nhi hoon kon hai woh. ansh ka beta will send her to anxety attack lol


i would like to believe it was announced sky was cast as rio and amar hiten went to same place to properly remove their facial hair. amar's cheeks are like butter. hiten without beard i catntsmiley37 they are intentioanlly rubbing on our faces that these people are of same age.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXmj4OwDL9n/


Peth mein gud gud gud jaisa hi 🤣

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Posted: 5 hours ago

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

If Ansh's son is Amar's lookalike then how would Tulsi know that he is Ansh's sonsmiley5

Ansh is not alive for DNA test.

Mihir can produce his lookalike from another woman.

DNA test can reveal parentage entirely. Any child of Ansh is bound to possess DNA from Tulsi as well. That’s not gonna happen if Mihir has a lookalike for a son by another woman.

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Posted: 5 hours ago

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

seriously why Hiten had to get a shave? with beard fir bhi thoda bada lag sakta tha Akash se.

Amar to khair pota ban sakta hai Mihir ka

Itna hi tha to they could have caste Amar in a double role as his grandson. He can do great in negative role as we saw in SNS

wo bhi Akash se better lagta

Probably to register his annoyance smiley37

This is his way of showing it.

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Posted: 4 hours ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

DNA test can reveal parentage entirely. Any child of Ansh is bound to possess DNA from Tulsi as well. That’s not gonna happen if Mihir has a lookalike for a son by another woman.

okay so suppose if they do DNA test for Mihir and Tulsi and Rio's DNA matches, how will they know that the guy who looks like Mihir is Ansh's son? He can be son of any of the biological children of Mihir and Tulsi

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Posted: 4 hours ago

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

okay so suppose if they do DNA test for Mihir and Tulsi and Rio's DNA matches, how will they know that the guy who looks like Mihir is Ansh's son? He can be son of any of the biological children of Mihir and Tulsi

then they can do the DNA test of Nandani as well, that will match, now definitely Shobha and Nandani can't both me his biological mom

And they can trust Gautam didn't take Karan's second lady love too...

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Posted: 4 hours ago

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

then they can do the DNA test of Nandani as well, that will match, now definitely Shobha and Nandani can't both me his biological mom

And they can trust Gautam didn't take Karan's second lady love too...

If Rio is Ansh and some other woman's son then?

May be then they have to by the process of elimination

Mihir and Tulsi's DNAs matches

Shobha and Gautam's DNAs do not match

As only Ansh is left so Ansh is the fathersmiley36

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Posted: 4 hours ago

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

okay so suppose if they do DNA test for Mihir and Tulsi and Rio's DNA matches, how will they know that the guy who looks like Mihir is Ansh's son? He can be son of any of the biological children of Mihir and Tulsi

Easy, if he’s a perfect match for Mihir and Tulsi’s DNA and it’s proven that their DNA is that of the grandparents, which is possible, given that the maternal DNA will be very different than the paternal lineage, then the genetic material is tested against the biological children of Mihir and Tulsi who are still alive aka Gautam and Shobha. Once they’re established as paternal uncle and aunt respectively, it eliminates all the other options and leaves us with the obvious. TuHir have had 3 biological children of their own and since Gautam and Shobha are still alive but not a perfect match but a certain percentage only, the obvious answer is Ansh.

Furthermore, if he’s Nandini’s son, her DNA will be a perfect match with Rio as the maternal genetic material; case solved.

No other grandchild of TuHir can share their DNA alongside Nandini’s besides the one born to Ansh. Karan’s children wouldn’t have Tulsi’s DNA at all even though they carry Mihir’s.

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Posted: 4 hours ago

I dont think they need DNA at all

If Karan says that he is Ansh' son, Tuhir and others will believe.

No one actually got a DNA test done of Karan when he claimed he is Mihir's son, although the family hated him back then

So despite everything, Viranis believe in Karan

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Posted: 3 hours ago

Originally posted by: Me_Harini

From the very beginning, Ansh was shown as someone who disrespected women. It wasnt just one incident his behavior towards Baa, Tulsi, and especially Nandini consistently reflected that. I understand that not everyone can immediately accept a new mother figure, especially when they are already grown up. That’s fair. But basic courtesy and respect are still expected and that’s exactly what Ansh never had. Akashdeep portrayed Ansh in a way that made the audience wait for his downfall, not his redemption. There was no sympathy arc there. He was meant to be hated, and it worked. And Akashdeep himself was unable to create that Darkness with Ekalavya which was able to create eit Ansh.

N regarding DABH...I don't exactly recall the story....may be I have to rewatch. Did bhabhi kill Mohit ?

Now comparing kyunki to YHM - Adi was actually one of the most beautifully written characters initially. He was a child who was clearly neglected and emotionally manipulated by his own mother. Shagun did love Adi in her own way, but she always loved herself more. She used him as a tool against Raman, and that shaped his early behavior. But what made Adi’s journey special was Ishita. It was Ishita’s selfless and unconditional love that transformed him. From being a brat he became a genuinely loving, sensitive boy. Their bond didnt feel forced but it evolved naturally. You could actually see a mother son relationship forming over time.

