Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 17

Originally posted by: Moor278

Just why there shouldnt be a negative DK

https://x.com/i/status/2020875227584942562

I cant open the link, but I too hope Dhairya will not turn negative.

When the leap news came, I did not like that Mannat will be with Dhairya but Ronnie and Neetu are there too so its no issue for me. I liked the Indore team. Neetu got her payback but prefer her mute and less of Mannat’s maa jaap.

What I did not expect was the extend of Mannat's trauma. Ronnie and mostly Dhairya have been a strong support for Mannat and the family. If Dhairya turns negative, it will have bigger effect on Dua. In her own words, Dhairya loves her more than Mannat. She has known him as Baba for her whole life, giving her a chance to grew up in a loving family environment and she is very protective of them❤️.

I knew Ayesha is good with kids, but so does Manit. His scenes with Dua are really good, same with Bunty, he is like their own kid.

At the end of the day, how a characters turns out is in the maker's hand. Maybe he will get diverted, but hopefully finds his way back.

Originally posted by: ChaoticTangles

Bold: That's the point na moor, makers have completely erased mistakes of dk that now we feel if they show his grey shades it looks like they are putting down dk to elevate vik...but how will it be putting down dk when there were already grey shades of him pre leap.. He too was played by malla, aish, vish showing he is gullible, he didn't care if his brother's relationship would get effected and did things on karwachauth, he too was shown to be angry and impulsive.. , his selfish side is explored when him being a police officer entrusted with public safety..got out a cold blooded murder out of jail for his selfish objectives...

So, if going ahead if they show him being manipulated again by vish/malla and getting selfish, insecure about manvik and try to create MU, how is it putting him down... putting him down would be getting traits which are against his original character traits.. Isn't it??... In fact putting down a character would be what they did to vik.. Initial character graph of vik is that he does have anger issues but he never crossed boundaries even in anger... but the entire terrace allegations is so confusing with respect to vik actions..so much so that we still discuss it, and thats because we cannot make sense of his actions according to character graph...

If at all they introduce some traits new in dk against his character graph like him being a insensitive, materialistic person like his mum or them turing his character completely negative...then I am with you that they are putting him down... But if at all they are exploring his initial character traits like him being not so smart, angry, impulsive, a bit selfish ... then it's not putting him down, and neither does it elevate vik.. because it would make both of them almost on same scale which they were/are

Didn't realise I tagged you in between the conversation 😅

You may have to do some homework. Start from page 11 where I posted a tweet on why DK shouldn't be negative... please read through both parts.

Just to give you a heads up, me and RD have been on this since leap and most passionately since Indore episodes 😝

I do agree with you that DK has done some questionable stuff. But my point to RD always has been that whether he intended to separate ManVik or not.

If he didnt... as per what is shown in episodes so far... then he is a good man who made some mistakes.

But if he is negative... then everyone except RD is a fool... but then it also casts a shadow on DK Dua relationship which very honestly is one of the few genuine relationships shown in the show.

His flip (where he confessed to Neetu he might have feelings for Mannat) is where I would say the writers pulled him down to elevate Vik.

Had DK remained a friend that would have made Viks task to win Mannat difficult... now its easy because Mannat has to simply realise that DK has feelings for her and she will have to move away or choose DK as a worst case scenario for ManVik fans 🤦‍♀️

The question still remains ki why they had to flip DK. I consider it to be an immoral relationship but thats my personal opinion.

But inspite of all this... what Vik does is irrespective of what DK has done or will do... I hope I am making sense.

To me... DK can never be better than Vik storywise .. and I will never keep any expectations from him for his growth or realization that he messed up. Thats a ML job... not for sidey.

Originally posted by: WittyKittyVixxy

A great deal of all of us arguing amongst ourselves is the lack of clarity why Voldemort brought in Manit in the first place.

Looks like she might have wanted him to be ML/PL but channel probably doesn’t agree, so his character arc is blowing hot & cold.

In this case, it is Adnan.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Didn't realise I tagged you in between the conversation 😅

You may have to do some homework. Start from page 11 where I posted a tweet on why DK shouldn't be negative... please read through both parts.

Just to give you a heads up, me and RD have been on this since leap and most passionately since Indore episodes 😝

I do agree with you that DK has done some questionable stuff. But my point to RD always has been that whether he intended to separate ManVik or not.

If he didnt... as per what is shown in episodes so far... then he is a good man who made some mistakes.

But if he is negative... then everyone except RD is a fool... but then it also casts a shadow on DK Dua relationship which very honestly is one of the few genuine relationships shown in the show.

