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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: masked

1. Not even every woman would've left, if there's a rivalry going on then finding more about your enemy is a smart thing to do.

2. She's not a woman. She's naagin. She's confident because she's naagin and her opponents are human. That's why staying was the smart thing.

Well that's your perspective as a Naagin fan and I have a right to have an alternative opinion as any other Naagin fan.

Actually NO, she didn't know she's being recorded. That's why she's shocked w the video. And btw EVEN if she's enjoying the date that doesn't give you a right to roofie someone. If someone accepts a drink from you, that doesn't mean they've consented to being drugged and recorded.

Well here's my answer- Looks like even you have not understood my POV clearly so let me again repeat the same-

A woman who's already in a relationship with her man- That same man introduces her to his buddy or let's say best buddy.Suddenly one day that woman receives an SMS invitation for a romantic date not even a casual meet up but a proper romantic date.

When that woman arrives at the venue she sees not her man but that best buddy.She's able to figure out that even though the SMS might have been sent from her man's cellphone that SMS was sent by that man's best buddy.

So let's me ask you a simple question then-What would the woman do then? Logical answer-She would run away as fast as she can from that venue and inform her man about the same.

When couples are in a relationship they both date each other and don't go on date with their respective best buddies unless one of the other parties want to betray their mates behind their backs.

And here's the second one-What Arya did drugging the whisky was calculative yet condemnable . So in short I never supported Arya's tactic of sedating her.

If Arya was a complex type ML with negative shades then also his tactic would have been equally condemnable. So here's the key word here-Condemnable.

So in pretty clear simple terms-Sedating or recording was condemnable and he could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

Again I know its a broken record-let me ask-Who does Ahana love-Vikram or Aryamaan?

She herself chose to stay back and enjoy her date with Arya despite knowing about the SMS trick bcoz of her love for Aryamaan.Can this fact be denied?

He very much crossed the line with ahana' dignity. A woman's dignity isn't in just her body, that mediaeval thought that if you SA a woman it's HER dignity which is compromised. Her dignity was the first thing he attacked in front of everyone when he also was drinking, roofing, taking non consensual videos, flirting, with her BEST FRIEND'S FIANCE. He was doing the same and more and yet he s!utshames Ahana.

Read my above point if have not read it again clearly- Sedating or recording was condemnable and he could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

And yes again regarding the dignity point-When I said that he never crossed the line I meant that he never took unfair advantage of Ahana's unconscious state and left the venue.I don't agree with his sedating or recording tactics however it cannot be denied that he even never took advantage of her right after their wedding too.

Even the so called Radhika was never taken advantage of by Aryamaan inspite of her betrayal towards him otherwise she would not have even entered into a relationship with a Predator right.

Do you think that Radhika would have chosen to enter into a relationship with Aryamaan if she had seen Aryamaan repeating Ravish's disgusting tactics?

I don't mean to say that Aryamaan's a Holy Saint.Nope he's clearly not one.He's an impulsive toxic individual with a cynical personality.

So in short he has flaws and if he's being given the Hammer and Tongs treatment its agreeable however I have a right to present a balanced viewpoint too like any other Naagin fan right.

Yes, that's a tactical mistake on Ahana part. Not a character one though, like in Aryaman's case.

Character one-Isn't Ahana a fictional character huh?

Because he's a good friend. Are you purposely ignoring what they showed us? When Aryaman asked him to be with Pinki he's disheveled, absolutely drunk and looked like hell. If a broken hearted soon to be dying best friend of mine asked me to do something I'd find it hard in myself to say no. Vikram passes this with flying colors, it's aryaman who doesn't, at all. He IS THE WORST FRIEND TO EXIST.

Purposely ignoring? Have you seen the episode clearly where when Aryamaan was giving Vikram a sound beating he had stated that he knew about Vikram being in contact with Pinky for around 1 year.

Yeah, again you're excusing Arya actions using other people's actions. It could be that she didn't know that he's doing this. It could be that she and her 'husband' are psycho freaks who are into this. But IT DOESN'T MATTER because we're not discussing them. We're discussing Aryaman. He's a stalker. And a stalker of 5 years doesn't come off as a good person in any situation.

I am excusing Arya's actions well then you are excusing or giving a free-pass to Radhika's betrayal- Again, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HER EXCEPT SHE LEFT ARYA for some reason. These will be revealed, and we can just theorise and as I said earlier, I can think of both positive and negative reasons of her doing what she did.

