KMTMG Discussions Thread #8 - Page 76

Originally posted by: sugz

.... In short- Give me evidence there is sense in what they write? ( I dont mean it in nasty way)

Lets look at the main plots / points in the show from the first week:

Parent's anniversary day - She's on leave but has to cater to a new client... Virat - learns its about dowry - Babs hates that she pointed it out - Ammu 'gets out' of there in a bad way - Anniversary night - learns about her fathers ema - moves out with her mom and bro - next day learns she doesn't have a job and will get it back if she apologises - she does - works for Virat as his secretary (?) - Learns more about rajeev...... (I'll stop there)...

[She's on leave but has to meet Virat for work... looking at it now was a sign she will be unwilling to marry him but will happen ... Hmm... Now waiting for 'Ammu gets out of there in a bad way'].

... If we go on... we may notice, things are okay and sensible too... execution isn't. Somethings could've been delayed - them meeting each other, Jayesh's ema revelation - somethings could've been given better reasons - babs continued anger towards her, her apologising and not looking for another job... (did she learn she is blacklisted on day one? perhaps... but could've still tried before apologising - but she did that to get her job back... not to work for him, which was an unexpected thing for her).

In one bts pic, happen to see Nimmi with a head bandage (similar to what Babita posed after Alibaugh incident), so its an indication Nimmi will also face head injury needing hospitalization / simple home treatment, now similar to Ishu will she also complain of short term memory loss?

see this way Nimmi can conveniently forget who and how she was kidnapped & tortured from Navratri mela event, and how she actually escaped from goons.. by throwing Amu's single handed support, pain, smartness, fighting spirit, courage to save her from goons under the bus also by hiding Rajiv's direct involvement in the process.

Edit: here is the pic..

Originally posted by: LAV2725

In one bts pic, have seen Nimmi with a head bandage (similar to what Babita posed after Alibaugh incident), so its an indication Nimmi will also face head injury needing hospitalization / home treatment, now similar to Ishu will she also complain short term memory loss?

see this way Nimmi can conveniently forget who and how she was kidnapped & tortured, and how she actually escaped from goons.. by throwing Amu's single handed support, pain, smartness, fighting spirit, courage to save her under the bus also hiding Rajiv's direct involvement in the process.

I hope not... will be a very twisted way to create an mu. Odd too since they already have Ishika in the same state... is se achcha Ammu could've fallen from a height and went through mem loss.

@Adiandsid 1st para. Pls Dont take this wrong. I cant stop you in making sense of writers using advanced writing methods. I dont think they deserve your analysis or to be compared to methods done well. Personally I am not knowledgeable to do the same. Now I understand your methods. I can learn from your post but sometimes may I ask if KMTMG writers showing skill or its your comparison... I may also ask for an example in film where your writing references done well. It will be pleasure to learn as you have.

One point you may describe as twisted. Remember when Amu & Virat were packing for Goa before they fought for that phone to unlock & see if Amu recording him. Amu clearly said she wont forgive him for forced marriage. My Point- can you not forgive someone for bad they did to you in a relationship even friendship but still continue with it like marriage? ... I mean sometimes with blood family it happens they do harm but its tought to end relationships of lets say sister or brother. Same can happen for marriage getting back to VA- he realised hes wrong & not currently making good on his vows to make Amu life hell as occurred on Mela force marriage.

@Adiandsid I know you are pro seperation but must give you help to avoid disappointment you do with us. Virat did soooo much like moving out Ahuja house for Ex after realising love. He didnt want divorce & fought for that marriage. Virat has same attachment with Amu maybe deeper considering challenges they faced. Will virat ask for divorce or accept 1 from Amu?... virat may get nasty if Amu asked & refuse to let it happen again what Ex did to him. My point- we may see a split but divorce or long seperation unlikely.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

The Pygmalion effect is something I infer from what they are showing with Ammu - may not be something they are actually doing. Is it a realistic task to make sense of their work? well... we can... even if we may be way off in our analysis. It may not be what the writer intended but it is what it seems like (to me) after seeing the product. [Are the chem scenes what the chem students take it to be? May be yes, may be no. So is the case with this. ]

It does seem to be working on Virat - especially in these kidnapping eps. Get the impression that he is thoroughly humbled. Should have happened after the clip... but they always delay things with him - after all, it took him 5 hrs to come out of the womb. Would've liked him to be more proactive in what he is doing... but his hallucination scenes seem honest - even if he will never admit to it if she actually comes in front of him. So for the 'long term', I like where he is heading - after all (unfortunately) he is the 'destined one' for her... and this is a good step in that direction, even if he comes across as a 'loser' in the current track. She is changing him. [Now... idk if the past eps will look better if I rewatch it through this perspective.]

More concerned about her faith / belief and the contrast with reality... will that be the thing that breaks the relationship this time? This seems likely to me.

Is Ammu is like her mother? Hmm... Do think that unlike Bhavani she does have a line that someone cant cross... the problem is it seems like the mela incident wasn't that red line. Or may be it was... but she is also shown to give the other party / perpetrator a chance... So perhaps she is aware that he did cross that line... but is now in the 'giving him a chance' phase... and will do the needful when he crosses the line again - painful as it may be for her cause she also loves him (from the Navratri eps).

