After effects of Indian Force's actions on Pakistan# 7 - Page 47

Originally posted by: Morana

Lots of internal cleansing and systemic upheaval and upgrading required if the country has any hopes of becoming the next China , the next powerhouse in , forget near , even distant future.

Even in next 50 years it's impossible because here caste, reservation will never end. Religious extremism, terrorism will be always there. China did something which may be wrong but it boosted their economy.

Ways were wrong but intension was good.

Originally posted by: Morana

If a son or daughter is forced to leave their ancestral house, it goes without saying they'll not have much lingering fondness for that place.

Because of the disastrous reservation system in our country , most UR category people who have any brains are working hard to get the hell out of the country and they'll do so at the first chance they get . And once they do , obviously they wouldn't have much favorable memories or residual feelings for their homeland . Why would they ?? Inspite of their hard work , talent and dedication when they see people with one tenth of their qualifications are getting all the ranks , money , opportunities, jobs, best universities and positions, without putting in any hard work , just because of their caste , it must be heart breaking and creates an extreme bitterness, frustration, disillusionment towards their country that has created and nurtured this system . We can sing all we want about unity during crisis times, but the truth is how is unity possible when there's such blatant unfairness??

Not only huge brain drain is happening , but those who leave how can we expect to have , forget any loyalty, even attachment towards our country?

And the opposition is the one who is airing the fire of whole reservation propaganda, when what we actually need to do is scrap it in totality.

If the creams of our country has to open tea stalls to put food on the table for themselves and their families, then they'd rather open the tea stall in some other country, where atleast their children won't have to suffer the same fate and have all the fair opportunities.

Love and loyalty work both ways , as it should .

I wholeheartedly agree with your words about how people from unreserved categories often leave the country with bitter memories, frustration and anger because of the reservation system, how their talent is taken for granted in their own homeland, leaving them with no choice but to move abroad.

But at the same time, its also true that caste discrimination is a deeply rooted issue in our society. How many upper caste people truly accept lower caste individuals in their social functions, gatherings or intercaste marriages? And how many cases of honor killings still occur?? Even if someone from a lower caste becomes wealthy, they are still treated as subhuman in many parts of the country. This deeply embedded inequality and the hatred it breeds towards upper castes, is also just as justifiable as the bitterness that unreserved category individuals feel toward the reservation system.

Im from an upper caste, a general category. In my own family, especially among the older generation, i have heard things like dont marry someone from an OBC/SC/ST background or dont eat at their house. Why?? Simply because they belong to a lower caste. I have personally argued with my elders many times over this discriminatory mindset.

At the same time, i have lost many opportunities because i belong to the unreserved category, while people with significantly lower grades got those opportunities due to reservation. It used to frustrate me a lot and created resentment. But over time, i also came to understand how deeply rooted discrimination is, starting right from my own home. I began to understand the societal problem at large and thats why i have stood up to my elders about their prejudices.

Personally i believe reservation should be based on economic status. But even if that happens, is there any guarantee that upper caste people will begin to treat lower castes betterbregardless of whether they are rich or poor??

Change has to start with us, the younger generation. Maybe one day, in 10-20 years, when we are the age our parents are now, caste based discrimination will finally disappear.

I also wish the government would remove the caste category from applications and forms entirely but at the same time, they should run strong campaigns promoting equality and non discrimination toward lower caste communities. But will they actually do that?? When votes are still being secured on the basis of caste, is it even possible to eliminate caste based politics and discrimination??

Originally posted by: Morana

Lots of internal cleansing and systemic upheaval and upgrading required if the country has any hopes of becoming the next China , the next powerhouse in , forget near , even distant future.

However, just imagine if even the rumours of NDA modifying constitution to end reservation can bring NDA almost close to losing this term, what will any solid steps in that direction cost the government.

People will bring Congress to Power for their selfish reasons and Congress will make it hell for every Indian especially Hindus.