I have stated pretty much clearly before-Yes stalking a married woman is wrong and Arya's personality does not come out with flying colors here.And I think I am pretty much right here bcoz you and that other fan seems to have got a peculiar habit of stretching the arguments so yeah I have done the same.

I had replied to your POV with a balanced opinion without being judgemental huh.

Yes she might have or might not have known about Arya's stalking but then why return back into the same stalker's Media Company after clearly saying No to him?

Since you wanna be judgemental then don't you think any woman would surely like to stay far far away from her ex whether she's married or single? Would she again rejoin the same company managed by her ex?

It seems a gender-based card is being played here rather than being given a proper objective reply.

1. The other seasons were HIT.

2. Even this season is a hit, that isn't because of how Arya is. While, in other seasons ML provided a good love story, Arya doesn't even do that

3. Cynical ML doesn't mean a$$hole. Pre blood wedding Arya was cynical he wasn't an a#shole. That's the difference. being cynical was fine, but being an alcoholic stalker, roofing women's drinks, taking non consensual pics/vids, s!utshaming women, betraying your best friend isn't Fine.

Again refer to my above points for the reply.

So they lost powers. Bharani and uttara have been waiting for decades at least for their monarch. Ananta is special because she's powers. If those powers are removed there's nothing much. She's not the naagrani anymore. How can you say that the curse thing is just a weak defense despite not knowing and writers making it clear that there are going to be different rules? Different conditions? She was ready to take any punishment, she's not afraid of that. She's never ever shown any hesitancy when it comes to serving ananta. She's NOTHING but 100% loyal and dedicated (until now, I can't predict the future).

I have heard and saw the curse thing before its nothing new and I do know that there are subtle differences in every Naagin season.Its the CV's prerogative on how they present the same.

Regarding the curse argument being a weak defense Bharni has already executed the first betrayal didn't she- Bharni chose herself to be a bystander and stab her Naagrani rather than helping her foster family.Not only that she was manipulating Ahana to kill Aryamaan despite knowing that he was not involved in that killing incident.

So stabbing the Naagrani and manipulating her Queen to kill a human being who's not even involved in killing the family is all right as per your opinion?

Well Ananta hasn't shown any concern for anyone except Aryaman and her family's revenge. No, those naagins weren't delusional because they're saving actually someone worthwhile. Here naagin is busy risking her life because she's in a pathetic one sided love with Aryaman. And yeah, bharani turning her back on ananta because she's Arya delulu makes complete sense to me.

Thanx a lot smiley24smiley24for agreeing regarding the earlier Naagins huh.

That's heartbreak. We know that he's gone through something terrible and it's changed his perspective forever. We don't see him stalking or doing any such shit. I know plenty of people who changed permanently after a serious relationship ended, none of them are obsessed with their ex'. It's just their perception of life love and relationship changes forever. That's precisely what pre blood wedding Arya was.

Agreed but know the difference here.Stalking part is entirely wrong but the character we are talking about here is entirely fictional.Every character whether its Positive/Negative or Grey can be strongly criticised without being judgemental or waving a gender-based flag.

Yeah because watching her with her husband in front of him everyday, much closer is way more painful for him. Radhika wasn't coming alone was she? She comes with her husband.

And that same wedding is a fake one not even a real one right when it comes to Radhika?


I never said that they are marriage was an arranged forced marriage, their relationship would be, for audience. OFC Ahana was manipulating Aryaman.

It was a deceptive wedding from Arya side. He didn't know that ahana is into this. He very much forcibly married a woman who was his best friend fiance.

You are yourself contradicting your statements.First clarify what do you mean to say-Forced Wedding or a deceptive wedding and if its deceptive then I have already clearly explained why the wedding was not deceptive.

2. WHY do Arya fans think that it's him not worshipping ahana which makes his character problematic? Pre blood wedding Arya wasn't worshipping anyone and he WAS ADORED. It's him being a a$$Hole criminal that people have a problem

Arya Fan who's an Arya-Fan here? Just because he's defended here despite his flaws so whoever defends him he's an Arya-Fan.

I have criticized his flaws and pointed out his good points too so IMO that's called having a balanced perspective.

Oh PLEASE. Your emotions and actions are your responsibility. If women started to act like this every woman will be a psycho killer. You get dumped, move on. If you can't ruin your own life. It doesn't give you excuse to be a stalker criminal. It's like you'll blame everyone else for Arya's actions. Everyone is guilty of not behaving according to how Mr Arya wants.

