Naagin 7: Episode Discussion Thread #2 - Page 76

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

I finished AKOTSK yesterday and I now exactly which character you're talking about. Yes absolutely.

Being noble is the most addictive virtue for viewers. Villains may hold our interest for a fleeting moment but our heart will forever beat for the hero. That too only if villains are exceptionally well written or end up having great character arcs to become heroes themselves , like Loki from Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The way I'm mourning baelor is like I lost my goddamn husband. This is worse than Ned for me 😭

Originally posted by: salta

The way I'm mourning baelor is like I lost my goddamn husband. This is worse than Ned for me 😭

NGL, I really thought I was prepared since I've read both the novella and the graphic novel versions of it . But I wasn't! I cried like a baby when he died !

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

NGL, I really thought I was prepared since I've read both the novella and the graphic novel versions of it . But I wasn't! I cried like a baby when he died !

When he came, and was telling them how to treat Dunk's wounds I REALLY THOUGHT that they decided to change this aspect...

But nope.

Also I remember that Martin said in an interview that if baelor and his line had succeeded Targaryens wouldn't have been deposed. The entire GoT story wouldn't have happened because a ruler like him wouldn't mess things up.

Originally posted by: MannMeinRadha

A coin has two sides-not just only one side-Har Sikke ke Do Pahlu hote hain.When Ahana had arrived at the dating venue thinking it was arranged by Vikram seeing Arya in place of Vikram she deduced correctly that Aryamaan had sent that SMS from Vikram's cellphone.

If she wanted she could have left from there why did she chose to stay back and not only stay back under Arya's manipulation in her overconfidence she chose to continue the date with him.Any sensible woman in her place would have immediately left the venue.

You do realize what you're doing is victim blaming and basically excusing criminal activities because it was the victim's fault that she didn't anticipate that the man she was with would turn out to be a predator in the mask of a gentleman ?

No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.

What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable however Ahana knew that even her dating moments were being recorded on Arya's cellphone yet she chose to stay back and enjoy her date there.Didn't she stay there bcoz of her strong feelings for Arya? Ahana knew that she was enjoying her date with her sworn enemy right before Arya was proved innocent.

So ??? So what ?? How does that in any way excuse or nullify what Aryaman did ? From Aryaman's perspective ,he planned it completely with an evil intent and he was trying to ruin the life of an innocent girl with zero guilt or remorse ,like a classic psychopath. Aryaman literally pretended to extend an olive branch and Ahana took him up for it. How'd she know he'd stoop so far as to drug her drinks and record her inappropriately with bad intent ? And since she didn't know, how's she at fault for staying back and not Aryaman for being a predator ? Could be clear here?

What if she was not naagin ? Aryaman didn't know that she's naagin , right ? So he was trying to ruin an ordinary girl and you're supporting that ?

He sedated her to extract her confession and the motive behind her intentions of marrying Vikram.He never crossed the line like Ravish with regards to Ahana's dignity.

He never crossed the line ?? Are you for real ?? He crossed the line so many times in so many ways in the span of a single episode it was nearing a world record.

Had Bharni not used that AI trick Ahana's Naagin secret would have got exposed in front of the Suris then yet Ahana in her overconfidence under-estimated Arya's curosity and suspicious nature.Her secret including the Naag-Mandir was discovered by Arya and she had to use some memory-loss magic to wipe out that significant part of Arya's memory.

Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she was just a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge everything on her shoulders with only Bharni to help her.

And here, Aryaman is a criminal . So , I'd take a flawed person who's still learning the ropes of the job over a criminal any day. But that's just me.

Aryaman only did every thing out of selfish motives and petty revenge . And Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're incomparable.

And yeah let's include Vikram here too-He was engaged in a relationship with Pinky for around 1 year before choosing Ahana.So why didn't Vikram refuse Pinky then? Why was he in a relationship with Pinky for around 1 year?

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

I'd whole heartedly cheer Vikram if he ruins Pinky's life now. She deserves it for what they did with him. That'll be such a fitting comeuppance.

Now let's tackle the stalking allegation-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.But its not that he has gone near the Kothari premises only once he was going there for around 5 years and yet neither Radhika nor her mate Purab ever chose to take action regarding the same.Why was Arya not handed over to the cops?

