YRKKH BTS, SM updates & Spoilers Thread #118 - Page 87

Originally posted by: Pn29

What he has done cannot be reversed he cannot give back abhira those 7 years . For 7 years she has been living in gulit her confidence everything is shattered.

What i am hating the most is how easily armaan is trusting gitnajali with maira and did not have that much faith in abhira. He let her become the part of their world and just thrown out abhira from his world like she was nothing. I am sorry I am ranting too much about armaan but i don't kone whenever I see him with gitanjali with all those word I just feel puching his face like anything.

I don't know. I feel that he is not trusting Geetanjali with Maira the way people are reacting. For him, she is a support system who has helped him take care of his daughter when he needs. But he doesn't trust her. If he did, she would know everything about his past. But she knows absolutely nothing, because for Armaan she is just someone Maira is comfortable around. That's it from what I can see.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Again I will say that my post was in a response to one that spoke about Armaan being happy or lucky in the last 7 years - which he has not been. He has not been enjoying his life in all this time like a lot of viewers would like to project. That is his choice for sure & he is facing the consequences of his own decisions.

And like all of us know, that unless he takes responsibility for his actions and actually does something to address and rectify the mistakes he made 7 years earlier, neither of the 2 most important people in his life - Abhira & Maira or even himself, would be truly happy. And as much as people would like to think otherwise, Abhira is as important a part of Armaans life as Maira is, which is why he has not allowed Maira to call anyone else "Mumma" and neither allowed anyone else to replace Abhira in his life as his partner & parent to Maira.

@bold does addressing someone else as Mumma matter more than giving real mother right to live with her daughter? He entrusts Maira with Geetanjali a complete stranger more than her own biological mother Abhira. Geetanjali get to live, pamper and form a bond with Maira from the time Maira was 3 years old but real mother Abhira wasn't given the right. What he did were just mistakes? I would have still understood him preferring Geetanjali as a partner over Abhira but..

Originally posted by: Pn29

What he has done cannot be reversed he cannot give back abhira those 7 years . For 7 years she has been living in gulit her confidence everything is shattered.

What i am hating the most is how easily armaan is trusting gitnajali with maira and did not have that much faith in abhira. He let her become the part of their world and just thrown out abhira from his world like she was nothing. I am sorry I am ranting too much about armaan but i don't kone whenever I see him with gitanjali with all those word I just feel puching his face like anything.

@bold: But that is not exactly the narrative that they are showing right? Even ignoring the fact that Maira is not a baby now and is a 7 year old, what is being shown is how much he still wants to do all things by himself for good or bad...he might let Gitanjali involved because of circumstances ( created by himself I agree) but not because he like even after almost 4 years.. Lots of instances including the milk scene where he said he will give himself, packing up one, cooking one, him being upset that Maira first told Gitanjali instead of him..

Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

@bold does addressing someone else as Mumma matter more than giving real mother right to live with her daughter? He entrusts Geetanjali a complete stranger more than Abhira. Geetanjali get to live, pamper and form a bond with Maira but real mother Abhira wasn't given the right. What he did were just mistakes?

Again what is your defination of a "bond". I am a mom and I know that my child will remain mine and I will take all decisions for that child, even if he has a better "bond" with someone else. I don't need to be everything for my child. Here Geetanjali is more of a "friend" to Maira who can give her advice because she is older. She is in no way able to replace her "mumma" in Maira's life. When Maira tried, even then Armaan shut it down multiple times. That tells me that even Armaan has given her very limited access to Maira and absolutely no haq for taking any decisions for her. So how is she replacing Abhira in any form? Geetanjali jo abhi kar rahi hai is something I assume she could do after being Maira's teacher in school and her neighbour & building familiarity with her. Usse zyada aur koi equation vanne hi nahi diya Armaan ne Maira ka kisi aur ke saath. So how does she even compared to Abhira, ho us bachchi ki maa hai aur humesha rahegi, even for Armaan.

Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

Armaan didn't do it all in one single day like WD, which they showed for previous generations. Armaan did it all gradually from Maira's birth till now..what he did during leap was just an extension of what he had been doing during surrogacy track..even post-leap there is a similar pattern till now..He can't control everything, if something wrong is about to happen it will even if Maira is with him.

Again I will say that my post was in a response to one that spoke about Armaan being happy or lucky in the last 7 years - which he has not been. He has not been enjoying his life in all this time like a lot of viewers would like to project. That is his choice for sure & he is facing the consequences of his own decisions.

