B R Chopra Ramayan - Page 21

My Introduction to 'Ramayan' (Television) - Like Every Other 80s Born (Even Ones Born Before That) - Seem Like the Base Depiction That Is Cemented In the Mind to Compare all Actors or Characters that are Ram, Sita, Laxman, Hanuman, Ravan In Future Versions of Ramayan on the Small and Big Screen. Till 2025, I Need to Admit That It Still Beats All of them Outright.

i read online

an interesting information

in valmiki ramayan

uttarkand

sita didn't conceive immediately after the return and coronation but it seems in the second year after coronation

quote

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424813.html

While Sita and Raghava sported thus for a long time, the flowery season, that yields perpetual enjoyment, passed away and, as those two tasted every kind of felicity, Spring appeared once more. One day, having fulfilled the functions of state, that virtuous Prince returned to his palace where he spent the rest of the day. On her side, Sita, having worshipped the Gods and performed her morning duties, offering her services to all her mothers-in-law without distinction, thereafter adorned herself with marvellous jewels and re-joined Rama, like unto Saci when re-united with that God of a Thousand Eyes as he returns to his City Trivishtapa.

Beholding his consort glowing with beauty, Raghava experienced an unequalled delight and exclaimed “It is well!” then he addressed the lovely Sita, who resembled a daughter of the Gods, and said:—

“Now, O Vaidehi, that you dost bear a child in your womb, what dost you desire, O Lady of lovely hips? What pleasure can I prepare for you?”

Smiling, Vaidehi answered Rama, saying:—

“O Raghava, I wish to visit the sacred retreats of the Rishis of rigid penances, who dwell on the banks of the Ganges where they subsist on fruit and roots, and there I will throw myself at their feet, O Lord. O Kakutstha, it is my supreme desire even to pass a night in the hermitage of these ascetics who live on fruit and roots.”

Then Rama of imperishable exploits gave her permission to do so, saying:—

“Be at peace, O Vaidehi, to-morrow without fail, you shalt go there!”

Having answered Maithili, born of Janaka, in this wise, Kakutstha went to the central court surrounded by his friends.

It is saying

second spring

it means in second year

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424840.html

Now, during the night that Shatrughna passed in the leaf-thatched hut, Sita gave birth to two children and, at midnight, the youthful ascetics brought the pleasant and auspicious tidings to Valmiki, saying:—

“O Blessed One, Rama’s consort has given birth to twin sons, do you perform the rites that will preserve them from evil forces.”

Hearing these words, the great Rishi went to see those newly-born Ones, who were as effulgent as the new moon and full of vigour, like unto twin offspring of the Gods.

Coming to w'here Sita was, on beholding those tw’o infants, his heart was filled with delight and he performed the Rakshasa Rite.1 Taking a handful of Kusha Grass with its roots, that Twice-born One, Valmiki, pronounced the formula of protection for the destruction of evil forces, saying:—

“Since they will rub the first born of the children with the Kusha Grass blessed by the aid of Mantras, his name shall be Kusha and, as the last born will be carefully dried by the female ascetics with the roots of the grass, he shall be called Lava. Therefore those two shall be called Kusha and Lava and, by these names that I have given them, they will become renowned.”

Thereafter, the female ascetics purified themselves and reverently received the grass from the hands of the Muni, applying it to the two children. The rite having been performed in the night, Shatrughna hearing the pleasant tidings, the names the children would bear, and Rama’s praises, also that Sita had undergone this double and fortunate birth, approached the leaf-thatched hut where Sita lay and said:—

“O Mother, be you happy!”

Thus, for the magnanimous Shatrughna, that night of the rainy season in the month of Shravana passed joyfully and rapidly and, the next day at dawn, that great hero, having offered up his morning devotions, with joined palms paid obeisance to the Sage and resumed his journey.

