Bigg Boss 19: Daily Discussion Thread - 12th Nov '25 - Page 112

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

Sorry but why do you think that music industry is far more competitive than acting?

In acting, at least there’s a somewhat visible system of auditions - open calls, self-tapes, casting directors. Even if it’s tough, an outsider can still try to break in by sheer persistence. But for music composition, there’s no formal audition process. There isn’t a notice saying “submit your original composition for X film”.or enlighten me if there is one please....

So how do composers get that first big break? Talent? But how can anyone tell that this person is the best person for the music of this movie when there was no audition or competition

Then how? Not by random discovery - but by access. You need to know someone who will listen to your track, trust you with a film or an album, and give you that initial platform.

That’s why in music, network and lineage matter even more than in acting. Because if you’re the son of a known composer, director, or music label insider, your track will at least be heard. An outsider’s track might never even reach the right ears.

Amal is very much Talented..and yes after the first break he didn't need many as his talent and beautiful composition spoke for itself..Talent helps you survive and sustain absolutely but connections open the first door, and without that door opening, no one even gets to witness your talent.

Music is competitive in movies - you cannot compare that to producing mediocre pop songs like Tony Kakkar. Those are self made and produced, so they can churn out whatever they like. In bigger budget movies with established stars music is one of the most important elements of a movie.

I have personally studied music and play an instrument - you cannot wing it - it’s almost a science, You can wing it in acting, which is proven seeing the recent crop of actors. You can look good, dance well and not know how to act and rise to many many opportunities.

I never said about opening the first door, my point was he was sharing his story. GK adding his struggle to it and being condescending about it is not required. Rest it’s a matter of how you look at it. I found what GK did a deliberate attempt to bring up a topic that will connect with a rabid audience always ready to tear down anyone in the name of nepotism.

But yes playback songs in movies for composing is much harder to break into than acting. Even legendary singers and composers have songs shelved and catching dust. Amaal ke khud ke gaane, entire albums he worked on for movies were shelved.

....galti ho gayi

Originally posted by: EXOL

The kirana analogy is always brought in as a defence mechanism but both are not same . it is a livlihood not public opportunity .. they are continuing their private business .. its more of an inheritance compared to merit based industries like bollywood .. is more like locking others out of the market and not merely passing the kirana to ur son… they are never same

Jaane de yaar. Aur nahi hoga mujhse. I agree Nepotism privilege hai but kissi aur ki struggles ka mazak nahi udana theek nahi lagta. Agar kissi ko lagta hai yeh uski struggle hai toh woh hai.

Originally posted by: Deviant_Pixel

Music is competitive in movies - you cannot compare that to producing mediocre pop songs like Tony Kakkar. Those are self made and produced, so they can churn out whatever they like. In bigger budget movies with established stars music is one of the most important elements of a movie.

I have personally studied music and play an instrument - you cannot wing it - it’s almost a science, You can wing it in acting, which is proven seeing the recent crop of actors. You can look good, dance well and not know how to act and rise to many many opportunities.

I never said about opening the first door, my point was he was sharing his story. GK adding his struggle to it and being condescending about it is not required. Rest it’s a matter of how you look at it. I found what GK did a deliberate attempt to bring up a topic that will connect with a rabid audience always ready to tear down anyone in the name of nepotism.

But yes playback songs in movies for composing is much harder to break into than acting. Even legendary singers and composers have songs shelved and catching dust. Amaal ke khud ke gaane, entire albums he worked on for movies were shelved.

Hey❤️I think you’re slightly missing the point of my previous post or may be I could not explain it properly...but

No one denied that music composition and playback singing are difficult or that Amaal isn’t talented he absolutely is... As I always say so many of Amal's songs will forever be in my playlist.I get your point about how demanding and technical music is - absolutely, it’s not something that can be “winged.” Composing or singing at that level requires immense knowledge, discipline, and talent. But the point being made was about access, not ability.

Its about how opportunities begin and who gets to fail safely.Amaal’s first break came through a Salman Khan movie .. that’s not something a random, talented composer from Indore or Kanpur can dream of, no matter how many sleepless nights they spend mastering ragas or production. That’s not just merit, that’s access and access changes the starting line entirely.