Again you're blaming the victim of stalking instead of focusing on the stalker. Sigh ! Whatever Radhika and her husband did or didn't, doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman's stalking of a married woman for five years. Mike drop. So just because they didn't notice or didn't contact police ( there could literally be 100 reasons for that ) , it's okay to stalk ?

You do realize what you're doing is victim blaming and basically excusing criminal activities because it was the victim's fault that she didn't anticipate that the man she was with would turn out to be a predator in the mask of a gentleman ?

No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.

First of all stop putting words in my mouth all right. When I stated that A coin has two sides-not just only one side-Har Sikke ke Do Pahlu hote hain I know what I was stating and have you even cared to read the full statement of mine or just glossed through it?

I had already stated that - What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

And if you have still have not understood my point let me explain this in simple layman terms- A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.

When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.

So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.

When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs. So care to explain how its victim-blaming here huh?

Now let's get back to Ahana here-she's a fictional character first second as a Naagin she's been quite confident blessed with an equally sharp mind yet it cannot be denied that inspite of her sharpness she has flaws within her character. And I was exposing those flaws within her character like any Naagin fan.

In Ahana's case not only she knew her so called Predator but is in even in love with that Predator speaking in your terms though I don't agree with this word.

And her relationship with Vikram is not even genuine.So wasn't she playing with the feelings of Vikram then though it was a part of her deception tactic.

And yes irrespective of gender if a crime or any unfortunate incident happens with any individual then proper laws are there to resolve the same.

It seems fans like you have a habit of mixing fictional issues with real life and that too without any logic.Do you know the difference between real and fictional world before passing judgement on others huh?

So ??? So what ?? How does that in any way excuse or nullify what Aryaman did ? From Aryaman's perspective ,he planned it completely with an evil intent and he was trying to ruin the life of an innocent girl with zero guilt or remorse ,like a classic psychopath. Aryaman literally pretended to extend an olive branch and Ahana took him up for it. How'd she know he'd stoop so far as to drug her drinks and record her inappropriately with bad intent ? And since she didn't know, how's she at fault for staying back and not Aryaman for being a predator ? Could be clear here?

What if she was not naagin ? Aryaman didn't know that she's naagin , right ? So he was trying to ruin an ordinary girl and you're supporting that ?

Really? Are you living under some hypnosis or illusion? Care to see the word Condemnable huh?

Regarding Ahana being an ordinary girl and not a Naagin well read my above point that's your answer. Any ordinary girl ought to run away at 100 miles per hour from such fake romantic dates.

Yes I agree with your point that Ahana might not have known about Arya's sedating trick but she did know that Arya was highly suspicious regarding her motives and character. And yes again for reminder she loves Arya not Vikram.

And perhaps Arya could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

He never crossed the line ?? Are you for real ?? He crossed the line so many times in so many ways in the span of a single episode it was nearing a world record.

When I said that he never crossed the line I meant that he never took unfair advantage of Ahana's unconscious state and left the venue.I don't agree with his sedating or recording tactics however it cannot be denied that he even never took advantage of her right after their wedding too.

Even the so called Radhika was never taken advantage of by Aryamaan inspite of her betrayal towards him otherwise she would not have even entered into a relationship with a Predator right.

In contrast what Ravish did with Purvi's sibling that Fake Ananta was disgusting and criminal to say the least.Taking advantage of a woman's feeling right after love confession including making her pregnant and playing with her feelings is pathetic and sick.

And Arya never did that with either Radhika or Ahana.

As far as Ahana is concerned despite being fictional I do empathize with her pain and feelings.Those Suri intruders not only killed her family but they did the inhuman act of killing an innocent soul ( a pure loving baby who's not yet come into this world) which was there in Fake Ananta's womb.

The loss of a family even if a foster one can never be replaced.Even boatloads of money can never be the substitute for a deep and loving bond with a Family.

Ahana's sibling loved her like her own sister despite her earlier plain jane look.She took great care of her and still advises her lovingly in her spirit form too.That's the kind of unbreakable and deep bond both Purvi and Fake Ananta share with each other-a loving sisterly relation.

Those intruders have not only finished a loving family but even put countless innocent lives in danger during that Mahakumbh Festival.Those Suri intruders deserve no mercy.

Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she was just a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge everything on her shoulders with only Bharni to help her.

And here, Aryaman is a criminal . So , I'd take a flawed person who's still learning the ropes of the job over a criminal any day. But that's just me.

Aryaman only did every thing out of selfish motives and petty revenge . And Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're incomparable.

Read my above comments for your answer. I had already explained in detail and need not repeat the same here.

And also you have yourself supported my point- Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she wasjust a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge...

Regarding your point- Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're... incomparable.

Oh! So now you have realized that Ananta is fighting for all the above mentioned things then what about these comments by you-

As for Bharni, everything Ananta has done or achieved so far is atleast 60 % because of Bharni and 40 % because of her own skills. Bharni has so far done much more for the mission and shown outstanding moral character and upholding of duties than any other character in the story , including protagonist Ananta. Anyone who denies that is not being honest .

Infact, every single time Ananta is in hot soup she's rescued Ananta from tight spots, sacrificed her own mother, did everything that is required to bring about Ananta's transformation. She's basically multitasking on so many fronts and that too with so much patience , grace and single minded focus. Ananta can learn a lotttt from her.

You were giving percentages I was gonna address these too but I left the same respecting your POV.

Your admirable Bharni chose herself to be a bystander and stab her Naagrani rather than helping her foster family.Not only that she was manipulating Ahana to kill Aryamaan despite knowing that he was not involved in that killing incident.

I don't deny Bharni being a loyal ally.Her efforts need to be appreciated the way she's currently standing rock solid behind her Naagrani but her flaws need to be exposed too.

And when did I compare Ahana and Aryamaan's character? I had pointed out the flaws in both the characters.

Again you're blaming the victim of stalking instead of focusing on the stalker. Sigh ! Whatever Radhika and her husband did or didn't, doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman's stalking of a married woman for five years. Mike drop. So just because they didn't notice or didn't contact police ( there could literally be 100 reasons for that ) , it's okay to stalk ?

Mike Drop yeah right? Mike Drop huh? Don't read the full comments and give a judgemental reply or level baseless allegations right.Here's my reply-

Now let's tackle the stalking allegation-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.

And yes my point was logical bcoz I was arguing from a pure story-line perspective-that a man is unjustifiable stalking a woman for 5 years yet that same woman has chosen not only to return but even enter that same stalker's company.

Neither me nor anybody else supports stalking here.

So Here's what I have expressed and if you want to talk about victim blaming so much the how about this highly objectionable statement- I'd whole heartedly cheer Vikram if he ruins Pinky's life now. She deserves it for what they did with him. That'll be such a fitting comeuppance.

Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.

After all this was your statement right- No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.

Wanna be the judge jury and executioner huh?

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

Getting back to Vikram yup he's been a loyal buddy for Aryamaan but look at what he's doing now-Inviting Aryamaan's ex-flame into the company by alloting a Power of Attorney.

Vikram agreed to Aryamaan's pleas out of sympathy for him agreed but what was he doing in that 1 year duration during his contact with Pinky?

Originally posted by: masked

You do realize what you're doing is victim blaming and basically excusing criminal activities because it was the victim's fault that she didn't anticipate that the man she was with would turn out to be a predator in the mask of a gentleman ?

No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.

First of all stop putting words in my mouth all right. When I stated that A coin has two sides-not just only one side-Har Sikke ke Do Pahlu hote hain I know what I was stating and have you even cared to read the full statement of mine or just glossed through it?

I had already stated that - What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

And if you have still have not understood my point let me explain this in simple layman terms- A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.

When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.

So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.

When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs. So care to explain how its victim-blaming here huh?

Now let's get back to Ahana here-she's a fictional character first second as a Naagin she's been quite confident blessed with an equally sharp mind yet it cannot be denied that inspite of her sharpness she has flaws within her character. And I was exposing those flaws within her character like any Naagin fan.

In Ahana's case not only she knew her so called Predator but is in even in love with that Predator speaking in your terms though I don't agree with this word.

And her relationship with Vikram is not even genuine.So wasn't she playing with the feelings of Vikram then though it was a part of her deception tactic.

And yes irrespective of gender if a crime or any unfortunate incident happens with any individual then proper laws are there to resolve the same.