His insecurity when a new baby was discussed was also very real. That fear that Ishita might love him less is something any child would feel. And the fact that he understood and accepted her reassurance shows how deeply he trusted her. That is what made their bond believable. Even after the 7 year leap, it was evident that Adi longed for Ishita. Shagun existed in his life yes but she never held the emotional space that Ishita did.

Then his relationship with Aliya - he was shown as a loving, responsible husband. Even the Roshni marriage track which was forced by circumstances, didnt completely derail his character. He eventually processed it, moved forward, and rebuilt a stable life with Aliya.

And then suddenly… everything changes. Out of nowhere, Adi is shown getting attracted to Roshni again almost like infatuation and it just doesnt align with his established character. It feels abrupt and forced. What makes it worse is Roshni’s arc. Roshni was supported by Ishita and Aliya and they helped her study, supported her growth, and stood by her in her toughest phase. And yet she knowingly gets involved with a married man Adi, who is Aliya’s husband. This wasnt confusion or helplessness but this was a conscious choice.

Even that justification later - that she realized Adi wouldn’t choose her or what she is doing is wrong when Shagun spoke to her and so she stepped back doesnt change the fact that she willingly engaged in something that would hurt the very people who helped her. That is why the audience didnt connect with her the way they did with Nandini in Kyunki.

Nandini was a victim. She went through trauma, abuse, and injustice. Her suffering was visible, prolonged, and layered. Roshni, on the other hand, was not portrayed as a victim...she had agency, and she made choices that directly hurt others. So her “emotional conflict” never really translated into audience sympathy.

Now coming to the biggest difference - Tulsi vs Ishita.

In Kyunki, Tulsi’s reaction was not impulsive. Her anger and pain were built over time. She saw....Ansh constantly disrespecting women, Baa, Herself, Nandini, His toxic behavior and entitlement, the marital rape of Nandini, his attempts to destroy evidence, his manipulation of Mihir and Savita, his plan to kill Tanya, destroying and eliminating all evidences...and finally him kidnapping Nandini and almost killing her just to satisfy his own ego. This wasnt one incident ...it was a pattern of escalating cruelty. Tulsi reached a breaking point after witnessing repeated atrocities. When she shot Ansh, it felt like the culmination of everything she had endured and seen. The audience may have been shocked but they understood her rage and probably they were rooting for her to kill him.

Now compare that to YHM - Adi’s shift was sudden and poorly built. One day he is a loving son and husband, and the next he is behaving obsessively, kidnapping Roshni from a wedding. There was no gradual descent, no layered buildup and then Ishita shoots him. That is where the disconnect happens. Because unlike Kyunki, there was no long standing arc of darkness leading to that moment. It felt rushed, forced, and out of sync with the character we had seen grow over years which is why Tulsi’s rage felt earned, while Ishita’s moment felt forced. So naturally it didnt strike the same emotional chord with the audience.

I do get the core of what you are saying that sometimes good people are born to “bad” circumstances and vice versa. The Prahlad analogy fits in principle and even the Gandhari comparison for Tulsi makes sense to an extent. Ansh was not just “a bad son born to a good mother.” He was written as someone whose darkness was consistently shown and escalated. His actions werent isolated they formed a clear pattern, Disrespect towards women, manipulation and control and eventually, crossing every moral boundary possible. So when Tulsi reached that breaking point it didnt feel like a symbolic or philosophical moment ...it rather felt earned. And I completely agree with you on one thing that no other show has been able to recreate that impact. But that is exactly because later shows tried to replicate the moment, not the process. Take YHM for example. The idea might have been similar showing how even a loved son can go wrong but the buildup just wasnt there. Adi was established as a transformed, emotionally evolved character for years. His sudden shift into obsessive behavior and then directly into that extreme climax didnt have the same layering. So the audience didnt feel that same inevitability. It felt abrupt rather than tragic. Also, acting definitely played a huge role....Akashdeep made Ansh convincingly dangerous, not just problematic. You didnt expect redemption from him... you expected consequences. What made Kyunki iconic wasnnt just the concept. It was the consistency, character arc, and emotional payoff. That is what later shows havent been able to replicate...

Wonderfully articulated.

Exactly, with Kyunki things didn’t just fall into place - they were all streamlined and set up piece by piece so that when Tulsi pulls the trigger it doesn’t seem drama for the sake of drama while doing complete justice to the classic that obviously inspired it.

In the movie we see Dutt’s resentment towards Lala gets more intense every time they cross paths and when he falls off the wagon and joins bandits, the last shred of humanity and morality leaves his body. When his mother threatens him, he banks on her love for him over her ethics that wouldn’t allow her to let her son ruin a girl like that.

Ansh is similarly shown as evil from day one. We see him manipulate, scheme and weasel his way into Nandini’s life when stalking, coercion and intimidation didn’t work after she rejected his advances and refused his offer to sleep with him for whatever price she names so he could get her out of his system. We see that rejection stings his ego and drives his obsession not even love or lust completely. It’s his stubbornness that makes him play a wolf in sheep’s clothing to enter SN too. He conveniently found an easy way in as well courtesy of his biological parentage about which he had barely learned.

