Dhurandhar 2 Reviews with spoilers!!!! - Page 44

Originally posted by: Me_Harini

That is what I have mentioned...they have exposed a lot of bias , I am fine even with their personal opinions but sometimes ...I wud say few times there posts are hit n miss...kind of makes no sense

That’s life isn’t it though? Everything comes with a pinch of salt.

Originally posted by: MsWhiskerson

Yeah

I don't generally watch movies, I prefer dramas

My family and colleagues drag me to watch movies with them

Dhurandhar, I went to watch because it made leftists cry then I was obsessed with Hamza and Dhurandhar 2 has just intensified my obsession with him

I don't watch a lot of movies in theater and am not a movie buff

Watched D2 coz I liked D1 and wanted to know what happens after D1 events...and I watched D1 after seeing leftists polarized reactions and their criticism of D1 all over the media...moreover I liked URI so wanted to watch Aditya Dhars craftwork...that man kind of makes nationalistic movies though

Well, I did not grow up with Hindi Cinema and certainly didn't give enough attention to the Muslim/Hindu things in most of the movies where the story not really was about that. In K3G, SRK's role is that of a Hindu Indian, isn't it???

MNIK did not stress the Hindu/Muslim angle... it was about good and bad people.

In Dear Zindagi, the character's religion didn't play a role.

In Raees, he didn't play a positive character although caring for all his clients the same way - if Muslim or not.

In ChakDe, he had to play a Muslim as he was ousted after a match against Pakistan hinting that he 'betrayed' his Indian team... could very well happen in these times also... but his religion played no role when training the girls because... to him, they all were Indian first.

In Pathaan, he had no religion, he was Indian... one doesn't know if he was Muslim or Christ or Hindu... he got named Pathaan because he saved the schoolkids in the Muslim village... and Rubina was Pakistani by birth but n o t ISI anymore at the time of the filmstory and helped preventing that Delhi people get killed (there wasn't even a 'proper' romance... not even with the music).

And his tiny role in Karan's Ranbir/Aish/Anushka movie had also nothing to do with his religion - it was about unrequited love.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Well, I did not grow up with Hindi Cinema and certainly didn't give enough attention to the Muslim/Hindu things in most of the movies where the story not really was about that. In K3G, SRK's role is that of a Hindu Indian, isn't it???

MNIK did not stress the Hindu/Muslim angle... it was about good and bad people.

In Dear Zindagi, the character's religion didn't play a role.

In Raees, he didn't play a positive character although caring for all his clients the same way - if Muslim or not.

In ChakDe, he had to play a Muslim as he was ousted after a match against Pakistan hinting that he 'betrayed' his Indian team... could very well happen in these times also... but his religion played no role when training the girls because... to him, they all were Indian first.

In Pathaan, he had no religion, he was Indian... one doesn't know if he was Muslim or Christ or Hindu... he got named Pathaan because he saved the schoolkids in the Muslim village... and Rubina was Pakistani by birth but n o t ISI anymore at the time of the filmstory and helped preventing that Delhi people get killed (there wasn't even a 'proper' romance... not even with the music).

And his tiny role in Karan's Ranbir/Aish/Anushka movie had also nothing to do with his religion - it was about unrequited love.

SInce you brought up these examples, I’ll explain how I see them in a bit more detail:

My Name Is Khan - SRK’s acting was genuinely very good and as a film it’s emotionally engaging no doubt on that aspect . But at the same time, the timing of its release, just a couple of years after the 2008 Mumbai attacks along with the controversies around SRK’s public statements and his support for Pakistani players, made the whole narrative feel less organic to me. It felt like the film was leaning into a particular messaging rather than just telling a story naturally. That context does affect how I perceive it.

Raees - This is where I have a bigger issue. The character is inspired by someone who had connections to Dawood Ibrahim, which is a very serious background. But the film chooses to soften that aspect and instead builds a larger-than-life, almost heroic persona around him. When a real life figure with criminal links is portrayed in a stylized, charismatic way, it inevitably comes across as glorification, even if indirectly. That’s something I find problematic.

Chak De! India - As a sports film, it’s inspiring and well made, no doubt. But the addition of a religious angle felt unnecessary to me. The real-life inspiration, Mir Ranjan Negi he was a hindu, there was no reason to change the religion of the hero and give it a different dimension alltogether. So including this Hindu - Muslim angle in the film feels like a deliberate narrative choice rather than something essential to the plot. When storytelling adds elements that weren’t originally there, especially sensitive ones, it makes me question the intent behind it.

