The Clash Of Ideologies, Civilisations & Cultures - East V/S West. - Page 3

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

There’s nothing to show off here.

Relationships that are truly horrendous are not to be stayed in, absolutely. If you’re being abused, threatened, if your partner or in-laws are toxic to the point where they drive you to insanity, depression or suicidal thoughts, then absolutely go ahead and file for a divorce, a restraining order and get whatever help you need and require.

But I don’t believe in following the model of the Western society blindly completely because in their culture parents send off their children as soon as they’re 16 or so, at a time when kids need perhaps their most guidance, as children themselves they don’t much care about their old parents either. There are people in the western society whose own mothers have no idea who impregnated them with which child, there are men there who are just as bad as what an abusive Indian husband can be like.

Relationships are hard work, even when they’re by blood. That hard work can come in when you’re dealing with a parent, grandparent, sibling, uncle, aunt or niece. And the same courtesy must extend to the person with whom you create a family and have a child with after marrying them.

Indian society is not perfect but so isn’t western society.

Divorce as a concept is not something to glorify or demonise. It is a necessity in today’s society but it must be resorted to only when things are truly bad and not because your husband is balding or wife has gained weight or because you are having an affair with a younger junior at your office and now find yourself bored with your wife or husband of many years at home.

Westerners may seem advanced because they apparently have discovered the secret to no suffering but the truth is as long as you are alive and human you’re bound to suffer in some form or another. Western society today is on the verge of collapse and at a turning point where they’re being threatened by the very people they claimed to have brought in to rescue them.Look at what’s happening in Europe. How do you think they reached there? How did that happen? It didn’t just happen because of nasty, greedy politicians and stupid liberals but it happened because of the collapse of family as an institution.

Britain, the world’s most powerful empire at one point, the country that is the reason of 64 independence days around the world today is inching towards a civil war within its own borders. Why? Because of the collapse of families as an institution that also paved way for more and more asylum seekers that were brought in and settled in the country. Today, millions of young women and girls are victims of grooming gangs in their own homeland with no hope of justice owing to their lack of numbers on the streets. The reason why they were so easily preyed upon is also because they were defenceless and vulnerable owing to a lack of parental and familial support.

Just because they were able to divorce their spouses and cut ties with their families didn’t make the West as a collective a better deal and that’s exactly what we are about to witness in the future ahead of us.

Grooming gangs and criminal immigrants are related to the failed multicultural practises of European governments. Not the social structure per se. Same goes for gun culture in the USA. It's their laws which need amending but are being prevented fanatically by the populace there.

Why can't one divorce their spouse because the marriage is dead (due to whatever reason)? It doesn’t necessarily have to be abuse. Nobody really divorces because of mundane reasons.

Also, blood relatives can be toxic, including your own parents. There's nothing wrong in cutting them off if neccessary. We didn’t choose our relatives, so why suffer? Society would be so much better if we could cut ties with undeserving people upfront. Instead of taking it all in and supressing anger within us.

Western society has many issues, like I said. But if we look closely, we have many of the same issues, but forced to hide it under the garb of 'culture' and 'family respect'. After all, here people are afraid to seek help or report to police for various reasons. Many things are covered up by families for their own 'social standing'.

Western societies accept their faults. We don't. We insist we 'are better than them'.

That's the difference.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Grooming gangs and criminal immigrants are related to the failed multicultural practises of European governments. Not the social structure per se. Same goes for gun culture in the USA. It's their laws which need amending but are being prevented fanatically by the populace there.

Why can't one divorce their spouse because the marriage is dead (due to whatever reason)? It doesn’t necessarily have to be abuse. Nobody really divorces because of mundane reasons.

Also, blood relatives can be toxic, including your own parents. There's nothing wrong in cutting them off if neccessary. We didn’t choose our relatives, so why suffer? Society would be so much better if we could cut ties with undeserving people upfront. Instead of taking it all in and supressing anger within us.

Western society has many issues, like I said. But if we look closely, we have many of the same issues, but forced to hide it under the garb of 'culture' and 'family respect'. After all, here people are afraid to seek help or report to police for various reasons. Many things are covered up by families for their own 'social standing'.

Western societies accept their faults. We don't. We insist we 'are better than them'.

That's the difference.

I don’t know where it seems to you that we insist we are better than them when there are people who will trash our whole country, history, identity, culture etc. without wasting a single second.

We are different than them and we don’t have to be like them is however the truth.

As for the issues with the grooming gangs and immigrants being a failure of the government, and not the collective society; I disagree with you completely.

The failure of family as an institution is the basis of the collapse of a society always.

No government anywhere in the world is gonna come to raise or protect your kids. No government in the world can provide for them, teach them values or boundaries or tell them what do when they’re afraid. Only parents can and do, only family can.

Those governments would have never been able to allow as many immigrants nor would they have felt the need for it if the local population in those countries was having enough children. Look at the countries where the migrant population has become a crisis and you will see that they have lost their fertility rates and their population is declining, that’s why they needed foreign workers. These societies and by extension these countries lost their numbers to individualism.