His flip (where he confessed to Neetu he might have feelings for Mannat) is where I would say the writers pulled him down to elevate Vik.

Had DK remained a friend that would have made Viks task to win Mannat difficult... now its easy because Mannat has to simply realise that DK has feelings for her and she will have to move away or choose DK as a worst case scenario for ManVik fans 🤦‍♀️

The question still remains ki why they had to flip DK. I consider it to be an immoral relationship but thats my personal opinion.

But inspite of all this... what Vik does is irrespective of what DK has done or will do... I hope I am making sense.

To me... DK can never be better than Vik storywise .. and I will never keep any expectations from him for his growth or realization that he messed up. Thats a ML job... not for sidey.

Oh, I got you.... You were talking about dk being negative and not just grey sided.. then may be you are right.. that doesn't go well with story

And any which way I am with you on this, that i want vik's redemption and not because he has to come across a good person in comparison to dk.. but because manvik deserve the best versions of each other both as people and partners, they should push each other to be better people irrespective of anyone else

Originally posted by: Rdigest

Word and let me split this into 2 parts so I can convey the pain point easily

1) bold - absolutely, same way Vikrant finds it difficult that he was stolen from his mother and Mannat out of all was supporting criminals isn't it? Remember Mannat's dialogue to DK today, Vikrant will not support a criminal, ManVik have certain unsaid unwritten expectations from each other.

We are sympathetic to Mannat which she deserves with what she has faced from ARS, why are we not able to extend the same sympathy to Vikrant that he feels deceived by Mannat?

This is why i was asking are we sure it's about parvarish vs paidaish, since Vikrant is quite unlucky, he has 2 criminal mothers and a partial criminal father. He is forced to pick out of the 2 criminals and no one is even willing to understand how deceived he still feels and stuck on the same day 7 years ago.

2. Bold 2 - If we expect Dua can handle the truth about Vikrant being her father, can't she handle the truth if DK comes out as negative. Aren't both of these traumatic? Didn't DK forget his little brother & the life he spent with him in his formative years, his mother and move on with someone he met less than a month ago? So, guess formative years aren't that critical and can be easily replaced atleast in fictional world if they turn out to be vile , just thinking out loud 🤔

Infact story perspective I feel it's good to make Dk full fledged negative so Vikrant and Mannat are both equals in getting fooled by criminals like in the past how they got fooled by Malla and ARS.

Just like Vikrant has to learn a lesson about blind trust on your spouse, Mannat has to learn a lesson about not making decisions for your spouse.

Nice debating after a few weeks

I do have a lot of sympathy for Vikrant because the guy legit had identity crisis so its not easy to digest it, but i have been saying since ages, I hate that he doesnt introspect over things which have happened, like I can understand few days, weeks, months but it has been years. I still dont think he has introspected enough over that 7 years old incident, he needs a nudge or push? Why? Like start going over the people who were involved, go over their history. He saw the supposed good people did bad and supposed bad people did good and he was just satisfied because the latter had saboot. Why not go over all those events?

I will stick to parvarish over paidaish because we also know Vikrant still feels pull towards parvarish despite their supposed evilness, so at the end we know the result. About Dua, she can balance both, just like how Mannat did. She has given places to all 3, gagan, ronnie, aniruddh. She seemed closer to gagan because the time they have spent. I expect same from Dua to carry forward her mother's legacy in this dept.

Now we are keeping dua, a 6 year old kid with dk, a dcp, 30+ years old, in terms of acceptance and letting go. When Dk got to know the truth, he was a fully mature adult & he understood till what extent his supposed mother is evil. More than move on, he had to be with those people beacuse they had no one and he also couldnt be with that side due to the train wreck situation. He chose to stick with more needy lot. Are we expecting this level of understanding and maturity from a 6 years old? She might handle such betrayal well, when she gets older, but at such tender age, where she considers him as an integral part of her family, it wont end well. It will take years to heal her wounds and Vikrant might do that well, i feel, but scars will be there.

Just to keep Mannat Vikrant on par, why do people want dk to be negative? If you ask me, the sides are balanced. They both have a hurdle tied to them and people whom they consider family. Now you will say, how is this balanced? It has balance because they have people as per their temperament. Vikrant is a genuinely good guy but rn he is blindsided, manipulated. He has chosen wrong company to be kept with him just because they presented a truth which suits him. Add onto that, he has kept a tainted wealth with him. He will learn from all this. Mannat got alot of closures pre leap, so she took whatever was left by Vikrant. She will also learn when things will start unfolding more.

