KMTMG Discussions Thread #7 - Page 126

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Festive season, so can say Ammu will defeat Rajeev and ex. That will happen. But uske baad kya hoga... dekhna hai. I dont think they will make everything is fine b/w VA after that. 'Dil ki baat'... will be adhoori for some time at least.

Yeah, I know about that one. Itna toh barosa hai un writers par, ek aur khand ke liye Unless they will surprise us (0% chances), BA toh pata nahin lakin uss Mausi ka kuch tik nahin hai.

Dil ki baat Idk, adhura ho sakta hai but it can also be complete if Ammu is injured and he will confess but phir siyapa with the "return of the Chitnis: operation separation" (50/50 ka mamla for now). Let's wait and watch

So you asked if you making sense. I understand your view on virat character I think. You maybe explain the intent written on Virat character good but execution is written very badly. I rarely double down & wont this time but I need to explain why Im lets say ... hesitant. Pls understand my intention being on here for some time is not like those annoying people who must be proven right or have last word.

If I think about your response. I would agree only if we speak in the context of this plot & place in the show. However I cant ignore Virat history & easily manipulate personality. Pls see response @Pyaarasam to this point in blue. If she says NO, Virat will not lose hope until NO becomes a YES (Bhavani Aai matters to him).

What am I saying? Amu is inviting familiarity when Babita shows no remorse .1 may say Amu is not aware of babita still planning... Amu knows enough on Babita character to be more cautious trying to fix relationship with Virat & Babita. Bhavani matters to him but tomorrow Bebe can start same manipulation like Babita has done so Bebe & Babita can be in almost same good terms with virat before exposure. Should this occur Bhavani wont matter to Virat. His view towards Bhavani will change ignoring his family dirty morals... hes done it once so I'm not speaking out of nowhere to be hesitant... forgive but not forget else you are the fool who should have learned.

@Pyaarasam said he will fight for their love ( This para is my strong view aimed at writer logic not aimed at @Pyaarasam) There is little point considering his past behavior making Bhavani target of making things right. Virat must start by explaining what terms he wants to be with Babita post exposure. This is going to sound harsh but I cant accept putting so much responsibility on ppl of morals like Bhavani... hold Babita to account 1st. In my view Bhavani & Amu should demand this as a condition of Virat requests. IDK if I make sense- maybe @Adiandsid can advise further.

Originally posted by: Pyaarasam

As said before, Virat needs Bhavani's blessings (he doesn't care about others). Whatever the story they give us, Virat is genuinely trying to make things right. He can sound contradictory and I'm not the devil's advocate here, but he wants Ammu and both to start with a clean slate with Bhavani's permission because she is the one who understood him (Divorce matter).

Even though I don't like his public apology (like @Adi), today I appreciated that part where he publicly asked (almost) for Ammu. That was a beautiful move. All to say that Bhavani agar na bolti hai joining what he said today about "no one would separate her from him", Bhavani is the key. If she says NO, Virat will not lose hope until NO becomes a YES (Bhavani Aai matters to him). However, the others (BA and Mausi) can only dream of separating them because Ammu ho ya Virat will fight for their love (Idk how but they will). Idk if I make sense, but that's what I interpret here.

That's why, even if I'm team separation, I don't think writers (jitna hum unko jante hai) should play with fire and ruin V's character who is rebirthing from the aches. And since Navratri hai, for once they should do "good". If I'm not mistaken, it celebrates your Goddess Durga Maa who killed or won over Maheshasur, right? Here, Ammu is representing Maa Durga and nothing will happen to her (or at least her Hero V will reach her), and Rajeev urf Maheshasur will be caught. Utna hi to kar sakte hai makers to respect a bit of your culture, damn it. Let's see!

So, to answer you in short, Ammu wants to hear his "dil ki baat", Ammu wants him, he wants her, and he will fight for her. And it makes absolutely sense even with such bad writing. As @Adi always says, we get what they wanna do but...

Yes its me in defense of my Vandy again. I agree already while you stare at this screen my defense is getting annoyed. There has been abit of critism of Vandy. I agree our expectations were high & its only natural to have more attention on Vandy being new character. Aaji vibes I respect your opinion... Can it be worse than Babita or bebe or poem vibes which are constant irritation on screen?

Whilst we not sure if vandy is a villian or lengths she will go for Amu. Humble request is not lose sight in worsening of villians behavior & depictions lowering morals shown. What am I saying? Today for example we comment on vandy but didn't immediately see babita psycho behaviour in hug virat after chandelier when she knew the plan. We picked it up but after critism of Vandy. Morality we dont discuss in virat trying to get in hospital but we need to question this bias to villians again giving them upper hand. Virat cant get in hospital but Rajiv can easily move in & out as prisoner proven to endanger women.