He never cared to accept Tulsi as his mom or Mihir as his dad let alone the entire Virani family as for him, the goal was Nandini. Once he had her, he would have even left SN with her forever without a second glance had she been persuaded to give their marriage a shot, which she actually might have had he not opened his cards as soon as they got married but patiently held onto them. He was able to successfully convince her and everyone else to let him marry her despite the clear knowledge that he had tried to get her to sleep with him for money, intimidate her and try to molest her at the first possible opportunity. Had he not done what he did on their wedding night, he could have won her over gradually with time, like Gautam did with Damini. His problem was that he was tired of the charade he had to keep up to even get Nandini to talk to him and he threw that mask the moment he felt it had served its purpose.

We had no reason to believe he was genuine in his feelings from day one. There was no room for ambiguity regarding his morality, intentions and the kind of man he was.

The acting, the chemistry he had with everyone, the way he was written, his signature tune and the way that the track shaped up was all a perfect symphony.

His end is satisfying because his terror was so powerful and frightening for us viewers. Girls and women of all ages knew that he could make them feel dirty and like ants were crawling all over them just by the way he looked at Nandini. We all know those eyes and are unfortunately no strangers to them. It was the first time we saw one of these men portrayed on TV, so real and raw, he creeped us out and scared us equally. Ekta and her team showed how a woman like Nandini feels in such a situation without sugarcoating it. The most remarkable part about this track was that Ekta showed that no amount of lectures and love could change what a person truly is at the end of the day.

Tulsi and her love, the warmth of the whole family didn’t change Ansh and suddenly transform him like Gautam did.

Ekta boldly showed her most popular heroine has a son like Ansh and there was no redeeming him because some men are beyond redemption no matter what.

Gautam was a good person underneath all that bitterness, craving love, warmth and family despite his demeanour. Ansh could never be Gautam as he had no idea what those things even mean; let alone care about them enough to want them.

I don’t remember the name of the DABH son except that he was the youngest son, the sorta lazybones who was a slacker until suddenly one day he becomes this sicko.

Couldn’t agree more with Adi’s trajectory never making sense. The payoff didn’t happen because there was no journey that made it seem worth it. Rather, his turn as a character was rather pointless, bizarre and unnecessary to say the least.

When Ishita kills Adi, you see it for the forced drama it was; unlike what happened in Kyunki. We get repeated scenes since the scene in the lobby in the hotel in Switzerland where Tulsi goes against Ansh irrecoverably. She starts by telling him that she’s always prayed for the welfare of her children, but he’s making her curse him as a mother who hopes to see his destruction. When he is not willing to divorce Nandini and still wants to exploit her and use the family to his advantage as he manipulates them, we see Tulsi telling him that he mustn’t be so arrogant about his manliness that he wishes to force upon Nandini again; lest a woman becomes the source of his destruction as divine justice for his arrogance and chauvinism in the superiority of his masculinity.

Ansh also is compared with Karan who stands as a representative of positive and powerful masculinity which doesn’t need to intimidate, dominate or threaten a woman to make her want him. His confidence doesn’t rely on intimidation, his gaze doesn’t make a woman feel dirty but desirable as she also can sense it’s safe, his strength doesn’t seek domination but comes out as protection.

Ansh by himself was frightening but when contrasted with Karan - it was the depiction of the difference between day and night, good and bad, right and wrong, positive versus negative masculinity.

You knew that you could end up stranded with Karan in the middle of nowhere in the dark and you would be completely safe, from him and every other kind of danger, as he would be there for you. With Ansh, you could be in a roomful of people and still feel like he was mentally undressing you and feel violated without him so much as being near you let alone flashing you or sending you dirty texts, pictures or videos.

The other shows also lacked this kind of duality when dealing with the subject. They just saw Mother India and thought let’s copy. But beyond Ansh and Tulsi, the track works beautifully because it had a Karan too. The other shows didn’t just rush in when Kyunki took its own sweet time to make the climax worth it, earning the tag of the mother of all twists in Indian TV; but they failed to establish a counter to toxic masculinity. They got their own Tulsi, Ansh and Nandini too; but there was no Karan who was equally important to the plot. Somewhere Nandini didn’t just break because she was the Gen 2 heroine who had the OG heroine with her, but because she also had a man whom she knew loved her truly and beyond her body. Tulsi’s realisation that Karan might not be the son who shares her blood but he’s the one who has her values and is the very model of the son she would adore and be proud of while her own blood had made her feel like she would burn in hell for her involuntarily being an accomplice to a sin, not just a crime is also telling. She tells Karan as much; she will suffer for her next 100 lives owing to her being a party to what befell Nandini.

The track simultaneously conveyed so much without being on the nose; showing us rather than telling us that blood doesn’t make the man, as well as how a real man doesn’t have to subjugate a woman to win her over. He can make her want him if he proves himself worthy of her heart.

Without the setup, the acting and the organic chemistry between the characters; all the other shows were bound to fail as it is; but they don’t even merit a discussion unless you remember them because they also failed to establish a Karan of their own in parallel. The light to his dark, the hero to his villain.

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