Those governments had to let these people in because their own local population have reached to a point where there’s no replacement for their population going forward.

That is why in the coming years you will see western society turn against the very concept of diversity and divorce as well. There are already talks going on regarding women going back to kitchens and their voting rights being taken away.

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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

I don’t know where it seems to you that we insist we are better than them when there are people who will trash our whole country, history, identity, culture etc. without wasting a single second.

We are different than them and we don’t have to be like them is however the truth.

As for the issues with the grooming gangs and immigrants being a failure of the government, and not the collective society; I disagree with you completely.

The failure of family as an institution is the basis of the collapse of a society always.

No government anywhere in the world is gonna come to raise or protect your kids. No government in the world can provide for them, teach them values or boundaries or tell them what do when they’re afraid. Only parents can and do, only family can.

Those governments would have never been able to allow as many immigrants nor would they have felt the need for it if the local population in those countries was having enough children. Look at the countries where the migrant population has become a crisis and you will see that they have lost their fertility rates and their population is declining, that’s why they needed foreign workers. These societies and by extension these countries lost their numbers to individualism.

Those governments had to let these people in because their own local population have reached to a point where there’s no replacement for their population going forward.

That is why in the coming years you will see western society turn against the very concept of diversity and divorce as well. There are already talks going on regarding women going back to kitchens and their voting rights being taken away.

Sorry for the overly delayed reply. Yes, there are people who unfairly trash India and it's people, but there are others who are always claiming, "We are the best, Western women are all wh*res". Don't tell me you never came across any such person ever.

Bold: Many of those immigrants are asylum seekers from the Middle East. They were let in on humanitarian grounds. The indigenous people made only one mistake-- being overly tolerant and open to so-called 'multiculturalism'.

Governments hardly make decisions based on what people want. As for fertility decline, the biggest one is happening in Japan, not any Western country.

The big companies want cheap foreign workers since it helps in cost-cutting. And the government makes rules to suit them. That is more the fault of third world governments which cannot provide enough for their people, forcing them to be cheap laborers in other countries. Look at Dubai and Qatar, two very conservative countries and family structures, but with high immigration. So your argument about immigrants and family structures falls apart here.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Sorry for the overly delayed reply. Yes, there are people who unfairly trash India and it's people, but there are others who are always claiming, "We are the best, Western women are all wh*res". Don't tell me you never came across any such person ever.

Bold: Many of those immigrants are asylum seekers from the Middle East. They were let in on humanitarian grounds. The indigenous people made only one mistake-- being overly tolerant and open to so-called 'multiculturalism'.

Governments hardly make decisions based on what people want. As for fertility decline, the biggest one is happening in Japan, not any Western country.

The big companies want cheap foreign workers since it helps in cost-cutting. And the government makes rules to suit them. That is more the fault of third world governments which cannot provide enough for their people, forcing them to be cheap laborers in other countries. Look at Dubai and Qatar, two very conservative countries and family structures, but with high immigration. So your argument about immigrants and family structures falls apart here.

No problem about the delay.

As for third world countries failing - I doubt there’s a single third world country in the world today that was not colonised for centuries in the recent past, including ours. These countries haven’t even had a century of independence but a backlog of god alone knows how many centuries of colonisation and post that neo-colonial rule.

These were the countries that were rich in every manner of speaking when they were invaded, looted, plundered and exploited in every which way from whichever power came and conquered them. The countries that are considered first world today have been built on the loot and plunder of the lands that they bled dry. As for Dubai, Qatar and the likes - they had an oil based economy for which they literally had to do nothing to make it happen. None of the Arabs had to work hard to cultivate oil or grow it, it was literally discovered, by British people and later the Americans came in and took charge. The reason these Middle Eastern countries became rich was because in 1971 Nixon literally made it impossible for them to deny the system he was creating - one that pegged the price of oil against the dollar. Essentially the Americans ensured that the Arabs would sell oil and gas only in lieu of the dollar and that made sure the dollar was the dominant currency even though the Americans were themselves not drilling and extracting their own oil supplies.

The reason these countries could provide the lifestyle that they did for their citizens was because they literally had no choice but to sell their resources in dollar and since they had dollars in abundance they could afford to provide their citizens this lifestyle, which only happened post the 1980s. Their smaller populations and monarchies ensured that there was no resistance and protest of any sort lest anyone had a death wish.

Now that oil as a commodity is loosing its value in the world as everyone is moving towards green energy, they are allowing their women and girls to study, work and also starting to get more liberal because in a post oil, post dollar world; they know that only the very rich will be able to maintain the lifestyle which has become the norm for their people. The average citizen will need more money to survive and they are also gonna start taxing their citizens.

The world as we know it is gonna flip in the next couple of years and the true cost of everything will be revealed where dollar has not suppressed every other currency.