And like all of us know, that unless he takes responsibility for his actions and actually does something to address and rectify the mistakes he made 7 years earlier, neither of the 2 most important people in his life - Abhira & Maira or even himself, would be truly happy. And as much as people would like to think otherwise, Abhira is as important a part of Armaans life as Maira is, which is why he has not allowed Maira to call anyone else "Mumma" and neither allowed anyone else to replace Abhira in his life as his partner & parent to Maira.

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But why he is called unlucky and why he is not happy. He should be on cloud nine because he himself choose this life no one forced him. He does not want to share maira with anyone which was clear from the time of her birth. Then he should that is with him only. Then what is this whole notion about he is unlucky or he is hurting himself inside and he his happy just for maira. He choosed this life himself and there is no hidden hand behind this. So he should be happy with his whole heart and cosider himself as most luckiest because what he always wanted is with him only . The only who is unlucky is maira and abhira not armaan and its high time armaan should come out of his self pity self victimisation and trauma driven person.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Again what is your defination of a "bond". I am a mom and I know that my child will remain mine and I will take all decisions for that child, even if he has a better "bond" with someone else. I don't need to be everything for my child. Here Geetanjali is more of a "friend" to Maira who can give her advice because she is older. She is in no way able to replace her "mumma" in Maira's life. When Maira tried, even then Armaan shut it down multiple times. That tells me that even Armaan has given her very limited access to Maira and absolutely no haq for taking any decisions for her. So how is she replacing Abhira in any form? Geetanjali jo abhi kar rahi hai is something I assume she could do after being Maira's teacher in school and her neighbour & building familiarity with her. Usse zyada aur koi equation vanne hi nahi diya Armaan ne Maira ka kisi aur ke saath. So how does she even compared to Abhira, ho us bachchi ki maa hai aur humesha rahegi, even for Armaan.

Yeh armaan samjhata hai kyunki woh jaanta hai ki uski maa jinda hai udaipur mai hai. Toh woh kabhi bhi maira ko geetanjali ko maa kehne ke liye nhi bolega but maira geetanjali mai apni maa dekhti hai aur woh sirf maira nhi geetanjali bhi waise hi hai and uska daddu bhi yehi dekhta hai ki geetanjali maa toh bn gayi but wife nhi bani hai. Even armaan acknowledge the fact that she does become the part of their little world.

Originally posted by: Naysayer

we all know how the tracks got changed overnight …since the audience rejected the Ruhi track, overnight they made Armaan the fall guy …it is not like we are not aware of this …now they had to fill the entire IPL season with a triggering track ..since it couldn’t be Ruhi, they made it about Armaan ..because he was the only other choice …so they switched roles .:from Abhira being paranoid and baby obsessed, they made Armaan all of that …and then we know what happened ..since it was an entire two month period and since the choice had been made to sacrifice Armaan’s character at the altar of the TRP Gods, they just went ahead and did it ..but yes, now he needs to realize that there is no such thing as perfect parenting ..and there are no super parents in the world who can control any and every situation….every time he’s failing, he is realising the error of his ways ..:obviously it is not all going to get better overnight .,it will get even worse before it gets better …but we are not the typical TRP janta ..sitting on this forum, we have insights into what is happening and why ..so I personally am not willing to allow myself to be triggered by what I see as naked manipulation..:.I want to wait till after IPL to see how they sort out this mess …!

The entire discussion deviated from fun to serious one, it was about him being unlucky or if he fails to overcome his fears and victimizes himself when he is actually the cruel one and this wasn't the first time (wedding night, 3 months, cabin drama, baby swap, bsp's death truth, license cancellation, 7 years of punishment for life-partner without her fault). Whatever any character does is because of TRP. What we think doesn't matter at all, we can only give opinions. Manipulation or not, scapegoat or not, few actions by characters can't be defended. That's my perspective. If Abhira was bashed for defending her brother's EMA and nothing absolutely nothing could justify her actions that time, though her shameless brother wasn't punished, same way Armaan's actions with their long-term effect, with the extent of pain he inflicted and damage his decisions caused for 7 long years according to show's timeline, can't be justified.