Also, regarding GK ...umm let's agree to disagree..as according to me he wasn’t being condescending. He was reacting emotionally, perhaps insensitively, but not strategically. When you’ve struggled 21 years, hustled continuously without a godfather,big production house backing or PR machinery, and finally reached a point where you’re being recognized ,then a kind of fatigue sets in...the kind that builds up after years of rejection, smaller shows shutting down early, and still having to prove his worth every single time...Hearing someone with a star launch talk about “struggle” can feel tone-deaf. It wasn’t about invalidating Amaal’s pain, but about context.... Yes, even insiders face setbacks - albums get shelved, songs don’t release - but they fail within a system that still welcomes them back. Outsiders, meanwhile, fail out of the system.Amaal might face industry politics, but he was never an outsider struggling to be heard. That’s a very different battle altogether.

And bringing up nepotism according to me,isn’t “rabid audience manipulation” -it’s an inevitable conversation when insiders and outsiders coexist in the same space. It’s not about tearing anyone down; it’s about acknowledging privilege.Because since past years industry has become really unfair for outsiders,it rarely gives that door to an outsider without making them bleed for it.

Talent and privilege can coexist. But privilege should be acknowledged not renamed as “reverse nepotism.”

But then it's also related to music...you have a personal connection with it...so I understand you empathising more with a musician probably...and I respect that and your opinion as well...thank you ❤️❤️❤️

Originally posted by: Ritzie

Jaane de yaar. Aur nahi hoga mujhse. I agree Nepotism privilege hai but kissi aur ki struggles ka mazak nahi udana theek nahi lagta. Agar kissi ko lagta hai yeh uski struggle hai toh woh hai.

Originally posted by: EXOL

that i also agree mazaak udana is wrong but countering is ok

Haan, may be. I prefer first to go by face value of a conversation otherwise mujhe trust issues lagte hain. But theek hai, everyone has a choice.

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

Hey❤️I think you’re slightly missing the point of my previous post or may be I could not explain it properly...but

No one denied that music composition and playback singing are difficult or that Amaal isn’t talented he absolutely is... As I always say so many of Amal's songs will forever be in my playlist.I get your point about how demanding and technical music is - absolutely, it’s not something that can be “winged.” Composing or singing at that level requires immense knowledge, discipline, and talent. But the point being made was about access, not ability.

Its about how opportunities begin and who gets to fail safely.Amaal’s first break came through a Salman Khan movie .. that’s not something a random, talented composer from Indore or Kanpur can dream of, no matter how many sleepless nights they spend mastering ragas or production. That’s not just merit, that’s access and access changes the starting line entirely.

Also, regarding GK ...umm let's agree to disagree..as according to me he wasn’t being condescending. He was reacting emotionally, perhaps insensitively, but not strategically. When you’ve struggled 21 years, hustled continuously without a godfather,big production house backing or PR machinery, and finally reached a point where you’re being recognized ,then a kind of fatigue sets in...the kind that builds up after years of rejection, smaller shows shutting down early, and still having to prove his worth every single time...Hearing someone with a star launch talk about “struggle” can feel tone-deaf. It wasn’t about invalidating Amaal’s pain, but about context.... Yes, even insiders face setbacks - albums get shelved, songs don’t release - but they fail within a system that still welcomes them back. Outsiders, meanwhile, fail out of the system.Amaal might face industry politics, but he was never an outsider struggling to be heard. That’s a very different battle altogether.

And bringing up nepotism according to me,isn’t “rabid audience manipulation” -it’s an inevitable conversation when insiders and outsiders coexist in the same space. It’s not about tearing anyone down; it’s about acknowledging privilege.Because since past years industry has become really unfair for outsiders,it rarely gives that door to an outsider without making them bleed for it.

Talent and privilege can coexist. But privilege should be acknowledged not renamed as “reverse nepotism.”

But then it's also related to music...you have a personal connection with it...so I understand you empathising more with a musician probably...and I respect that and your opinion as well...thank you ❤️❤️❤️

Aww even though we somewhat see eye to eye, its nice to indulge in a healthy respectful debate.

I get your point, there is no denying that being from a music family or film family gets your foot in the door. I think my approach was to address that music is harder to nepofy than acting, and where we disagree perhaps is the reasoning behind GK making those comments.