It seems fans like you have a habit of mixing fictional issues with real life and that too without any logic.Do you know the difference between real and fictional world before passing judgement on others huh?

So ??? So what ?? How does that in any way excuse or nullify what Aryaman did ? From Aryaman's perspective ,he planned it completely with an evil intent and he was trying to ruin the life of an innocent girl with zero guilt or remorse ,like a classic psychopath. Aryaman literally pretended to extend an olive branch and Ahana took him up for it. How'd she know he'd stoop so far as to drug her drinks and record her inappropriately with bad intent ? And since she didn't know, how's she at fault for staying back and not Aryaman for being a predator ? Could be clear here?

What if she was not naagin ? Aryaman didn't know that she's naagin , right ? So he was trying to ruin an ordinary girl and you're supporting that ?

Really? Are you living under some hypnosis or illusion? Care to see the word Condemnable huh?

Regarding Ahana being an ordinary girl and not a Naagin well read my above point that's your answer. Any ordinary girl ought to run away at 100 miles per hour from such fake romantic dates.

Yes I agree with your point that Ahana might not have known about Arya's sedating trick but she did know that Arya was highly suspicious regarding her motives and character. And yes again for reminder she loves Arya not Vikram.

And perhaps Arya could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

He never crossed the line ?? Are you for real ?? He crossed the line so many times in so many ways in the span of a single episode it was nearing a world record.

When I said that he never crossed the line I meant that he never took unfair advantage of Ahana's unconscious state and left the venue.I don't agree with his sedating or recording tactics however it cannot be denied that he even never took advantage of her right after their wedding too.

Even the so called Radhika was never taken advantage of by Aryamaan inspite of her betrayal towards him otherwise she would not have even entered into a relationship with a Predator right.

In contrast what Ravish did with Purvi's sibling that Fake Ananta was disgusting and criminal to say the least.Taking advantage of a woman's feeling right after love confession including making her pregnant and playing with her feelings is pathetic and sick.

And Arya never did that with either Radhika or Ahana.

As far as Ahana is concerned despite being fictional I do empathize with her pain and feelings.Those Suri intruders not only killed her family but they did the inhuman act of killing an innocent soul ( a pure loving baby who's not yet come into this world) which was there in Fake Ananta's womb.

The loss of a family even if a foster one can never be replaced.Even boatloads of money can never be the substitute for a deep and loving bond with a Family.

Ahana's sibling loved her like her own sister despite her earlier plain jane look.She took great care of her and still advises her lovingly in her spirit form too.That's the kind of unbreakable and deep bond both Purvi and Fake Ananta share with each other-a loving sisterly relation.

Those intruders have not only finished a loving family but even put countless innocent lives in danger during that Mahakumbh Festival.Those Suri intruders deserve no mercy.

Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she was just a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge everything on her shoulders with only Bharni to help her.

And here, Aryaman is a criminal . So , I'd take a flawed person who's still learning the ropes of the job over a criminal any day. But that's just me.

Aryaman only did every thing out of selfish motives and petty revenge . And Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're incomparable.

Read my above comments for your answer. I had already explained in detail and need not repeat the same here.

And also you have yourself supported my point- Ofcourse she made a lot of mistakes while executing her plans ! But that makes her a flawed character and for even that she gets judged very strongly and her mistakes were counted again and again, though like some weeks ago she wasjust a normal girl living a normal life and all on a sudden she's the weight of the country, crown, family revenge...

Regarding your point- Ananta is literally fighting for her family , naaglok and country. By intentions and motives alone, they're... incomparable.

Oh! So now you have realized that Ananta is fighting for all the above mentioned things then what about these comments by you-

As for Bharni, everything Ananta has done or achieved so far is atleast 60 % because of Bharni and 40 % because of her own skills. Bharni has so far done much more for the mission and shown outstanding moral character and upholding of duties than any other character in the story , including protagonist Ananta. Anyone who denies that is not being honest .

Infact, every single time Ananta is in hot soup she's rescued Ananta from tight spots, sacrificed her own mother, did everything that is required to bring about Ananta's transformation. She's basically multitasking on so many fronts and that too with so much patience , grace and single minded focus. Ananta can learn a lotttt from her.

You were giving percentages I was gonna address these too but I left the same respecting your POV.

