Zelensky facing Trump and Vance !!! - Page 2

Originally posted by: Savera84

Trump lost his manners along with his VP.

This is not a away to treat a head of a state. This is pure harassment.

Cheers..

Lost his manners Manners the hi kab jo lose karega?

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

Lost his manners Manners the hi kab jo lose karega?

Seems like Zelensky needs all the possible help he can get?

Originally posted by: PunnyPotato

He honestly caused more harm to Ukraine, and Zelensky profited most from this war.

He could have stopped and avoided this war but he didn't.

Yes no way ukraine could have outdone Russia even with all military power but Russians are no less and everyone seem opportunistic and look at this Trump.. He is acting like high school bully everywhere with everyone from the time he returned to office.. Does he even have some elegance or manners..

Does he have guts to call out Putin or atleast make any comment against Russia..

He don't want to give money don't give. But two bullies jumping on a man who's fighting a war from years is hillarious and frankly pathetic display of politics

What they wanted to accomplish is to force the discussion to extract maximum blood from Ukraine. Orange man is like I can start a ceasefire in minutes...

he won't move an inch if his master from other side isn't signalling. That jd Vance is unbearable.

Usa created this world order where they give money to both sides and also starts war and a world leader. Now suddenly a particular man and his supporters has issues...ok fine. World will learn to move on without them. It's just destroying USA image and power, and it will let China eu to replace it. Interesting new world we will have in the end.

In my view both are at fault and here's why. Both went into the meeting knowing Putin well and trying to manipulate the situation to their advantage.

Zelensky knows that Putin will not just back off because he and Trump "agreed" to it. Putin is looking for the return of the USSR. Most other countries will fall easily, but not Ukraine. He needs to take Ukraine down to make the other countries fall. And Zelensky cannot fight Russia forever without American support because the US has a huge defense budget and army. So Zelensky needs some sort of guarantee so that when Putin does come back, Zelensky and Ukraine can continue fighting.

Trump also knows that Putin will not just back off. He never went in for an agreement on making Putin back off. He went in with the intention of just getting enough time so that he can get Ukraine's rare minerals and then Putin could go back and do what he wants. He also has no intention of supporting Ukraine for the long-term so for him the only important thing was gaining Zelensky's support for the rare minerals.

Both went into the meeting with their agendas but both are hot-headed men who have huge egos. And it became a game of manipulation. Unfortunately, Zelensky got up-handed because he forgot to account for the puppet, aka Vance. Vance started the attack, but Zelensky got fired up too quickly and even though Trump was also equally at fault (if not more so), Zelensky came out looking ungrateful and rude in this entire interaction.

I'm not saying Zelensky shouldn't have reacted. He should have. Vance and Trump were both in the wrong. But Zelensky reacted at the wrong time. If he waited a bit longer, showed some more patience while Trump also got worked up, and then reacted by walking out the door, Trump would have come out looking like the only wrong person in this entire interaction. His supporters would have had a harder time manipulating the situation (which they still would have done) and Zelensky could easily have used the entire situation to his advantage even further.

Thanks to this interaction though, we are that much closer to World War 3. Thanks to this interaction, China can now plan on overthrowing Taiwan a bit more. Pakistan and India may go to war yet again, the Middle East is mostly at war anyways, many countries in Africa are just on the wall in terms of peace, and Trump is anyways after Canada and Greenland. And we have Western Europe in the entire mix who will now have to pick sides and choose who to support.

As a millenial, I can now tell future generations that I have seen it all - a recession, an idiot President, a couple of civil wars, and World War 3. History repeating itself.

https://youtu.be/otHfHQjUQBo

Could this be NATO minus the USA?

Originally posted by: Swathi.A

Yes no way ukraine could have outdone Russia even with all military power but Russians are no less and everyone seem opportunistic and look at this Trump.. He is acting like high school bully everywhere with everyone from the time he returned to office.. Does he even have some elegance or manners..

Does he have guts to call out Putin or atleast make any comment against Russia..

Minerals, minerals and more minerals! Could the usual greed be his weakness?

Originally posted by: Minionite

In my view both are at fault and here's why. Both went into the meeting knowing Putin well and trying to manipulate the situation to their advantage.

Zelensky knows that Putin will not just back off because he and Trump "agreed" to it. Putin is looking for the return of the USSR. Most other countries will fall easily, but not Ukraine. He needs to take Ukraine down to make the other countries fall. And Zelensky cannot fight Russia forever without American support because the US has a huge defense budget and army. So Zelensky needs some sort of guarantee so that when Putin does come back, Zelensky and Ukraine can continue fighting.

Trump also knows that Putin will not just back off. He never went in for an agreement on making Putin back off. He went in with the intention of just getting enough time so that he can get Ukraine's rare minerals and then Putin could go back and do what he wants. He also has no intention of supporting Ukraine for the long-term so for him the only important thing was gaining Zelensky's support for the rare minerals.

Both went into the meeting with their agendas but both are hot-headed men who have huge egos. And it became a game of manipulation. Unfortunately, Zelensky got up-handed because he forgot to account for the puppet, aka Vance. Vance started the attack, but Zelensky got fired up too quickly and even though Trump was also equally at fault (if not more so), Zelensky came out looking ungrateful and rude in this entire interaction.

I'm not saying Zelensky shouldn't have reacted. He should have. Vance and Trump were both in the wrong. But Zelensky reacted at the wrong time. If he waited a bit longer, showed some more patience while Trump also got worked up, and then reacted by walking out the door, Trump would have come out looking like the only wrong person in this entire interaction. His supporters would have had a harder time manipulating the situation (which they still would have done) and Zelensky could easily have used the entire situation to his advantage even further.

Thanks to this interaction though, we are that much closer to World War 3. Thanks to this interaction, China can now plan on overthrowing Taiwan a bit more. Pakistan and India may go to war yet again, the Middle East is mostly at war anyways, many countries in Africa are just on the wall in terms of peace, and Trump is anyways after Canada and Greenland. And we have Western Europe in the entire mix who will now have to pick sides and choose who to support.

As a millenial, I can now tell future generations that I have seen it all - a recession, an idiot President, a couple of civil wars, and World War 3. History repeating itself.

Very well put 👏

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Originally posted by: rckRadhe

Minerals, minerals and more minerals! Could the usual greed be his weakness?

He wants Canada, he wants greenland, he wants ukraine minerals.. Seems he only wants America in world map..