Pathaan / Spy universe films - When you look at the writing, it starts falling apart. The repeated trope of ex-RAW agents turning rogue and becoming the main villains feels overused and unrealistic. On top of that, showing Indian agents collaborating with ISI in such a casual or simplified way doesn’t make much logical sense either. It feels like these plot devices are inserted for convenience or messaging rather than grounded storytelling.

There are many such examples where the story is twisted. So overall many ppl now don't look at whether a film is entertaining or popular they tend to pay attention to what it’s trying to portray beneath the surface, how characters are framed, what narratives are being pushed, and whether it feels authentic or forced and that is the main reason why Bollywood is losing credibility too.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Well, I did not grow up with Hindi Cinema and certainly didn't give enough attention to the Muslim/Hindu things in most of the movies where the story not really was about that. In K3G, SRK's role is that of a Hindu Indian, isn't it???

MNIK did not stress the Hindu/Muslim angle... it was about good and bad people.

In Dear Zindagi, the character's religion didn't play a role.

In Raees, he didn't play a positive character although caring for all his clients the same way - if Muslim or not.

In ChakDe, he had to play a Muslim as he was ousted after a match against Pakistan hinting that he 'betrayed' his Indian team... could very well happen in these times also... but his religion played no role when training the girls because... to him, they all were Indian first.

In Pathaan, he had no religion, he was Indian... one doesn't know if he was Muslim or Christ or Hindu... he got named Pathaan because he saved the schoolkids in the Muslim village... and Rubina was Pakistani by birth but n o t ISI anymore at the time of the filmstory and helped preventing that Delhi people get killed (there wasn't even a 'proper' romance... not even with the music).

And his tiny role in Karan's Ranbir/Aish/Anushka movie had also nothing to do with his religion - it was about unrequited love.

I have grown up with Hindi cinema and I still won’t ask you to take my word for it blindly. Will simply ask you to go through the handle Gems of Bollywood on X and check their tweets. You can google the same thing - Anti Hindu propaganda and Hinduphobia in Bollywood. You will find lots of stuff.

Yes, SRK played a Hindu man in the movie. But that’s exactly the point. These movies have shown Hindu characters in such light always. Amitabh Bachchan has played characters called Vijay where he would openly mock Hindu gods and goddesses, but the moment he plays an Anthony he never mocks Mother Mary, Jesus or even the angels. If he plays a Muslim character, he never has any dialogue where he’s asking Allah any questions regarding his existence or to prove his power.

In Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, SRK has a 8 year old daughter, she finds out from her dead mother’s letters that her dad had a female best friend in college who was also called Anjali. She loved Rahul, his character, and he probably loved her too but never realised it. This dead woman now tasks her 8 years old child to get her husband to marry this friend of his. To track down Anjali, the daughter and SRK’s mom go to meet the woman who was incharge of the girl’s hostel and had grown close to Anjali as she might be the only one who would know her current whereabouts. They arrive at her home and find out that Anjali is about to be engaged to marry another man. The daughter who has been raised in a Hindu family by her Hindu grandmother and father, who makes faces to recite bhajans is suddenly seen performing namaz to pray so that Anjali doesn’t marry this other man. She also knows the exact way a Muslim woman would tie an abbaya or a scarf around her head. Miracle of miracles, as soon as she’s done offering namaz - the woman gets a call that the wedding is postponed owing to unfavourable transits per astrologers.

I don’t know what your religion is and you don’t need to reveal it either. But tell me if you’re 8 or have an 8 year old in your home, even if your family is not extremely religious, would you or that child in your family suddenly know and perform the prayers and rituals practiced by another faith out of the blue when expecting a miracle or would you turn to your own faith and whichever form of divine you have grown up believing in for the same? Even if you are an atheist, would you suddenly know what to do in such an instance?

MNIK came right after 9/11. The tragedy which had Muslims as the main culprits. Are we supposed to believe that Americans having an extreme reaction in the wake of what’s the worst terrorist attack on their soil is something that’s unreasonable to have?

Chak De is inspired by the story of a real coach called Mir Ranjan Negi - a Hindu man. If the story itself is so compelling - a star athlete who lost an important match getting accused of match fixing - why would you need to change the religion of the man? Why show him a Muslim to push the agenda?

Pathaan, Tiger or any other YRF movie shows RAW and ISI agents working together, falling in love and trying to always stop a rogue Hindu Indian agent who has turned evil either out of some personal interest or for money.

Even if an Indian agent was a mole or went raw, do you really think that RAW would worl with the ISI to stop them? That these agents who are supposed to be risking their lives daily to protect their country from threats would be so stupid as to work in cohort with the enemy? Just google the number of terrorist attacks on India and tell me - in what world would an Indian intelligence agency work with the very people who are orchestrating these attacks?