KP and Vidya mata weren't justified in doing what they did..though if we see from similar perspective there was no need to get triggered for what KP and Vidya mata did with Armaan and Shivani as it was plot twist for TRP to introduce Shivani's character but almost everyone condemned their actions or bashed them writing paragraphs for separating mother and son, they can't be redeemed for many even after WW, they won't ever be justified for their crimes and letting Shivani live in pain and mental trauma, for letting Armaan in pain and debt, controlling his life without his fault. Though I saw people defending KP and Vidya mata too during Shivani track but that doesn't change the fact. If Abhira was made the scapegoat she would've been criticized too.

Originally posted by: Naysayer

we all know how the tracks got changed overnight …since the audience rejected the Ruhi track, overnight they made Armaan the fall guy …it is not like we are not aware of this …now they had to fill the entire IPL season with a triggering track ..since it couldn’t be Ruhi, they made it about Armaan ..because he was the only other choice …so they switched roles .:from Abhira being paranoid and baby obsessed, they made Armaan all of that …and then we know what happened ..since it was an entire two month period and since the choice had been made to sacrifice Armaan’s character at the altar of the TRP Gods, they just went ahead and did it ..but yes, now he needs to realize that there is no such thing as perfect parenting ..and there are no super parents in the world who can control any and every situation….every time he’s failing, he is realising the error of his ways ..:obviously it is not all going to get better overnight .,it will get even worse before it gets better …but we are not the typical TRP janta ..sitting on this forum, we have insights into what is happening and why ..so I personally am not willing to allow myself to be triggered by what I see as naked manipulation..:.I want to wait till after IPL to see how they sort out this mess …!

Aise toh har ek fandom kahega ki uske favourite charcter ko barbaad kiya gaya trp ke liye yar for dusre characters ko glorify karne ke liye. Aise mai toh abhira fandom sabse jayda complain karta kyunki har kisika whitewash ya redemption ya forgiveness ke liye abhira ke character ko use kiya jaata. Armaan ke license cancellation ke baad koi nhi chata tha ki abhira armaan ke pass jao but armaan ka ek sorry aur confession se hi maaf karwa diya gaya kyunki unhe trp aur shivani track ke liye abhimaan sath chaiye the. In sab mafi ke wajah se hi abhira ko doormat kaha jata hai. Abhir and charu ke relationship ko accept karne ke liye bhi abhira ko use kiya gaya tab toh koi nhi bola ki insab reasoning ke liye abhira ke character ko hit lena pada aur hum sab wait karenge. Abhira ke naam pe kitne thread open ho gaye woh kitna bash hui. So for justifying armaan behaviour for trp Or ipl is not good from my pov.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Again what is your defination of a "bond". I am a mom and I know that my child will remain mine and I will take all decisions for that child, even if he has a better "bond" with someone else. I don't need to be everything for my child. Here Geetanjali is more of a "friend" to Maira who can give her advice because she is older. She is in no way able to replace her "mumma" in Maira's life. When Maira tried, even then Armaan shut it down multiple times. That tells me that even Armaan has given her very limited access to Maira and absolutely no haq for taking any decisions for her. So how is she replacing Abhira in any form? Geetanjali jo abhi kar rahi hai is something I assume she could do after being Maira's teacher in school and her neighbour & building familiarity with her. Usse zyada aur koi equation vanne hi nahi diya Armaan ne Maira ka kisi aur ke saath. So how does she even compared to Abhira, ho us bachchi ki maa hai aur humesha rahegi, even for Armaan.

@bold Was Abhira given even limited access in Maira's life which Geetanjali got? Bache ki maa lives in guilt and trauma for harming her own child, she was separated from her child for seven years, could only sleeps by taking sleeping pills, she visits police station every two days to find her child and Armaan did huge favor on her by not letting Maira address Geetanjali as mumma or by giving "limited access" to Geetanjali in Maira's life? Geetanjali can "see, touch, be happy with and talk to" Maira the child she likes, from past 4 years but Abhira can't, she couldn't touch, see, be happy with and talk to her biological daughter Maira for 7 years, she doesn't even have limited access to Maira life despite being bache ki maa. Is Abhira given a right to take decisions for Maira despite being her mother? Abhira bache ki maa rahe gi does that justifies him punishing her for seven years and separating them? Why bache ki maa wasn't informed that child is safe? She doesn't know about her whereabouts or didn't even see her milestones, she wasn't even a part of Maira's life to extent of showing Maira her photo, despite being her maa. I don't really like to defend or take side of fictional characters to extent of not respecting perspective of real people. Sorry if I did so. This is your perspective but definition of bond is definitely different for me.