Dk doesnt have to be like evil vamps so that Mannat will learn her lesson. I mean, she has already gotten alot of brunt, broken marriage, unwed mother etc etc. If you want her to learn more lessons, then she will, when she will realise till what extent vamps managed to take advantage of this entire domino effect, all this when everyone will know Vikrant didnt know about pregnancy and divorce.

Originally posted by: WittyKittyVixxy

A great deal of all of us arguing amongst ourselves is the lack of clarity why Voldemort brought in Manit in the first place.

Looks like she might have wanted him to be ML/PL but channel probably doesn’t agree, so his character arc is blowing hot & cold.

Both Vikrant & Mannat have made mistakes but in my eyes, till now, Vikrant holds the larger share of it.

Mannat is a lot better at seeing through people - yes Asswarya did fool her for a while.

Today when I saw Ayesha enacting the panic attack thinking Vikrant had come to permanently take Dua away, I truly wondered which of us, could face as much as Mannat did that one day preleap. I would probably shove, push,thappad maro him.

The writing & direction of the show needs to improve. They are truly lucky AdSha have loyal fans who give TRP against all odds.

Till when are we just going to sit & see cobra manipulation, mur*ers, assault etc??

Bold, definitely true and her biggest loss being losing Shurti.

Done debating for the day, but just out of curiosity how should Vikrant react for what he faced that day (This is not about who is more at fault Mannat or Vikrant) ?

By the way I will never block anyone Kitty .

Originally posted by: WittyKittyVixxy

A great deal of all of us arguing amongst ourselves is the lack of clarity why Voldemort brought in Manit in the first place.

Looks like she might have wanted him to be ML/PL but channel probably doesn’t agree, so his character arc is blowing hot & cold.

Both Vikrant & Mannat have made mistakes but in my eyes, till now, Vikrant holds the larger share of it.

Mannat is a lot better at seeing through people - yes Asswarya did fool her for a while.

Today when I saw Ayesha enacting the panic attack thinking Vikrant had come to permanently take Dua away, I truly wondered which of us, could face as much as Mannat did that one day preleap. I would probably shove, push,thappad maro him.

The writing & direction of the show needs to improve. They are truly lucky AdSha have loyal fans who give TRP against all odds.

Till when are we just going to sit & see cobra manipulation, mur*ers, assault etc??

IDK about others but I will speak for myself😜. As such don’t want to get into the arguments because they are futile and for me DK is really the worst 😜🤬. Can’t say about Manit because I have never watched his previous work so no idea how he is as ML/PL.

Why only Mannat’s trauma on wedding day? Vikrant also gone through the trauma on same day. In fact they both are victims of manipulation and lies. Ya Vikrant’s share of mistakes might be bigger but TBH all contributed in that including Mannat and RoTu even DK.

If Mannat lost everything then same goes for Vikrant also. He lost his identity and don’t give me that crap he kept name and property because as per his returned memories Vish is the victim of RoTu and they used their money and power against her and snatched her kid and destroyed their family. Now we know the truth but he doesn’t so for him by taking that power and property he protected his mom.

As such everybody reacts differently to their trauma. The way Mannat reacted and the way Vikrant reacted. In a way they both are stuck on same day. They both lost everything which they held near and dear💔😭. So for me they both are on same page regarding their trauma. She is scared to loose again and him not wanting to face the same pain again 😭

Agree about one thing though writing and direction definitely need to improve. Viewers watch it for AdSha but vamps are getting importance😡. Hope they move in right direction and some truth revelations will definitely help some poor viewers like us😜

Originally posted by: Kidult104

I do have a lot of sympathy for Vikrant because the guy legit had identity crisis so its not easy to digest it, but i have been saying since ages, I hate that he doesnt introspect over things which have happened, like I can understand few days, weeks, months but it has been years. I still dont think he has introspected enough over that 7 years old incident, he needs a nudge or push? Why? Like start going over the people who were involved, go over their history. He saw the supposed good people did bad and supposed bad people did good and he was just satisfied because the latter had saboot. Why not go over all those events?

I will stick to parvarish over paidaish because we also know Vikrant still feels pull towards parvarish despite their supposed evilness, so at the end we know the result. About Dua, she can balance both, just like how Mannat did. She has given places to all 3, gagan, ronnie, aniruddh. She seemed closer to gagan because the time they have spent. I expect same from Dua to carry forward her mother's legacy in this dept.