I agree with you on that front, infact i cant disagree with you because those are facts even if i tried (getting a foot in the door). Perhaps we will not agree on GK's motives behind it which is fine.

Nepotism is a valid concern, but for me I have seen it twisted on social media by outsiders whenever it suits them as a flex. This when many outsiders themselves are mediocre. And where I do disagree is there is definitely an audience that uses this word to cyber bully and go crazy without any logic. The origins of this word after all in the entertainment business specifically was from Kangana and then SSR. The way it was used to harass even nepo products IMO was disgusting. So while its definitely very important to acknowledge ones privilege I also think to disregard its not used for clout is not fair.

If someone is speaking to you about their experience, I am not sure he even called it a struggle, the right thing to do is hear them out. You can always speak of your struggle at a different time. For me this is condescending but agree to disagree. Its diminishing someone else when they werent even being rude to you.

Originally posted by: Kinginthenorth9

Where have you been yaar? And why have you stopped watching

This forum definitely misses your presence haha

Baak I do see your where you are coming from with respect to gk, bajaj and pranit and you do make some valir points but frankly speaking show has become so boring in the past few weeks and upar se my fav also left toh I cant even find the motivation to write an essay countering any of it 😂

Yaar it’s so busy at the moment I’m a headless chicken, I’ve been traveling on and off for weeks for work. And upar se show is so shit - kuch dekhne ko hain hi nahi - this is the season without a story LMAO.

Originally posted by: Deviant_Pixel

Aww even though we somewhat see eye to eye, its nice to indulge in a healthy respectful debate.

I get your point, there is no denying that being from a music family or film family gets your foot in the door. I think my approach was to address that music is harder to nepofy than acting, and where we disagree perhaps is the reasoning behind GK making those comments.

I agree with you on that front, infact i cant disagree with you because those are facts even if i tried (getting a foot in the door). Perhaps we will not agree on GK's motives behind it which is fine.

Nepotism is a valid concern, but for me I have seen it twisted on social media by outsiders whenever it suits them as a flex. This when many outsiders themselves are mediocre. And where I do disagree is there is definitely an audience that uses this word to cyber bully and go crazy without any logic. The origins of this word after all in the entertainment business specifically was from Kangana and then SSR. The way it was used to harass even nepo products IMO was disgusting. So while its definitely very important to acknowledge ones privilege I also think to disregard its not used for clout is not fair.

If someone is speaking to you about their experience, I am not sure he even called it a struggle, the right thing to do is hear them out. You can always speak of your struggle at a different time. For me this is condescending but agree to disagree. Its diminishing someone else when they werent even being rude to you.

Okay...you know let's just forget about this GK vs Amaal thing and talk about it in general

I am not even saying don’t launch your kids. Every parent, in every profession, dreams of seeing their child succeed - that’s natural. The issue was never about eradicating nepotism completely, because that’s not realistic. The issue is about creating space for fairness ..about ensuring that outsiders also get genuine chances to prove their worth.

If you’re launching your kids, fine but also open doors for new, deserving talent who don’t come from privilege. Because talent exists beyond surnames.

The frustration isn’t with people helping their children, it’s with the gatekeeping that follows - where the same five families rotate opportunities, recycle faces, and make it nearly impossible for someone without connections to break through.

So yes, it’s their money, their production, their call. But a fairer, merit-based system where at least some proportion of opportunities go to true outsiders would make the industry more credible, more dynamic, and far more respected...

And yes I also agree that mocking someone 's lived experience is wrong, spreading hatred for someone just because they are born to their parents is wrong, acknowledgement of the pressure they go through to not let the expectations on them down, for proving themselves worthy of the opportunity is valid..... But An outsider’s one failure can end their chances forever.An insider’s multiple failures don’t usually end anything because they have safety nets....

I am not saying don't give insiders chance but give the same number of chances to a talented outsider as well....yes...discarding struggle is wrong.But discarding the difference in struggle is also wrong.(Again making clear that I am not talking about show or GK vs Amaal rn)

it's more like

“Your struggle is valid.Mine is valid too.But the systems around us affect us differently -and that difference deserves to be acknowledged.”...

This is what I believe...