Care to read my comments or read my earlier posts-

Arya's love was one sided only just like Ahana.He got played big time.His character needs to move on from Radhika now.

5 years are more than enough to realise the futility of a one sided love story.

Neither you nor that other fan read my posts clearly and start waving a gender-based flag or level baseless allegations.I will again repeat-Stop putting words in my mouth all right.

You have an alternative POV that's perfectly fine with me but if you wanna be judgemental then expect the same reciprocation from my side too.

Judgmental of you defending a criminal who commits crimes against drunken women? Funny how you say that we're turning into a gender war when ALL ARYA DOES IS HARASS OR COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS TOWARDS WOMEN AND IS A MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE. YEAH everyone is gonna be that. Funny how you keep repeating the same thing rather than giving actual arguments and completely ignored the Vikram Aryaman comment.

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: salta

IF you think that the only way aryaman can cross the line is by SA a woman(btw stalking is counted as harassment), but I guess the only thing which means anything to you is PHYSICAL VIOLENT ASSAULT, I don't think there's any way to understand your point.

Really? Again cherry-picking the points without reading the full context-

Yes I agree with your point that Ahana might not have known about Arya's sedating trick but she did know that Arya was highly suspicious regarding her motives and character. And yes again for reminder she loves Arya not Vikram.

And perhaps Arya could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

You don't like Arya's character its completely fine with me or anybody else here on this forum but it seems you wanna twist the points purposely without reading the full statement huh.

There are positive and negative points in every character-hell I or even other fans have expressed admiration for Erul too but in a different manner so even that is not permissible smiley37smiley37smiley37



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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: salta

You've defended Aryaman's stalking, roofing and s! utshaming a woman so obviously it's not gonna be hard for you, because you don't see anyone as a person in the story except Aryaman BUT, lemme ask you honestly WHY SHOULDN'T VIKRAM DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO RUIN ARYAMAN? WHY SHOULD HE BE A LOYAL FRIEND TO HIM WHEN ARYA ISN'T?

Vikram supported Arya through his breakup.

He agreed to be with pinky despite having zero interest just for Arya sake, it's literally a forced marriage. Even the engagement was hidden from him.

And after that Arya backstabs him, and gives him the same pain he has been suffering for five years.

So until now ONLY Vikram was being a friend, Arya did nothing. Vikram supported Arya and Arya repaid Vikram by marrying his ex gf. So why shouldn't Vikram do everything in his power to hurt aryaman when Arya has made it very clear that he doesn't care about Vikram at all, he just wants to use him.

Really?Then you have defended Radhika's betrayal and Bharni's stabbing of Ahana too.What exactly are you hinting at?

Going by your weird twisted POV then you would say falsely that I have defended Ravish's actions too huh.Are you delusional or what?

I don't need your certificate here and as far as I am concerned its your POV that Aryamaan's a criminal and what not? You wanna go hammer and tongs at him that's perfectly fine but if a good point is raised you want to impose your viewpoint on me? Who gave you the right to do that huh?

Cared to read the word-Condemnable or even that has escaped your eyes huh?


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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: masked

Really? Again cherry-picking the points without reading the full context-

Yes I agree with your point that Ahana might not have known about Arya's sedating trick but she did know that Arya was highly suspicious regarding her motives and character. And yes again for reminder she loves Arya not Vikram.

And perhaps Arya could have used a non-invading tactic to know about Ahana like when he smartly sent his associate to know the connection between Ahana and her Dad Dhawan without inviting her on a date or invading her privacy.

You don't like Arya's character its completely fine with me or anybody else here on this forum but it seems you wanna twist the points purposely without reading the full statement huh.

There are positive and negative points in every character-hell I or even other fans have expressed admiration for Erul too but in a different manner so even that is not permissible smiley37smiley37smiley37



She absolutely DID NOT know about his roofing the drink or recording trick.

Even if she loves aryaman what does that prove? Even if she stayed there because she was enjoying it how does it matter?

So according to you IF a woman drinks with anyone, then it's on her that she gets roofied/recorded or anything else?

'could have ' 'would have ' 'should have'... We're not talking about hypotheticals. We're talking about what happened.

What positive traits? According to you apparently the fact that he doesn't assault anyone is a very heroic quality. Rest of us can't see that

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Originally posted by: salta

Judgmental of you defending a criminal who commits crimes against drunken women? Funny how you say that we're turning into a gender war when ALL ARYA DOES IS HARASS OR COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS TOWARDS WOMEN AND IS A MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE. YEAH everyone is gonna be that. Funny how you keep repeating the same thing rather than giving actual arguments and completely ignored the Vikram Aryaman comment.