Now we are keeping dua, a 6 year old kid with dk, a dcp, 30+ years old, in terms of acceptance and letting go. When Dk got to know the truth, he was a fully mature adult & he understood till what extent his supposed mother is evil. More than move on, he had to be with those people beacuse they had no one and he also couldnt be with that side due to the train wreck situation. He chose to stick with more needy lot. Are we expecting this level of understanding and maturity from a 6 years old? She might handle such betrayal well, when she gets older, but at such tender age, where she considers him as an integral part of her family, it wont end well. It will take years to heal her wounds and Vikrant might do that well, i feel, but scars will be there.

Just to keep Mannat Vikrant on par, why do people want dk to be negative? If you ask me, the sides are balanced. They both have a hurdle tied to them and people whom they consider family. Now you will say, how is this balanced? It has balance because they have people as per their temperament. Vikrant is a genuinely good guy but rn he is blindsided, manipulated. He has chosen wrong company to be kept with him just because they presented a truth which suits him. Add onto that, he has kept a tainted wealth with him. He will learn from all this. Mannat got alot of closures pre leap, so she took whatever was left by Vikrant. She will also learn when things will start unfolding more.

Dk doesnt have to be like evil vamps so that Mannat will learn her lesson. I mean, she has already gotten alot of brunt, broken marriage, unwed mother etc etc. If you want her to learn more lessons, then she will, when she will realise till what extent vamps managed to take advantage of this entire domino effect, all this when everyone will know Vikrant didnt know about pregnancy and divorce.

DK turning evil is more than balancing. My question would actually be with the way he conducted himself pre-leap being a cop and post-leap confession why can't he turn negative? Why are we against DK turning negative? We keep comparing him to Malla, if Malla can turn obsessive why not DK, how is he special? Does him being with fl make him special in anyway? Why can't some viewers wish for DK being negative because of what was shown and perceived by these set of viewers?

Bold, aren't these 2 statements contradicting?

About tainted wealth I won't get into details , since other users already commented on this and why I don't think he believes he did anything wrong there. For me with regards to wealth, him taking RoTu's I was ok since Vish asked for it and he was doing this for his mom, him asking for Mannat's shares I was not ok, since Mannat's shares were not his to take.

Hi, some of you might know me from ghum days. I still chat with some of my friends here about Mannat. I started watching it for Ayesha and followed it for a while before slowly switching off...now also I get sucked...only to see if this show survives for the sake of Ayesha. She is putting sincere efforts.

I read the updates now and then, mostly by my ghum friends Moor, Scar and Cooly. We all shared ghum trauma together and have discussed endlessly about redemption, worthiness and being accepted by their soulmate. Hence, coming for that space and to add my two cents to a badly crafted story. Not that I am an expert, but giving some perspective on how leads should be written based on my limited writing experience...

1. DK becoming negative will not make Vik better. If he proves even equal to current DK, he will look superhero. Making DK evil only means Vik gets everything by fate...not because he deserves it. Mannat and Vik can be both wrong. But coming from previleged place, vik abused his power and money. period. He is MORE wrong morally.

2. Given the reputation of the writers, who do not understand how to write real human characters who are mostly grey, they might spoil DK. It will be so toxic then because Dua will be collateral damage in this mess. The girl loved DK. Having a kid subjected to such a trauma shows the writers dont care about emotions!

3. The best possible way to bring back the focus on the leads is to kill DK while saving Dua. May be he can confess to Mannat before that....so Mannat will be heartbroken over DK's death. Not love, just indebtness. Then slowly make Vik stand by her and his kid. He might never be able to replace DK in Dua's life but the kid being only 7 years old and Vik shown patient with her....there is a hope and hence deep rooting from the audience to wish for his full acceptance from Dua. Mannat will anyway accept him.

Can these writers write such emotionally charged plots, I doubt. But they can try! For that to happen, first they have to somehow kill all the vamps in a bombblast. And let UV's OG parents come and take away UV. Vik will get some sympathy to start with and they can implement point 3. and stretch it for an year...

If the writers are lurking here, please consider it. Trust me you will get more TRPs.

PS: Finally posted it! cant see the trauma of fans here.

Welcome back finally you made a post S❤️

Everyone is behind killing DK and I am rooted for making him a villain against everyone's wishes and escaping all the brooms 🙈. I was just telling Roch , I am tired of the all female villain gang and need a male villain

Me wanting DK to turn out psycho doesn't mean a free pass for Vikrant. I still hate the fact they made Vikrant CA Mannat. To top everything the writers aren't even focusing on Vikrant or Mannat's perspective regarding what happened 7 years ago. Instead their sole focus is on side characters and UV.

Hopefully since we are back in Mumbai there will be some story movement 🤞