Your admirable Bharni chose herself to be a bystander and stab her Naagrani rather than helping her foster family.Not only that she was manipulating Ahana to kill Aryamaan despite knowing that he was not involved in that killing incident.

I don't deny Bharni being a loyal ally.Her efforts need to be appreciated the way she's currently standing rock solid behind her Naagrani but her flaws need to be exposed too.

And when did I compare Ahana and Aryamaan's character? I had pointed out the flaws in both the characters.

Again you're blaming the victim of stalking instead of focusing on the stalker. Sigh ! Whatever Radhika and her husband did or didn't, doesn't in any way excuse Aryaman's stalking of a married woman for five years. Mike drop. So just because they didn't notice or didn't contact police ( there could literally be 100 reasons for that ) , it's okay to stalk ?

Mike Drop yeah right? Mike Drop huh? Don't read the full comments and give a judgemental reply or level baseless allegations right.Here's my reply-

Now let's tackle the stalking allegation-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.

And yes my point was logical bcoz I was arguing from a pure story-line perspective-that a man is unjustifiable stalking a woman for 5 years yet that same woman has chosen not only to return but even enter that same stalker's company.

Neither me nor anybody else supports stalking here.

So Here's what I have expressed and if you want to talk about victim blaming so much the how about this highly objectionable statement- I'd whole heartedly cheer Vikram if he ruins Pinky's life now. She deserves it for what they did with him. That'll be such a fitting comeuppance.

Do you realize the gravity of such statements before even writing the same-Pinky might be manipulative or obsessed but has she ruined Vikram's life? No right so what has given you the god-damn right to either support or decide what should a human being do to another human beings life or in your own statement-Its all right if a man ruins a woman's life huh.

After all this was your statement right- No wonder most girls fear revealing the crimes done against them. They know they'll be the one to be judged and not the criminal men, if they dare to come forward.

Wanna be the judge jury and executioner huh?

I've already talked about it in another post. Not only Vikram did absolutely nothing wrong, Pinky and Aryaman both should be ashamed and beg for his forgiveness for how they'd taken advantage of his kindness, good heart and friendship. If you've friends like Aryaman you don't need enemies.

Getting back to Vikram yup he's been a loyal buddy for Aryamaan but look at what he's doing now-Inviting Aryamaan's ex-flame into the company by alloting a Power of Attorney.

Vikram agreed to Aryamaan's pleas out of sympathy for him agreed but what was he doing in that 1 year duration during his contact with Pinky?

IF you think that the only way aryaman can cross the line is by SA a woman(btw stalking is counted as harassment), but I guess the only thing which means anything to you is PHYSICAL VIOLENT ASSAULT, I don't think there's any way to understand your point.

Originally posted by: masked

Getting back to Vikram yup he's been a loyal buddy for Aryamaan but look at what he's doing now-Inviting Aryamaan's ex-flame into the company by alloting a Power of Attorney.

Vikram agreed to Aryamaan's pleas out of sympathy for him agreed but what was he doing in that 1 year duration during his contact with Pinky?

You've defended Aryaman's stalking, roofing and s! utshaming a woman so obviously it's not gonna be hard for you, because you don't see anyone as a person in the story except Aryaman BUT, lemme ask you honestly WHY SHOULDN'T VIKRAM DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO RUIN ARYAMAN? WHY SHOULD HE BE A LOYAL FRIEND TO HIM WHEN ARYA ISN'T?

Vikram supported Arya through his breakup.

He agreed to be with pinky despite having zero interest just for Arya sake, it's literally a forced marriage. Even the engagement was hidden from him.

And after that Arya backstabs him, and gives him the same pain he has been suffering for five years.

So until now ONLY Vikram was being a friend, Arya did nothing. Vikram supported Arya and Arya repaid Vikram by marrying his ex gf. So why shouldn't Vikram do everything in his power to hurt aryaman when Arya has made it very clear that he doesn't care about Vikram at all, he just wants to use him.

No, no one technically don't "hates" Erul, we all love Akashdeep as well as Erul even if he's negative, even after getting such a small screen space, he overshadows the ML, he deserves more screen space than that drunkard who's good for nothing

Originally posted by: salta

1. Not even every woman would've left, if there's a rivalry going on then finding more about your enemy is a smart thing to do.