Oh yeah I am being Judgemental here.Who started waving the gender-based flag here?

Funny how you say that we're turning into a gender war when ALL ARYA DOES IS HARASS OR COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS TOWARDS... TOWARDS WOMEN AND IS A MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE. YEAH everyone is gonna be that.

Please start an Arya Hate Fan club IDC. And yes I know perfectly Arya's dumb views regarding the womenfolk and have written about the same so you needn't repeat the same here.

You have chosen to excuse Radhika's betrayal too funny right?

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Originally posted by: masked

Oh yeah I am being Judgemental here.Who started waving the gender-based flag here?

Funny how you say that we're turning into a gender war when ALL ARYA DOES IS HARASS OR COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS TOWARDS... TOWARDS WOMEN AND IS A MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE. YEAH everyone is gonna be that.

Please start an Arya Hate Fan club IDC. And yes I know perfectly Arya's dumb views regarding the womenfolk and have written about the same so you needn't repeat the same here.

You have chosen to excuse Radhika's betrayal too funny right?

Girlll radhika did a shitty thing. Nobody defends that. However nobody buys that just because you get dumped once you should turn into a psychopath

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Originally posted by: salta

She absolutely DID NOT know about his roofing the drink or recording trick.

Even if she loves aryaman what does that prove? Even if she stayed there because she was enjoying it how does it matter?

So according to you IF a woman drinks with anyone, then it's on her that she gets roofied/recorded or anything else?

'could have ' 'would have ' 'should have'... We're not talking about hypotheticals. We're talking about what happened.

What positive traits? According to you apparently the fact that he doesn't assault anyone is a very heroic quality. Rest of us can't see that

Forget about everyone else Yeah so you wanna impose a one sided narrative on this forum here. Every fan has their own perspective and viewpoints.

And you are constantly putting words in my mouth which I have not even said-

So according to you IF a woman drinks with anyone, then it's on her that she gets roofied/recorded or anything...else?

'could have ' 'would have ' 'should have'... We're not talking about hypotheticals. We're talking about what... happened.

I have narrated about a woman purposely going on a fake date and not running away from the same despite knowing this simple fact of an SMS trick.But it seems in your irrational hatred for a character you yourself crossed the line first by putting words in my mouth.

The point was about a fictional character Ahana right and pointing out her flaws.Its so plain and simple,

But you wanna put or lable false viewpoints on me.

I don't think I or anybody else here supports what happened with Ahana in that fake date but you don't get the right to decide or even impose that I cannot have an alternative viewpoint regarding the same.

That's entirely my POV so if you don't like it that's your problem not mine.



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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: salta

Girlll radhika did a shitty thing. Nobody defends that. However nobody buys that just because you get dumped once you should turn into a psychopath

Really? I saw you defending her and I don't like it so let me paraphrase your point-

You support a man or a woman playing with any other human beings feelings toy with their emotions and then throw them away like some discarded object.

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Originally posted by: masked

Really? I saw you defending her and I don't like it so let me paraphrase your point-

You support a man or a woman playing with any other human beings feelings toy with their emotions and then throw them away like some discarded object.

You've no issue QT entire essays SO SHOW ME WHERE I DEFENDED Radhika ditching Arya.

Girllll boyyyy nobody gives a damn about a fking breakup. Everyone gets dumped/cheated on.

That's not an excuse for committing crimes.

He got dumped...BIG DEAL? BOO FKING HOO. And btw you've been repeating complex ML complex ML... What's complex about him? Dude is an entitled alcoholic stalker misogynist classist all because one girl whom he had known for one week left him. That's all. There's nothing else.

His entire whining is about one breakup. Everyone else has more trauma complexity in the show. Poor ravish would have more to think about in his life.

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Originally posted by: salta

You've no issue QT entire essays SO SHOW ME WHERE I DEFENDED Radhika ditching Arya.

Girllll boyyyy nobody gives a damn about a fking breakup. Everyone gets dumped/cheated on

That's not an excuse for committing crimes.

You've no issue QT entire essays SO SHOW ME WHERE I DEFENDED Radhika ditching Arya.

Really?So please show me where I have supported that Arya did the right thing by sedating Ahana.Or I have written that Arya is a flawless character.

About the breakup the less said the better-already I have expressed what needed to be said so even IDC about the same now.

I have given you the answer in your own standard false viewpoint.

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