Ok candy is too sweet . Hope we dont aim too much critism at vandy having high expectations... losing sight in worsening morals of real villians yet too harsh to a maybe vilian like Vandy with some moral compass

Originally posted by: Pyaarasam

I don't think it meant anything, but he knows Aai is not happy with him around so he keeps his distance and apologizes again and again. However, Bhavani can take Vandy's words and be manipulated against her bff

We have to find another name for Vandy Mausi, Candy is too sweet to be her (sorry @Adi it was your choice). I don't feel that woman and join you she gives me Aaji vibes

On this Vandy critism. I know it seems writers making a strong role for her. Respected as elder sister. Question on lighter note to throw out there. Do females receive more critism than males entering roles like this type? Would we be more or less or equal critical if an older brother of Bhavani joined & not older sister?

@Pyaarasam maybe this long quoted post for nothing. In short you have explained virat intent well. I'm questioning his actions after walking away from this. Will his intent match actions when other characters meddle? Past history says no. Should these 2 events not match due to him missing clear evidence like with Babita pre exposure. Writers need to do 1 of 2 things to stop ruim virat character. 1) be more cautious in his promises/ intent. 2) virat must be more alert to plans interfering with his promises.

Really could not care for virat character at this point. Writers flip & flop of his dialoge must stop in an illogical form... what is logical? Explained in post earlier. Virat will break promise to amu as she gets kidnapped & virat wont return to her. This is beyond virat control as apposed to Amu embarrassed at party with Virat sitting in office thinking must I be there

Originally posted by: sugz

So you asked if you making sense. I understand your view on virat character I think. You maybe explain the intent written on Virat character good but execution is written very badly. I rarely double down & wont this time but I need to explain why Im lets say ... hesitant. Pls understand my intention being on here for some time is not like those annoying people who must be proven right or have last word.

If I think about your response. I would agree only if we speak in the context of this plot & place in the show. However I cant ignore Virat history & easily manipulate personality. Pls see response @Pyaarasam to this point in blue. If she says NO, Virat will not lose hope until NO becomes a YES (Bhavani Aai matters to him).

What am I saying? Amu is inviting familiarity when Babita shows no remorse .1 may say Amu is not aware of babita still planning... Amu knows enough on Babita character to be more cautious trying to fix relationship with Virat & Babita. Bhavani matters to him but tomorrow Bebe can start same manipulation like Babita has done so Bebe & Babita can be in almost same good terms with virat before exposure. Should this occur Bhavani wont matter to Virat. His view towards Bhavani will change ignoring his family dirty morals... hes done it once so I'm not speaking out of nowhere to be hesitant... forgive but not forget else you are the fool who should have learned.

@Pyaarasam said he will fight for their love ( This para is my strong view aimed at writer logic not aimed at @Pyaarasam) There is little point considering his past behavior making Bhavani target of making things right. Virat must start by explaining what terms he wants to be with Babita post exposure. This is going to sound harsh but I cant accept putting so much responsibility on ppl of morals like Bhavani... hold Babita to account 1st. In my view Bhavani & Amu should demand this as a condition of Virat requests. IDK if I make sense- maybe @Adiandsid can advise further.

Originally posted by: nilmi

I never check her IG... Only because of you did I go there to see those 'turu love' comments, and accidentally noticed she had a script in her hand.

Then I tried to read... I don’t think the villains will win this time because this track is running during the festive season. I wonder who is going to be trapped this time...Rajiv, Babs, or X?

Red: My reaction after reading this

Bold: So which I learn that Virat will rescue Amruta but Nimrit will be stuck with villain gang. So maybe their plan is to frame Amruta about Nimrit's kidnap though I just assume it. Maybe like mela time, now also evidence will be against Amruta but this time most probably Virat will believe Amruta and maybe here he will connect the dots and will be certain that his mother is behind all these plan. And if they will not frame Amruta for kidnapping matter then high chance is they will directly frame Babita. Now seem like separation will not happen between AmVira, guessed from yesterday episode because that good bye between them didn't look like last good bye. And high chance is this time Virat will leave Ahuja house and will stay at Jahan's place where he will give test examination taken by Vandana and Bhavani especially Vandana. Because first the trp is not good,time change and now if they will show separation, Virat's trust to his family, aggressive behaviour with Amruta, can't work good at all. Now a days what we think, happen the opposite. So Virat will do blunder with Amruta, will not happen. This time he will be in Amruta's side and I hope so.