2. She's not a woman. She's naagin. She's confident because she's naagin and her opponents are human. That's why staying was the smart thing.

Well that's your perspective as a Naagin fan and I have a right to have an alternative opinion as any other Naagin fan.

Actually NO, she didn't know she's being recorded. That's why she's shocked w the video. And btw EVEN if she's enjoying the date that doesn't give you a right to roofie someone. If someone accepts a drink from you, that doesn't mean they've consented to being drugged and recorded.

Well here's my answer- Looks like even you have not understood my POV clearly so let me again repeat the same-

A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.

When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.

So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.

When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs.

And here's the second one-What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

So in pretty clear simple terms-Sedating or recording was condemnable and he could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

Again I know its a broken record-let me ask-Who does Ahana love-Vikram or Aryamaan?

She herself chose to stay back and enjoy her date with Arya despite knowing about the SMS trick bcoz of her love for Aryamaan.Can this fact be denied?

He very much crossed the line with ahana' dignity. A woman's dignity isn't in just her body, that mediaeval thought that if you SA a woman it's HER dignity which is compromised. Her dignity was the first thing he attacked in front of everyone when he also was drinking, roofing, taking non consensual videos, flirting, with her BEST FRIEND'S FIANCE. He was doing the same and more and yet he s!utshames Ahana.

Read my above point if have not read it again clearly- Sedating or recording was condemnable and he could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

And yes again regarding the dignity point-When I said that he never crossed the line I meant that he never took unfair advantage of Ahana's unconscious state and left the venue.I don't agree with his sedating or recording tactics however it cannot be denied that he even never took advantage of her right after their wedding too.

Even the so called Radhika was never taken advantage of by Aryamaan inspite of her betrayal towards him otherwise she would not have even entered into a relationship with a Predator right.

Do you think that Radhika would have chosen to enter into a relationship with Aryamaan if she had seen Aryamaan repeating Ravish's disgusting tactics?

I don't mean to say that Aryamaan's a Holy Saint.Nope he's clearly not one.He's an impulsive toxic individual with a cynical personality.

So in short he has flaws and if he's being given the Hammer and Tongs treatment its agreeable however I have a right to present a balanced viewpoint too like any other Naagin fan right.

Yes, that's a tactical mistake on Ahana part. Not a character one though, like in Aryaman's case.

Character one-Isn't Ahana a fictional character huh?

Because he's a good friend. Are you purposely ignoring what they showed us? When Aryaman asked him to be with Pinki he's disheveled, absolutely drunk and looked like hell. If a broken hearted soon to be dying best friend of mine asked me to do something I'd find it hard in myself to say no. Vikram passes this with flying colors, it's aryaman who doesn't, at all. He IS THE WORST FRIEND TO EXIST.

Purposely ignoring? Have you seen the episode clearly where when Aryamaan was giving Vikram a sound beating he had stated that he knew about Vikram being in contact with Pinky for around 1 year.

Yeah, again you're excusing Arya actions using other people's actions. It could be that she didn't know that he's doing this. It could be that she and her 'husband' are psycho freaks who are into this. But IT DOESN'T MATTER because we're not discussing them. We're discussing Aryaman. He's a stalker. And a stalker of 5 years doesn't come off as a good person in any situation.

I am excusing Arya's actions well then you are excusing or giving a free-pass to Radhika's betrayal- Again, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HER EXCEPT SHE LEFT ARYA for some reason. These will be revealed, and we can just theorise and as I said earlier, I can think of both positive and negative reasons of her doing what she did.

I have stated pretty much clearly before-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.And I think I am pretty much right here bcoz you and that other fan seems to have got a peculiar habit of stretching the arguments so yeah I have done the same.

I had replied to your POV with a balanced opinion without being judgemental huh.

Yes she might have or might not have known about Arya's stalking but then why return back into the same stalker's Media Company after clearly saying No to him?

Since you wanna be judgemental then don't you think any woman would surely like to stay far far away from her ex whether she's married or single? Would she again rejoin the same company managed by her ex?

It seems a gender-based card is being played here rather than being given a proper objective reply.

