India Pakistan After Ceasefire Discussion- Thread 4 - Page 5

Originally posted by: FBIr3port

So thank you for claiming that you believe that Shehbaz was right in claiming victory.

one could not be further from the truth if one tried.. I give up

If we believe that our view is exactly how PM should behave else enemy won - there goes the country and its policy and strategy and the unity.

This is plain speak by me. 🇮🇳 is a democracy so feel free to make things clear.

I have quoted you a lot and responded. I won’t further so that we don’t argue and fight - not anger but out of respect. I continue to believe we are on the same side here which is 🇮🇳

We are on the same side and I also understand your statements/views.

What I am saying is that we didn't gain any objective for getting into the conflict with them. We did inflict a lot of harm to them but they still continue to be the same as they were.

Unless Pakistan agreed to our conditions, and stops behaving the way it has been, that's not a victory for us, unless we think the objective was to destroy Pakistan defence system.

If that was one objective, then we have won decisively.

I want PM Modi to come up to clear these issues and to also counter their narrative and tell the world what we achieved out of it. If not we need to wait till 12th and understand what conditions India got Pakistan to agree to.

Thanks for responding me and clearing a lot of doubts I had. I am not into any argument. Trust me I have as much faith in my army and PM(CoC in this case) as you have. But I still can expect something from the government

P.S. I really appreciate that in times like these you are refraining to anything that might cause a tussle between us Indians

We need to stand together in this irrespective of our stance and differences

Originally posted by: Arreyaar

bhai tum ko 100% faith hai government pe to zaruri nahi hai ki sabko hi ho. Yaha pe hum india ke liye. Even if there is anyone who is not in favour of the current government but in favour of countering and eradicating terrorists or avenging the loss of lives and condemning pakistan toh you cannot expect them to have the same opinion as yours. You should accept this. Let people breathe for having a difference of opinion.

If you feel I am suffocating you - please use block option.

Just like you have opinions. I do.

I believe in united we stand divided we fall especially in times of war.

Whether what I like or dislike about govt isn’t know to you , but you should realize. I don’t believe any govt has god as their head and hence will make mistakes and hence I have my issues.

However like I saw US unite behind Bush after 9/11 ( he was ridiculed daily on media before) and how great that was to see, I believe in that approach.

Please breathe and block me as I have my opinions like yours but I don’t accuse you of not letting me breathe with yours like you seem to want to do with every post

Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

I'm reading posts here only. I didn't even check twitter today. Please link me the source where India announced before accepting the ceasefire. Cos from what I remember the decision of ceasefire acceptance and that it was initiated by Pak was announced at the same time in the same statement released to public.

I didn't expect you would accuse me of reading pak side narrative. 👎

Not accusing you .This is anti india forum so reading here is pak narrative only. I won’t post here anything related to Bharat operations . Security reasons. Here outsiders IPs are allowed n given freehand . Saw how india hate is spread here.There is briefing by india govt & army & made aware to public . Look at right places . You said you don’t ve faith clearly saying you fallen for the false narrations . See outside IF . Why give traffic to this anti india forum . It’s better to let it die . Soon this hate shop will be closed .

Originally posted by: FBIr3port

so who is the commander in chief ? It’s not that hard an answer. Really.

Yes in all practical sense it's the Defence minister who reports to the head of state (practically the PM)

I never denied your claiming PM as CoC

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

1. Agree neither you nor I represent public but this what I feel public might feel too. I cannot predict anything and I may be totally wrong in my feeling but that's what I feel. Can't deny that even if may be politically incorrect.

2. The press briefing was done after the decision was already taken. It should have been done before taking the decision. In that case Pak wouldn't have been able to deny it was them who approached. If they denied then the ceasefire shouldn't have been accepted.

3 and hence government can be criticised for the decision it makes

4. Mistakes, if made should be accepted and rectified too.

Originally posted by: FBIr3port

I sound like a broken record now

how did we fail if we maintained highest level of alert and vigilance ? Our armed forces and central govt is aware of Pakistanis words have little meanings and Vision to see they will want a last word with attacks following a ceasefire agreement. It’s not like they said. It’s over. Armed force go home and eat pav bhaji and kulfi ? It’s all over ? No they didn’t

As for Shabaz speech well it’s lies with nervousness clearly showing he is just a speaker for the Pak general under duress of being killed if he doesn’t toe the line

I am tired of saying the same..

Originally posted by: Anti-Mandli

India doesn't need anyone support.

We are not living in 700CE

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

The press briefing statement was that DG of Pakistan called Indian counterpart to end these and de escalate. Indian military establishment agreed for this agreement.

So yes we did announce that they called us.

that's what I'm saying that both these things were announced simultaneously in the single statement. What I would have preferred is that they should have made a statement or a press release that there is an offer from pak to de escalate and we are considering it. If pakistan didn't refute that Then only after an hour or two they should have released a statement that after due consideration we are accepting pak's proposal of ceasefire or deescalation. That would have placed us in a position of power rather than pak who is now claiming it as THEIR win. We lost at the table again.

Originally posted by: FBIr3port

Brother not being intense. I was merely responding with no intention to not let you breathe and express another point of view

if you don’t want me to respond. I won’t. Didn’t i say we are on the same side ? 🇮🇳. Brother ?

And my pronouns are she/her.

Originally posted by: MsWhiskerson

https://x.com/sidhant/status/1921272567203000587

Pakistan has thanked many nations for support, this is where we lost.

We need major changes in our diplomacy, when China is a big power AND our neighbour, there's no point fighting with them

China wants our land. We can't become their friends

Nehru tried it to be backstabbed. They claim on both Laddakh region and Arunachal Pradesh which are our indigenous parts.

If they are a big country doesn't mean that we can let them dictate us.

Yes we don't have any friends. Pakistan is more like a backend support for Islamic countries and China, they want to leash it when need be against India/world (by Islamic world since it is nuclear)

We need to become stronger, even more stronger than we currently are. Joining China will only weaken us