After a march of seven days, reaching the banks of the Yamuna, he halted at the hermitage of Rishis of great renown, and that illustrious Prince listened to the pleasant and ancient legends of Cyavana of the line of Bhrigu and of other Sages. In this way, Shatrughna, the son of that foremost of monarchs, King Dasaratha, in great delight, passed the night conversing with the ascetics, of whom Kancana was the leader, on various themes.

shatrughn met most probably and kids were born in shravan month

spring to rainy season

most probably

six months

it means

she left for the forest in third month of pregnancy

she conceived a year after the coronation

please share your opinion on the information

Originally posted by: cuteamanboy

i read online

an interesting information

in valmiki ramayan

uttarkand

sita didn't conceive immediately after the return and coronation but it seems in the second year after coronation

quote

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424813.html

While Sita and Raghava sported thus for a long time, the flowery season, that yields perpetual enjoyment, passed away and, as those two tasted every kind of felicity, Spring appeared once more. One day, having fulfilled the functions of state, that virtuous Prince returned to his palace where he spent the rest of the day. On her side, Sita, having worshipped the Gods and performed her morning duties, offering her services to all her mothers-in-law without distinction, thereafter adorned herself with marvellous jewels and re-joined Rama, like unto Saci when re-united with that God of a Thousand Eyes as he returns to his City Trivishtapa.

Beholding his consort glowing with beauty, Raghava experienced an unequalled delight and exclaimed “It is well!” then he addressed the lovely Sita, who resembled a daughter of the Gods, and said:—

“Now, O Vaidehi, that you dost bear a child in your womb, what dost you desire, O Lady of lovely hips? What pleasure can I prepare for you?”

Smiling, Vaidehi answered Rama, saying:—

“O Raghava, I wish to visit the sacred retreats of the Rishis of rigid penances, who dwell on the banks of the Ganges where they subsist on fruit and roots, and there I will throw myself at their feet, O Lord. O Kakutstha, it is my supreme desire even to pass a night in the hermitage of these ascetics who live on fruit and roots.”

Then Rama of imperishable exploits gave her permission to do so, saying:—

“Be at peace, O Vaidehi, to-morrow without fail, you shalt go there!”

Having answered Maithili, born of Janaka, in this wise, Kakutstha went to the central court surrounded by his friends.

It is saying

second spring

it means in second year

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424840.html

Now, during the night that Shatrughna passed in the leaf-thatched hut, Sita gave birth to two children and, at midnight, the youthful ascetics brought the pleasant and auspicious tidings to Valmiki, saying:—

“O Blessed One, Rama’s consort has given birth to twin sons, do you perform the rites that will preserve them from evil forces.”

Hearing these words, the great Rishi went to see those newly-born Ones, who were as effulgent as the new moon and full of vigour, like unto twin offspring of the Gods.

Coming to w'here Sita was, on beholding those tw’o infants, his heart was filled with delight and he performed the Rakshasa Rite.1 Taking a handful of Kusha Grass with its roots, that Twice-born One, Valmiki, pronounced the formula of protection for the destruction of evil forces, saying:—

“Since they will rub the first born of the children with the Kusha Grass blessed by the aid of Mantras, his name shall be Kusha and, as the last born will be carefully dried by the female ascetics with the roots of the grass, he shall be called Lava. Therefore those two shall be called Kusha and Lava and, by these names that I have given them, they will become renowned.”

Thereafter, the female ascetics purified themselves and reverently received the grass from the hands of the Muni, applying it to the two children. The rite having been performed in the night, Shatrughna hearing the pleasant tidings, the names the children would bear, and Rama’s praises, also that Sita had undergone this double and fortunate birth, approached the leaf-thatched hut where Sita lay and said:—

“O Mother, be you happy!”

Thus, for the magnanimous Shatrughna, that night of the rainy season in the month of Shravana passed joyfully and rapidly and, the next day at dawn, that great hero, having offered up his morning devotions, with joined palms paid obeisance to the Sage and resumed his journey.

