Originally posted by: masked
You do realize what you're doing is victim blaming and basically excusing criminal activities because it was the victim's fault that she didn't anticipate that the man she was with would turn out to be a predator in the mask of a gentleman ?
No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.
First of all stop putting words in my mouth all right. When I stated that A coin has two sides-not just only one side-Har Sikke ke Do Pahlu hote hain I know what I was stating and have you even cared to read the full statement of mine or just glossed through it?
That's great. When youve nothing to couner my points , say I glossed over your post when you're the one avoiding most questions and points because you know you have no logical return to them.
I had already stated that - What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.
If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.
Oh, you did ??? Please quote the text where you called his actions condemnable before we called you out through our replies that you're victim blaming ??
you didn't condemn him. You supported his crimes . Aryaman is not complex. He's boring monotonous and uninteresting.
d if you have still have not understood my point let me explain this in simple layman terms- A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.
When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.
So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.
You do realize what you just said is absolutely horribly misogynist?? A woman should do this.. a woman should do that.. Eff that ! Why is it on women to protect themselves and not on men to be decent human beings ?
Funny you keep saying we're starting a gender war when you're the one putting woman on a gender biased box and juding her based on why she didn't act accordingly , so its you who is looking to find excuse for your favorite character, looking at woman through absolutely outdated and obsolete and wrong gender colored lenses.
And no , my answer is no. Your logical answer to the question you asked ( funny you provided a default " logical answer " which is the worst illogical take possible and how you decided this must be the logical course to take. 
) is that why should she leave ?? Why ? I wouldn't. No woman should and would leave. Why are you calling it date ? She stayed because when Aryaman saw he's been caught he quickly pretended that he came with an intention to befriend her and she was curious to see what's he trying to do here. It's not her fault for not thinking the lowest of him. She thought he'd be a gentleman when he's not. That's on him, not on her .
So , your take is wrong and biased. No woman should run in a similar scenario unless the man is a known predator.
When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs. So care to explain how its victim-blaming here huh?
She didn't go on a date. Again you're completely victim blaming to deflect blame from the man. She stayed back for the dinner and a conversation. You trying to call it a date is wrong and manipulative tactics to blame shift from the predator to the victim. Classic case of victim blaming.
" She shouldn't have taken lift in a car with only a man . She should have known better. "
"She shouldn't have gone inside his house with him knowing it's empty , to accept his invitation for a coffee. "
I've seen, heard and read so many different iterations of this same narrative from different sections of the society , all blaming women foe putting themselves in the situation whereas it's men who should be called out for making those apparently harmless situations dangerous.
OK, lets gender reverse it. If Aryaman was a woman and Vikram's friend , would you still say Ahana shouldn't have stayed or she should have run ?
See, the danger comes from Aryaman and its solely his fault.
let's get back to Ahana here-she's a fictional character first second as a Naagin she's been quite confident blessed with an equally sharp mind yet it cannot be denied that inspite of her sharpness she has flaws within her character. And I was exposing those flaws within her character like any Naagin fan.
Nope. You're narrating thoae situations as an excuse for Aryaman's action as if it's justifible . As if anything he did so far is excusable , when its not !
Ahana as a character gets critised by us , yes by those who you call Aryaman haters ( super hilarious and curious that you didn't call us Ahana haters because we criticise Ahana harshly too ,for much less faults. Because we are not biased towards any one character like you. )
But you brought those up when we were criticising Aryaman just so you can excuse his actions that render him a predator and a pervert.
In Ahana's case not only she knew her so called Predator but is in even in love with that Predator speaking in your terms though I don't agree with this word.
And her relationship with Vikram is not even genuine.So wasn't she playing with the feelings of Vikram then though it was a part of her deception tactic.
So ? She didn't know any better when she fell for Aryaman . And even though it was foolish of her to fall for a predator, that doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman being one , does it ? So many women have been in love with the people who hurt them and still it doesn't mean its their fault.
Ahana has every right to do whatever she wants to because she's literally fighting for naag lok and her country and also to take vengeance for her entire family's brutal slaughter. It's absolutely not something we can compare with what Aryaman is doing, which is only and only because of his evil nature and selfish motives.
And yes irrespective of gender if a crime or any unfortunate incident happens with any individual then proper laws are there to resolve the same.
It seems fans like you have a habit of mixing fictional issues with real life and that too without any logic.Do you know the difference between real and fictional world before passing judgement on others huh?
Fans like me ? Or fans like you , who have zero logic , zero explanations for the character theyre so desperately defending. You're the one who has zero perception of difference between real and reel or else you wouldn't have said in real life a woman should have done this or that, a married woman should've done this or that. Aren't you drawing real life parallels all the time ??