1. The other seasons were HIT.

2. Even this season is a hit, that isn't because of how Arya is. While, in other seasons ML provided a good love story, Arya doesn't even do that

3. Cynical ML doesn't mean a$$hole. Pre blood wedding Arya was cynical he wasn't an a#shole. That's the difference. being cynical was fine, but being an alcoholic stalker, roofing women's drinks, taking non consensual pics/vids, s!utshaming women, betraying your best friend isn't Fine.

Again refer to my above points for the reply.

So they lost powers. Bharani and uttara have been waiting for decades at least for their monarch. Ananta is special because she's powers. If those powers are removed there's nothing much. She's not the naagrani anymore. How can you say that the curse thing is just a weak defense despite not knowing and writers making it clear that there are going to be different rules? Different conditions? She was ready to take any punishment, she's not afraid of that. She's never ever shown any hesitancy when it comes to serving ananta. She's NOTHING but 100% loyal and dedicated (until now, I can't predict the future).

I have heard and saw the curse thing before its nothing new and I do know that there are subtle differences in every Naagin season.Its the CV's prerogative on how they present the same.

Regarding the curse argument being a weak defense Bharni has already executed the first betrayal didn't she- Bharni chose herself to be a bystander and stab her Naagrani rather than helping her foster family.Not only that she was manipulating Ahana to kill Aryamaan despite knowing that he was not involved in that killing incident.

So stabbing the Naagrani and manipulating her Queen to kill a human being who's not even involved in killing the family is all right as per your opinion?

Well Ananta hasn't shown any concern for anyone except Aryaman and her family's revenge. No, those naagins weren't delusional because they're saving actually someone worthwhile. Here naagin is busy risking her life because she's in a pathetic one sided love with Aryaman. And yeah, bharani turning her back on ananta because she's Arya delulu makes complete sense to me.

Thanx a lot for agreeing regarding the earlier Naagins huh.

That's heartbreak. We know that he's gone through something terrible and it's changed his perspective forever. We don't see him stalking or doing any such shit. I know plenty of people who changed permanently after a serious relationship ended, none of them are obsessed with their ex'. It's just their perception of life love and relationship changes forever. That's precisely what pre blood wedding Arya was.

Agreed but know the difference here.Stalking part is entirely wrong but the character we are talking about here is entirely fictional.Every character whether its Positive/Negative or Grey can be strongly criticised without being judgemental or waving a gender-based flag.

Yeah because watching her with her husband in front of him everyday, much closer is way more painful for him. Radhika wasn't coming alone was she? She comes with her husband.

And that same wedding is a fake one not even a real one right when it comes to Radhika?

I never said that they are marriage was an arranged forced marriage, their relationship would be, for audience. OFC Ahana was manipulating Aryaman.

It was a deceptive wedding from Arya side. He didn't know that ahana is into this. He very much forcibly married a woman who was his best friend fiance.

You are yourself contradicting your statements.First clarify what do you mean to say-Forced Wedding or a deceptive wedding and if its deceptive then I have already clearly explained why the wedding was not deceptive.

2. WHY do Arya fans think that it's him not worshipping ahana which makes his character problematic? Pre blood wedding Arya wasn't worshipping anyone and he WAS ADORED. It's him being a a$$Hole criminal that people have a problem

Arya Fan who's an Arya-Fan here? Just because he's defended here despite his flaws so whoever defends him he's an Arya-Fan.

I have criticized his flaws and pointed out his good points too so IMO that's called having a balanced perspective.

Oh PLEASE. Your emotions and actions are your responsibility. If women started to act like this every woman will be a psycho killer. You get dumped, move on. If you can't ruin your own life. It doesn't give you excuse to be a stalker criminal. It's like you'll blame everyone else for Arya's actions. Everyone is guilty of not behaving according to how Mr Arya wants.

Care to read my comments or read my earlier posts-

Arya's love was one sided only just like Ahana.He got played big time.His character needs to move on from Radhika now.

5 years are more than enough to realise the futility of a one sided love story.

Neither you nor that other fan read my posts clearly and start waving a gender-based flag or level baseless allegations.I will again repeat-Stop putting words in my mouth all right.

You have an alternative POV that's perfectly fine with me but if you wanna be judgemental then expect the same reciprocation from my side too.

You're right, Suri family is far more interesting than ML himself

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