The things shown in Dhurandhar are real - there were those attacks we saw in the movie, the fake currency dealer Khanani died on 4 December 2016, within a month of demonetisation. The unknown men chapter has names dropping like flies and each of them is real - these organisations exist, the men named really worked for them and they have been killed in precisely the manner in which the movie showed.

You can even google about the Razakars of Hyderabad and what they did before Sardar Patel got it to merge with India. Google the Moplah Massacre, find out who was Gopal Patha.

Being a victim of the same thing over and over again but refusing to name it out of some stupid sense of liberal hypocrisy or worse brainwashing is stupidity at its finest.

When someone says they’re Islamophobic they’re simply saying that I have common sense and know what these people do and are capable of. It’s not discrimination to say something that is true.

And fine, consider us Hindus Islamophobic, but then explain why in every continent the same issues exist. Why is it that Buddhists, Christians and Jews are also facing the same problem?

Grooming gangs in Britain have been exploiting their little girls for decades but the victims are being silenced and bullied as the perpetrators are Muslims.

There’s a man who refuses to sell Halal food in his restaurant in the UK - he is facing death threats as we speak. Look him up - he’s called Harman Singh Kapoor and is based in London.

Refusing to wake up and accept reality staring you in the face helps no one. Certainly not the liberal ones who pretend to play this off as intellectual superiority.

Although I understand some of your views, I protest against a Muslim-Hindi angle in Chak De... it was a Muslim/Indian angle as people called him a traitor... getting inspired by real people doesn't mean to portray them to the "t", right?

And I stress again, that everybody who had watched the movie Pathaan and gave attention to the story would know that - even in the filmstory's reality, no Indian agent really collaborates with ISI ... not even the f o r m e r ISI agent Dr. Rubina collaborates with the ISI. She initially works for a terrorist outlet that even hasn't a religion (and neither a nationality).

There is a lot of frustration and anger coming out... all these arguments have a personal worth, so, I won't contest them.

Personally, I would follow no religion, not even when praying... so, a religious angle isn't something I give priority to, it's only the human one... I even didn't wonder about little Anjali praying this way because I'm so used that in India people celebrate Hindu and Muslim holidays and also Christian ones... I just didn't give it a second thought.

Only because a movie awakens people to look for religious angles doesn't mean that I would follow this trend... and yes, the Twitter account already got posted multiple times here...maybe, it is one got made extra for furthering a dividing thinking.

And no, I won't call you Islamophobic... no shred of sympathy for Islamic extremists and terrorists... they are a plague to humanity... like other extremists and terrorists are, too.

Originally posted by: Clochette

There is a lot of frustration and anger coming out... all these arguments have a personal worth, so, I won't contest them.

Personally, I would follow no religion, not even when praying... so, a religious angle isn't something I give priority to, it's only the human one... I even wondered about little Anjali praying this way because I'm so used that in India people celebrate Hindu and Muslim holidays and also Christian ones... I just gave it a second thought.

Only because a movie awakens people to look for religious angles doesn't mean that I would follow this trend... and yes, the Twitter account already got posted multiple times here...maybe, it is one got made extra for furthering a dividing thinking.

And no, I won't call you Islamophobic... no shred of sympathy for Islamic extremists and terrorists... they are a plague to humanity... like other extremists and terrorists are, too.

It’s not frustration or anger. It’s simply a matter of fact truth being laid out bare.

Celebrations are not the yardstick to measure reality. In foreign countries when people invite guests to their wedding they are clear about them having to RSVP in advance, they specify the number of guests permitted, the theme of the wedding if there is one, children can be excluded. Women are expected to not outshine the bride.

In an Indian society you can’t even think about inviting guests to a wedding in your family and then expect them to RSVP or worse, ask them to keep their kids at home or only have 2 members at most attend the wedding. You either invite the whole family or you don’t. The family need not turn up in full force and actually be represented only by a single person but the invitation is still meant for everyone. To think otherwise is considered an insult. We don’t have the concept of outshining the bride because weddings are meant for dressing up.

In India you don’t just invite relatives for celebrations, you invite friends, colleagues, neighbours and even acquaintances. These people can be from any and every walk of life and religion too.

That’s one side of the story, the other is as real as it gets too.

People don’t spoil relationships just because… also Hindus have been tolerant. That’s the bane of their existence and also perhaps what has kept them around too.

The divide has always existed, no twitter account has aggravated it. It simply has compiled evidence of the agenda against Hindus that’s being carried out in Bollywood for decades and how it started subtle but has become blatant over time.