Are you for real ? Your entire previous comments are all about what you think they should've done in real life . And you're telling us we don't know the difference? You're practically completely out of touch with what's real and what's reel.
And ??? So what ?? How does that in any way excuse or nullify what Aryaman did ? From Aryaman's perspective ,he planned it completely with an evil intent and he was trying to ruin the life of an innocent girl with zero guilt or remorse ,like a classic psychopath. Aryaman literally pretended to extend an olive branch and Ahana took him up for it. How'd she know he'd stoop so far as to drug her drinks and record her inappropriately with bad intent ? And since she didn't know, how's she at fault for staying back and not Aryaman for being a predator ? Could be clear here?
What if she was not naagin ? Aryaman didn't know that she's naagin , right ? So he was trying to ruin an ordinary girl and you're supporting that ?
Really? Are you living under some hypnosis or illusion? Care to see the word Condemnable huh?
You never comdemed him. You literally defended him. So , yeah be real for a second and come out of your own hypnosis perhaps ?
Regarding Ahana being an ordinary girl and not a Naagin well read my above point that's your answer. Any ordinary girl ought to run away at 100 miles per hour from such fake romantic dates.
That's only your take and you've no right to say or judge or comment on how an ordinary woman would've behaved in such a situation. And you're completely wrong on top of that. Why would women have to run away always ?? And if they don't it's their fault for what harm is being done to them?
Yes I agree with your point that Ahana might not have known about Arya's sedating trick but she did know that Arya was highly suspicious regarding her motives and character. And yes again for reminder she loves Arya not Vikram.
And perhaps Arya could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.
Perhaps ?? Did you just say he perhaps should not have been a pervert and a predator ?? Well well, now I know where you stand and how you think .
He never crossed the line ?? Are you for real ?? He crossed the line so many times in so many ways in the span of a single episode it was nearing a world record.
When I said that he never crossed the line I meant that he never took unfair advantage of Ahana's unconscious state and left the venue.I don't agree with his sedating or recording tactics however it cannot be denied that he even never took advantage of her right after their wedding too.
So, he didn’t take off her clothes and SA ed her ! 
Let's give him an award for chivary.
Truly, the bar is in hell ! We are excusing predators for not doing outright SA ! We've progressed as a society ig.
We now have men who only bad mouths their wife and uses her as a tool to make his best friend and ex jealous versus men who do marital SA ! That's a hero for us Ig.
Even the so called Radhika was never taken advantage of by Aryamaan inspite of her betrayal towards him otherwise she would not have even entered into a relationship with a Predator right.
What a true hero ! Who only stalked a married woman for five years when drunk . Truly the gold standard !
Fantastic bit of victim blaming you did here by saying she shouldn't have entered into a relationship with him ! How would she know how he truly is ? Does she watch Naagin every weekend on tv ?? Confusing reel life with real life again?
In contrast what Ravish did with Purvi's sibling that Fake Ananta was disgusting and criminal to say the least.Taking advantage of a woman's feeling right after love confession including making her pregnant and playing with her feelings is pathetic and sick.
So, your measuring stick is Ravish ! Guess that explains a LOT ! So if a man is not Ravish level evil and cheap, he's all good I guess .
And Arya never did that with either Radhika or Ahana.
True hero ! 
As far as Ahana is concerned despite being fictional I do empathize with her pain and feelings.Those Suri intruders not only killed her family but they did the inhuman act of killing an innocent soul ( a pure loving baby who's not yet come into this world) which was there in Fake Ananta's womb.
The loss of a family even if a foster one can never be replaced.Even boatloads of money can never be the substitute for a deep and loving bond with a Family.
Ahana's sibling loved her like her own sister despite her earlier plain jane look.She took great care of her and still advises her lovingly in her spirit form too.That's the kind of unbreakable and deep bond both Purvi and Fake Ananta share with each other-a loving sisterly relation.
Those intruders have not only finished a loving family but even put countless innocent lives in danger during that Mahakumbh Festival.Those Suri intruders deserve no mercy.
Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she was just a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge everything on her shoulders with only Bharni to help her.
And here, Aryaman is a criminal . So , I'd take a flawed person who's still learning the ropes of the job over a criminal any day. But that's just me.
Aryaman only did every thing out of selfish motives and petty revenge . And Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're incomparable.
Read my above comments for your answer. I had already explained in detail and need not repeat the same here.
And also you have yourself supported my point- Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she wasjust a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge...
Regarding your point- Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're... incomparable.