For, any change to happen we would need China type of governance instead of democracy. ... Otherwise I can't think of anyt other way to make that change happen. 🤷

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

However, just imagine if even the rumours of NDA modifying constitution to end reservation can bring NDA almost close to losing this term, what will any solid steps in that direction cost the government.

People will bring Congress to Power for their selfish reasons and Congress will make it hell for every Indian especially Hindus.

For, any change to happen we would need China type of governance instead of democracy. ... Otherwise I can't think of anyt other way to make that change happen. 🤷

We absolutely need a China type government to transform the entire nation for the better. But at the same time, we also need a leader like a Chinese style dictator, someone who thinks only about the country and its people, without suppressing them completely like in North Korea. Without such leadership, our nation risks regressing to a pre independence state.

Gandhi family is like the Kim family of North Korea. If they ever gain dictatorial control over India, we are done for. The only person I can think of who genuinely works for the country and its people is Modi. If he were given a free hand, he could act with much more freedom, freedom he currently lacks due to democratic constraints and constant opposition. He wouldnt have to worry about winning the next election and the BJP could focus solely on national progress.

I also want Modiji to remove highly corrupt politicians from both the NDA and INDI alliances. Only then can we have real hope. Otherwise, our growth rate under democracy will remain slow. Even if we eventually reach where China is today, by that time China and the US will have advanced even further and the gap will remain constant.

If we ever adopt a China type dictatorship, it should come with a limited timeline, perhaps until india becomes a superpower or at least until 2050.

Originally posted by: IamRaj96

We absolutely need a China type government to transform the entire nation for the better. But at the same time, we also need a leader like a Chinese style dictator, someone who thinks only about the country and its people, without suppressing them completely like in North Korea. Without such leadership, our nation risks regressing to a pre independence state.

Gandhi family is like the Kim family of North Korea. If they ever gain dictatorial control over India, we are done for. The only person I can think of who genuinely works for the country and its people is Modi. If he were given a free hand, he could act with much more freedom, freedom he currently lacks due to democratic constraints and constant opposition. He wouldnt have to worry about winning the next election and the BJP could focus solely on national progress.

I also want Modiji to remove highly corrupt politicians from both the NDA and INDI alliances. Only then can we have real hope. Otherwise, our growth rate under democracy will remain slow. Even if we eventually reach where China is today, by that time China and the US will have advanced even further and the gap will remain constant.

If we ever adopt a China type dictatorship, it should come with a limited timeline, perhaps until india becomes a superpower or at least until 2050.

Totally agree with you on both the points regarding a trustworthy leader and a limited time of application of such change in governance.

When the surgeries are done, medications administered and the country has healed then we can again go back to democracy.

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

Totally agree with you on both the points regarding a trustworthy leader and a limited time of application of such change in governance.

When the surgeries are done, medications administered and the country has healed then we can again go back to democracy.

And when our country truly progresses in terms of both economy and mindset, people will begin to understand democracy in its truest sense. They will be able to distinguish between those who exploit democracy for personal gain and those who genuinely want the best for the country. By then, they will be able to vote for the deserving party.

It is not only Pakistan and Bangladesh but Bhutan also having relationship with China. Apparantly it is giving land to China.

Backstabbers are all around.

Originally posted by: IamRaj96

I wholeheartedly agree with your words about how people from unreserved categories often leave the country with bitter memories, frustration and anger because of the reservation system, how their talent is taken for granted in their own homeland, leaving them with no choice but to move abroad.

But at the same time, its also true that caste discrimination is a deeply rooted issue in our society. How many upper caste people truly accept lower caste individuals in their social functions, gatherings or intercaste marriages? And how many cases of honor killings still occur?? Even if someone from a lower caste becomes wealthy, they are still treated as subhuman in many parts of the country. This deeply embedded inequality and the hatred it breeds towards upper castes, is also just as justifiable as the bitterness that unreserved category individuals feel toward the reservation system.