After a march of seven days, reaching the banks of the Yamuna, he halted at the hermitage of Rishis of great renown, and that illustrious Prince listened to the pleasant and ancient legends of Cyavana of the line of Bhrigu and of other Sages. In this way, Shatrughna, the son of that foremost of monarchs, King Dasaratha, in great delight, passed the night conversing with the ascetics, of whom Kancana was the leader, on various themes.

shatrughn met most probably and kids were born in shravan month

spring to rainy season

most probably

six months

it means

she left for the forest in third month of pregnancy

she conceived a year after the coronation

Wow i never knew about this before

Thanks for sharing

Originally posted by: cuteamanboy

i read online

an interesting information

in valmiki ramayan

uttarkand

sita didn't conceive immediately after the return and coronation but it seems in the second year after coronation

quote

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424813.html

While Sita and Raghava sported thus for a long time, the flowery season, that yields perpetual enjoyment, passed away and, as those two tasted every kind of felicity, Spring appeared once more. One day, having fulfilled the functions of state, that virtuous Prince returned to his palace where he spent the rest of the day. On her side, Sita, having worshipped the Gods and performed her morning duties, offering her services to all her mothers-in-law without distinction, thereafter adorned herself with marvellous jewels and re-joined Rama, like unto Saci when re-united with that God of a Thousand Eyes as he returns to his City Trivishtapa.

Beholding his consort glowing with beauty, Raghava experienced an unequalled delight and exclaimed “It is well!” then he addressed the lovely Sita, who resembled a daughter of the Gods, and said:—

“Now, O Vaidehi, that you dost bear a child in your womb, what dost you desire, O Lady of lovely hips? What pleasure can I prepare for you?”

Smiling, Vaidehi answered Rama, saying:—

“O Raghava, I wish to visit the sacred retreats of the Rishis of rigid penances, who dwell on the banks of the Ganges where they subsist on fruit and roots, and there I will throw myself at their feet, O Lord. O Kakutstha, it is my supreme desire even to pass a night in the hermitage of these ascetics who live on fruit and roots.”

Then Rama of imperishable exploits gave her permission to do so, saying:—

“Be at peace, O Vaidehi, to-morrow without fail, you shalt go there!”

Having answered Maithili, born of Janaka, in this wise, Kakutstha went to the central court surrounded by his friends.

It is saying

second spring

it means in second year

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/doc424840.html

Now, during the night that Shatrughna passed in the leaf-thatched hut, Sita gave birth to two children and, at midnight, the youthful ascetics brought the pleasant and auspicious tidings to Valmiki, saying:—

“O Blessed One, Rama’s consort has given birth to twin sons, do you perform the rites that will preserve them from evil forces.”

Hearing these words, the great Rishi went to see those newly-born Ones, who were as effulgent as the new moon and full of vigour, like unto twin offspring of the Gods.

Coming to w'here Sita was, on beholding those tw’o infants, his heart was filled with delight and he performed the Rakshasa Rite.1 Taking a handful of Kusha Grass with its roots, that Twice-born One, Valmiki, pronounced the formula of protection for the destruction of evil forces, saying:—

“Since they will rub the first born of the children with the Kusha Grass blessed by the aid of Mantras, his name shall be Kusha and, as the last born will be carefully dried by the female ascetics with the roots of the grass, he shall be called Lava. Therefore those two shall be called Kusha and Lava and, by these names that I have given them, they will become renowned.”

Thereafter, the female ascetics purified themselves and reverently received the grass from the hands of the Muni, applying it to the two children. The rite having been performed in the night, Shatrughna hearing the pleasant tidings, the names the children would bear, and Rama’s praises, also that Sita had undergone this double and fortunate birth, approached the leaf-thatched hut where Sita lay and said:—

“O Mother, be you happy!”

Thus, for the magnanimous Shatrughna, that night of the rainy season in the month of Shravana passed joyfully and rapidly and, the next day at dawn, that great hero, having offered up his morning devotions, with joined palms paid obeisance to the Sage and resumed his journey.