Feel Amruta or Nimrit will blame Babita in some context after rescue from Rajeev is done, Virat will easily believe them, but some evidences later on prove to family that Babita is innocent in that context, which will make Virat slowly lose trust in Amu or Nimmi against his mom's doings in her future kaands where she will play innocent. this seems to be way for Babs to get back to family good books soon, where as Amu or Bhavani won't trust Babs at all.

Originally posted by: nilmi

I never check her IG... Only because of you did I go there to see those 'turu love' comments, and accidentally noticed she had a script in her hand.

Then I tried to read... I don’t think the villains will win this time because this track is running during the festive season. I wonder who is going to be trapped this time...Rajiv, Babs, or X?

Took an ss too and could read some 80-90% of what was written (in the last para)... Other than confusing English and bad grammar, which made me wonder 'cant they write in Hinglish?', couldn't understand much of what is going on. Seems like Nimmi tries to shout but someone (ex) covers her mouth. There is Ammu coming in somewhere too. Virat perhaps enters at the end and they are asking the director / whoever to consider if ex should be shown 'shocked'.

Originally posted by: Pyaarasam

I support V for the only reason Arjit is behind it and is doing fab (his best role ever). However, if another average actor did it, not many would accept him. And his character is so badly written that you can't appreciate it. I agree with you! The same goes with Ammu. It's simple we all are following this show for the lead and not for its story anymore.

Underline Italian: Same. I like Virat character only because of Arjit

Bold: Sorry dear but can't agree with it. For me Arjit's best role is Azaan Akhtar Mirzafrom Bahu Begum( this serial is something else for me, his character was so powerful, the house was so expensive, dresses were so expensive, swimming pool was my favourite one too, His bonding with his mom{his mom was Simone Singh who played Shakshi Goenka in Ek Hasina Thi}, his nok jhok friendship with his childhood bff Noor, His nok jhok love story with Shayra, the triangle love story between Noor-Azaan-Shayra[some similarities with Kuch Kuch Hota Hai], all these were outstanding, but unfortunately covid's arrival, they forcefully shut down the serial without giving closure and many of we fans of that serial still hope for season 2 as it deserves to come back with season 2 because after Azaan and Shayra's nikah happened,many circumstances happen and at one point it was proved that Shayra is death though her face was not shown and Azaan blamed Noor for Shayra's death as she loves Azaan too much even more than Shayra so she killed her out of jealousy but then their mu cleared and Azaan slowly fall for Noor and their nikah too happened but lastly Shayra come back in Akhtar mansion and then show goes off air with incompleteness) , then Purab ( especially for my RaBul/ ArNal reason), then Shambu from Nath serial, then Farishta from Naagin 5&6, then Vivan from Kaleerein and then I will say VSA.

Red: All of us watching this useless serial only for leads and that's why MD with her hard working team take advantage of them and showing us rubbish as they know even if we complain we will see

Originally posted by: sugz

Yes its me in defense of my Vandy again. I agree already while you stare at this screen my defense is getting annoyed. There has been abit of critism of Vandy. I agree our expectations were high & its only natural to have more attention on Vandy being new character. Aaji vibes I respect your opinion... Can it be worse than Babita or bebe or poem vibes which are constant irritation on screen?

Whilst we not sure if vandy is a villian or lengths she will go for Amu. Humble request is not lose sight in worsening of villians behavior & depictions lowering morals shown. What am I saying? Today for example we comment on vandy but didn't immediately see babita psycho behaviour in hug virat after chandelier when she knew the plan. We picked it up but after critism of Vandy. Morality we dont discuss in virat trying to get in hospital but we need to question this bias to villians again giving them upper hand. Virat cant get in hospital but Rajiv can easily move in & out as prisoner proven to endanger women.

Ok candy is too sweet . Hope we dont aim too much critism at vandy having high expectations... losing sight in worsening morals of real villians yet too harsh to a maybe vilian like Vandy with some moral compass

Oh.. so it was for defending Candy.

About the scene - I didn't read much into it either. Other than, he danced with Jahan so that they can have Vandy say that. Go a bit deeper into the character... and perhaps we can say Virat would want to dance with Ammu... but guess she wasn't dancing yet. So he went to the next safest person - Jahan. Don't know if Harsh was dancing, he could've gone to him too.

Regarding the criticisms... they will come about. And most of the time it will be about how the writers choose to have that character behave. When Aaji was introduced, she was quite direct too... and @flutterby liked that part too cause she was having a go at the villains when Ammu and co weren't. Its a similar thing they are going for here too. But they didn't do anything good with Aaji in the end... made her quite lame.

I find both Jahan and Vandy taking extreme views... and I find their arguments irritating now, because of the repetition... is it now 6 scenes already? There is some hope for me since Bhavani hasn't spoken yet... and I hope when she speaks it will be sensible.