Im from an upper caste, a general category. In my own family, especially among the older generation, i have heard things like dont marry someone from an OBC/SC/ST background or dont eat at their house. Why?? Simply because they belong to a lower caste. I have personally argued with my elders many times over this discriminatory mindset.

At the same time, i have lost many opportunities because i belong to the unreserved category, while people with significantly lower grades got those opportunities due to reservation. It used to frustrate me a lot and created resentment. But over time, i also came to understand how deeply rooted discrimination is, starting right from my own home. I began to understand the societal problem at large and thats why i have stood up to my elders about their prejudices.

Personally i believe reservation should be based on economic status. But even if that happens, is there any guarantee that upper caste people will begin to treat lower castes betterbregardless of whether they are rich or poor??

Change has to start with us, the younger generation. Maybe one day, in 10-20 years, when we are the age our parents are now, caste based discrimination will finally disappear.

I also wish the government would remove the caste category from applications and forms entirely but at the same time, they should run strong campaigns promoting equality and non discrimination toward lower caste communities. But will they actually do that?? When votes are still being secured on the basis of caste, is it even possible to eliminate caste based politics and discrimination??

I'm absolutely 💯 on board with any and all measures to not just change caste system but remove it altogether. Most people nowadays don't even have idea anyways why and how caste system was practiced in ancient India . It was based on people practicing same type of job over the generation for hundreds of years , thus achieving extraordinary perfection in that field . It's basically a higher science, eugenics experiment. This is how God level warriors were created in Ancient India such as that when we read their story it sounds like mythology more than history. God level perfection in cultivation, artisans, workers , weavers , potters , even traders , boat makers, you name it , you have it. It is due to the caste system only , this was possible. Can we imagine people knowing all four Vedas and many many more scriptures by heart ?? But in Ancient India it was common practice. Vedas were preserved by memory alone.

Nowadays, we laugh when we read about chariots that were so fast that it can run at the speed of wind or boats that can sail the sea or bridge built over the freaking sea or building a place where you can not even differentiate which place is a water body and what is glass . This was level reached by keeping the bloodline pure and practicing the skills within a closed community to hone it.

But due to many changes in the society, such a system is no longer realistic or possible or even necessary. So it should be completely thrown away and free mingling, marriage etc. among all Hindus should be allowed. That's the absolute beauty of our religion. It not only allows for such changes and adaptations with time , it infact encourages it. Even between different eras , you can see the caste system changing . For e.g, between Ramayan and Mahabharat.

And whole can't enter kitchen , can't drink water from the hands of certain castes those were neither advised nor practiced widely . People of different castes would freely mingle, befriend and work together. Ofcourse , they'd practice the ancestral skills and jobs and marry mostly within their community. There was distance of living , not of heart. There was no hatred. Lord Rama himself had many close friends and brotherly bonds from so called lower castes .

Reservation is not the solution to caste system. It is infact the opposite. It directly benefits from the existence of caste system . Without caste , there wouldn't be reservations. So those benefiting from it for generations will never agree to do away with caste system . For those who are accustomed to privileges, equality feels like oppression.

If a proposal is made that no one from henceforth can use their caste as part of their identity. They've to forego , either lower or upper caste and just come under one umbrella term Hindu , I don't think people from lower caste will ever agree though I think it's absolutely the best solution for the country in today's date and time .

Like I said, our country is suffering from a syndrome of people always looking at their immediate benefit. No one is bothered about the future of the race or country or religion.

Originally posted by: Morana

If a proposal is made that no one from henceforth can use their caste as part of their identity. They've to forego , either lower or upper caste and just come under one umbrella term Hindu , I don't think people from lower caste will ever agree though I think it's absolutely the best solution for the country in today's date and time .

This would be an awesome step though.

Gotra can be written as surname instead or nothing at all.

His mask as a liberal has fallen apart long back

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