Oh! So now you have realized that Ananta is fighting for all the above mentioned things then what about these comments by you-
As for Bharni, everything Ananta has done or achieved so far is atleast 60 % because of Bharni and 40 % because of her own skills. Bharni has so far done much more for the mission and shown outstanding moral character and upholding of duties than any other character in the story , including protagonist Ananta. Anyone who denies that is not being honest .
Infact, every single time Ananta is in hot soup she's rescued Ananta from tight spots, sacrificed her own mother, did everything that is required to bring about Ananta's transformation. She's basically multitasking on so many fronts and that too with so much patience , grace and single minded focus. Ananta can learn a lotttt from her.
And ??? How does that goes against what I said about Ananta?? What is your point here ? If you're trying to make a point here you totally failed .
Care to explain how these views contradict each other ? Or you just had to deflect when logic failed ?
You were giving percentages I was gonna address these too but I left the same respecting your POV.
Again , I've zero idea why do you think you did something respecting my views here ! May be you need sleep ?
Your admirable Bharni chose herself to be a bystander and stab her Naagrani rather than helping her foster family.Not only that she was manipulating Ahana to kill Aryamaan despite knowing that he was not involved in that killing incident.
She didn't choose to be a bystander. You didn't even watch the episode did you ?! She and her mother did every thing they could. What more did you think she should have done , care to elaborate?
You honestly don't think she should have jumped in the middle of a bunch of trained militants and a sapera who killed her mother like nothing , to try to stop the killing , do you ? Because that'd be insane . She did nothing wrong by not trying to stop them when the killing spree started. That'd have been utterly foolish and suicidal and her life was vital for being the powerful ally that she is .
She did nothing wrong in encouraging Ahana to kill Aryaman, who is still a Suri and he'd have gone to the Suris first thing to tell them about Ahana ( as we saw ) so she was protecting Ahana's secret which is key to their mission. She was right in doing so. Do you even understand the stakes here ? So many innocents will die and an entire country will go up in fire if they fail.
I don't deny Bharni being a loyal ally.Her efforts need to be appreciated the way she's currently standing rock solid behind her Naagrani but her flaws need to be exposed too.
And when did I compare Ahana and Aryamaan's character? I had pointed out the flaws in both the characters.
Again you're blaming the victim of stalking instead of focusing on the stalker. Sigh ! Whatever Radhika and her husband did or didn't, doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman's stalking of a married woman for five years. Mike drop. So just because they didn't notice or didn't contact police ( there could literally be 100 reasons for that ) , it's okay to stalk ?
Mike Drop yeah right? Mike Drop huh? Don't read the full comments and give a judgemental reply or level baseless allegations right.Here's my reply-
Now let's tackle the stalking allegation-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.
And yes my point was logical bcoz I was arguing from a pure story-line perspective-that a man is unjustifiable stalking a woman for 5 years yet that same woman has chosen not only to return but even enter that same stalker's company.
But you only brought up the topic of Radhika or her husband not contacting the law enforcement when the discussion was on Aryaman's stalking. You're completely and absolutely defending his stalking. If you'd brought this up as a discussion point to Radhika's character study that'd have been different.
Ofcourse Radhika has some hidden purpose or motive behind her actions, be it rejecting Aryaman on their wedding day , or pretending to be married or joining his company again. Everyone knows that and understands that.
But those motives have nothing to do with Aryaman being a stalker and no, it's not just problematic, it's literally a criminal offense .
Neither me nor anybody else supports stalking here.
So Here's what I have expressed and if you want to talk about victim blaming so much the how about this highly objectionable statement- I'd whole heartedly cheer Vikram if he ruins Pinky's life now. She deserves it for what they did with him. That'll be such a fitting comeuppance.
Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.
After all this was your statement right- No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.
Wanna be the judge jury and executioner huh?
I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.
Getting back to Vikram yup he's been a loyal buddy for Aryamaan but look at what he's doing now-Inviting Aryamaan's ex-flame into the company by alloting a Power of Attorney.
He's absolutely justified in not only bringing Radhika back , he is justify in doing anything he does against Aryaman and his evil sister Pinky whi ruined his life.
So according to you , a woman is allowed to ruin a man's life and he can't even retaliate? So who's playing the gender card here ?
Vikram agreed to Aryamaan's pleas out of sympathy for him agreed but what was he doing in that 1 year duration during his contact with Pinky?
What contact? He never loved Pinky. He made it clear from day 1. I wrote at length about it in another post. He doesn't owe either Pinky or Aryaman any thing. But Aryaman and Pinky owe him a lot.
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