After a march of seven days, reaching the banks of the Yamuna, he halted at the hermitage of Rishis of great renown, and that illustrious Prince listened to the pleasant and ancient legends of Cyavana of the line of Bhrigu and of other Sages. In this way, Shatrughna, the son of that foremost of monarchs, King Dasaratha, in great delight, passed the night conversing with the ascetics, of whom Kancana was the leader, on various themes.

shatrughn met most probably and kids were born in shravan month

spring to rainy season

most probably

six months

it means

she left for the forest in third month of pregnancy

she conceived a year after the coronation

I have read this version and this is my opinion and I could be wrong...

Kids were born in the month of Shravana... which is ... July to August, if I am not mistaken...?

If that is the case, going back 10 months approximately puts the conception around October...?

If I am right, Rama was crowned in Spring. Somewhere during March-April maybe... or May...?

So it was Spring already and being a new monarch He would needed time for things to settle down until he had enough time for his wife. So, it was possibly about half a year or 8 months later but I don't think it's a year.

Also, this same version mentions Valmiki telling those in his ashrama and the female ascetics that Sita is about to give birth soon - which means she is definitely atleast 7 or 8 months already. Assuming the kids were born at 10 months gestational period... (Not sure about this, twins tend to be born a bit early, I think...?) Sita must have been exiled at the end of Spring.

Another interesting description: the twins are described to be as 'efflugent as the new moon'

Very interesting description...

in our epics

gestational period is believed to be of ten months

not nine months

as considered nowadays

i think premature delivery is all in the today's concept not ancient one

thanks for sharing your opinion

i didn't know

coronation happened in spring

i think it was few days after return

but

is there any reason for delay

is there any auspicious moment decided by vashishth

but reading the lines it seems the couple enjoyed felicity of two springs

anyway

palaces of the brothers are little away from each other as much that they went on chariot to the respective palaces

but nothing mentioned if other three couples conceived simultaneously or in quick succession

at least the first child of each couple was born in the same year keeping months difference

i think

sometimes analyze the right moment of couple union from the intent of conceiving an auspicious child

may be it was also analyzed before

as they were divine couples

they have control over their senses and desires

Originally posted by: cuteamanboy

in our epics

gestational period is believed to be of ten months

not nine months

as considered nowadays

i think premature delivery is all in the today's concept not ancient one

thanks for sharing your opinion

i didn't know

coronation happened in spring

i think it was few days after return

but

is there any reason for delay

is there any auspicious moment decided by vashishth

but reading the lines it seems the couple enjoyed felicity of two springs

anyway

palaces of the brothers are little away from each other as much that they went on chariot to the respective palaces

but nothing mentioned if other three couples conceived simultaneously or in quick succession

at least the first child of each couple was born in the same year keeping months difference

Gestational period even now is 10 months. I wondered if it could be longer during Sathya and Tretha Yuga since humans were stronger and larger than today. Also, twins tend to be born a bit earlier since bearing two babies strains the mother and there's a chance that this triggers birth quicker than a single child.

Although astrologers and sages might have given them auspicious days, I doubt they were enforced. In my opinion it was really upto the couple. Besides, with people being respectful and sages and astrologers being genuine those days, the couple usually dutifully listen to their guidance/instructions.

As for Rama's younger brothers I am guessing quick succession. They probably waited for the good news of the queen's pregnancy. Most probably the brothers didn't want to cause issues with succession if they had kids before Rama.

During the exile Rama was the only one who had to practice austerities. Lakshmana decided to follow it too, same with Bharatha and Shathrugana. Although none of them had restrictions, they waited dutifully until Rama had a successor.

Originally posted by: cuteamanboy

i think

sometimes analyze the right moment of couple union from the intent of conceiving an auspicious child

may be it was also analyzed before

as they were divine couples

they have control over their senses and desires

Well, they're divine, hence whatever they do will be right always

i agree

twins are born earlier than usual

don't know what was during earlier times

in valmiki ramayan

after the putrakameshthi yagya

it's said

six seasons have passed before the birth of brothers

as far as i know six seasons are there in a year

it means a year passed before their birth