Good point - There is a difference between sense VS stuff that is logical but twisted rubbish we refuse to accept done to a character. Then as you point there is sensible plots but wrong timing which I think is what you mean my execution... maybe execution at wrong time.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Lets look at the main plots / points in the show from the first week:

Parent's anniversary day - She's on leave but has to cater to a new client... Virat - learns its about dowry - Babs hates that she pointed it out - Ammu 'gets out' of there in a bad way - Anniversary night - learns about her fathers ema - moves out with her mom and bro - next day learns she doesn't have a job and will get it back if she apologises - she does - works for Virat as his secretary (?) - Learns more about rajeev...... (I'll stop there)...

[She's on leave but has to meet Virat for work... looking at it now was a sign she will be unwilling to marry him but will happen ... Hmm... Now waiting for 'Ammu gets out of there in a bad way'].

... If we go on... we may notice, things are okay and sensible too... execution isn't. Somethings could've been delayed - them meeting each other, Jayesh's ema revelation - somethings could've been given better reasons - babs continued anger towards her, her apologising and not looking for another job... (did she learn she is blacklisted on day one? perhaps... but could've still tried before apologising - but she did that to get her job back... not to work for him, which was an unexpected thing for her).

Originally posted by: sugz

@Adiandsid 1st para. Pls Dont take this wrong. I cant stop you in making sense of writers using advanced writing methods. I dont think they deserve your analysis or to be compared to methods done well. Personally I am not knowledgeable to do the same. Now I understand your methods. I can learn from your post but sometimes may I ask if KMTMG writers showing skill or its your comparison... I may also ask for an example in film where your writing references done well. It will be pleasure to learn as you have.

One point you may describe as twisted. Remember when Amu & Virat were packing for Goa before they fought for that phone to unlock & see if Amu recording him. Amu clearly said she wont forgive him for forced marriage. My Point- can you not forgive someone for bad they did to you in a relationship even friendship but still continue with it like marriage? ... I mean sometimes with blood family it happens they do harm but its tought to end relationships of lets say sister or brother. Same can happen for marriage getting back to VA- he realised hes wrong & not currently making good on his vows to make Amu life hell as occurred on Mela force marriage.

@Adiandsid I know you are pro seperation but must give you help to avoid disappointment you do with us. Virat did soooo much like moving out Ahuja house for Ex after realising love. He didnt want divorce & fought for that marriage. Virat has same attachment with Amu maybe deeper considering challenges they faced. Will virat ask for divorce or accept 1 from Amu?... virat may get nasty if Amu asked & refuse to let it happen again what Ex did to him. My point- we may see a split but divorce or long seperation unlikely.

First para: I like to think about stories and sometimes write too. Though not always, do like to analyse them too, look for cues about what they are doing, where they are taking it etc. "may I ask if KMTMG writers showing skill or its your comparison." ... It may or may not be the writers showing their skills... perhaps its their intent (i hope so)... but surely the inference / comparison I am making. Cant think of any movie or show that used this particular thing I mentioned, just happened to be a thought that came up when I wrote 'her faith in him looks dangerous'.

Second para: Think its personal choice (and sometimes compulsion)... Some can forgive and forget... some cant... and many in between. If they were married much before the mela ep happened, it would've made more sense if she chose to continue... Say, the parallel in kkb - the mms track... there was something to be gained from proving her innocence... if nothing else saving her marriage (she was in love with him too)... Here... lets say she says 'eff it' and just leaves the city after the mela ep... what changes? Nothing. There was nothing in line to be saved.

Yeah.. I'm not expecting a long term separation too... after all they are the "destined pair"... so they have to meet again... But for the sake of Ammu as a character it 'was' important that she did walk out. They've delayed it so much that I dont know if it is important anymore... but still hoping she will . Divorce wont happen... but then ... are they even married?

Originally posted by: sugz

Good point - There is a difference between sense VS stuff that is logical but twisted rubbish we refuse to accept done to a character. Then as you point there is sensible plots but wrong timing which I think is what you mean my execution... maybe execution at wrong time.

Not just wrong timing.. even executing a scene/ idea. Say, the yacht scene: Ammu is to talk to Harsh on the phone and others (mainly Babs) have to hear she is talking about dowry. How do you choose to show it? It can be done in many ways... they way they showed... Or say Ammu talking in a normal voice in what is perhaps a secluded place perhaps outside a washroom ... only to see Babs was right behind her, coming out of the washroom... and starts bashing her up for what she said.

@Pyaarasam is liking these posts but not saying anything... hi @Pyaarasam👋. @Pyaarasam binged episodes yesterday... why so quiet? Did something die inside after the binge? I know @Riggy tried it & it didn't go well

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Not just wrong timing.. even executing a scene/ idea. Say, the yacht scene: Ammu is to talk to Harsh on the phone and others (mainly Babs) have to hear she is talking about dowry. How do you choose to show it? It can be done in many ways... they way they showed... Or say Ammu talking in a normal voice in what is perhaps a secluded place perhaps outside a washroom ... only to see Babs was right behind her, coming out of the washroom... and starts bashing her up for what she said.

And funny part was V was in same level inside cabin but was not able to hear it In this online world she went to them to get signature.Matlab digital signature ki time pe yeh sab nonsense chal raha hain.

With manual signature needed we still got fraud case where Virat or Amu didn't sign anything but money was taken. This plot insults police& Doctors. Fraud cases insults banks procedure... that is all ok but KMTMG goes further to bribe& insults Panditji on 2 forced weddings 1st with Amu then Alibaug

Originally posted by: Annu.

And funny part was V was in same level inside cabin but was not able to hear it In this online world she went to them to get signature.Matlab digital signature ki time pe yeh sab nonsense chal raha hain.